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Swamp Gas
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Isrealis destroy zoo
 Sat May 22, 2004 4:45 pm
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Crap rolls downhill (Sharon, Bush, and Blair) and mindless robots who back these monsters, are also responsible for all the atrocities commited in fighting "terrorism". Yes, terrorist birds, foxes, goats, and monkeys. It is an excuse for genocide and racsim. Is this any different than " in-breed hillbillies" stomping, raping, and murdering Arabs, innocent or otherwise?
There are two sayings:
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You can judge a culture on how it treats it's prisinors
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You can judge a society on how it treats animals
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=523723
Tension rises as bulldozers tear down zoo in Rafah
By Donald Macintyre in Rafah
22 May 2004
With a parrot that had escaped the Israelis perched on his shoulder, and a kangaroo crouching in the corner of the room, Mohammed Juma contemplated the little that was left of the zoo he had spent five years creating. "This was my life," he declared. "I watched my dream being destroyed."
The first bulldozer, he said, had come, escorted by a tank, at 2am on Thursday morning. Between then and when Israeli soldiers left the zoo at dawn yesterday, he had watched as the army killed birds and animals, uprooted shrubs, trees and grass, destroyed pens and cages, and then dumped much of the debris and wreckage into the zoo's swimming pool.
The despoliation of the zoo at the Brazil refugee camp may seem insignificant after 41 Palestinian deaths in Rafah this week and the trail of destruction left by the Israelis elsewhere in the Al Salaam and Brazil camps - the Israelis demolished an estimated 43 homes in Brazil, reducing them to rubble still awaiting clearance yesterday - but it is a potent symbol of the much wider havoc wrought in the two camps and a third, Tel Sultan, since the Rafah incursion began on Monday.
The zoo, the only one in the Gaza Strip, was perhaps the only attraction for children in a town almost entirely without public amenities. Admission cost just one shekel - about 12p. The destruction betrayed a wantonness that went beyond anything that could be deemed militarily necessary to hunt down militants or find tunnels used to smuggle explosives. Although soldiers commandeered the top floor of one of the three buildings for sniper positions, it was much more difficult to explain the damage to the harmless recreation space below their vantage point.
Mr Juma insisted that he had watched with his own eyes as the Israeli bulldozer drivers broke into a cage containing 40-45 Macaw parrots and put them into the cabin of one of the bulldozers before taking them away. "It looked as though the drivers knew about animals," he said.
According to Mr Juma, 40, the Army also released some 80 animals, including monkeys, a fox, a non-poisonous snake and - adding yet another danger to those already faced by the residents of the Brazil camp - seven jaguars. Mr Juma held a sickly looking raccoon in his arms, betraying a deep gash under its hind legs, and pointed to a long row of feathers on the ground indicating a dead ostrich buried beneath the debris.
The Israeli Army claimed last night that it had been forced to pass through the zoo because explosive devices had been planted in the roads and that it had made "every effort not to harm any of the animals". But Mr Juma said: "I believe they planned to do this. I can't call the Israelis animals because animals are beautiful."
Despite the partial withdrawal from the Brazil camp yesterday, the Israelis made it clear that the operation would continue. Some tanks remained in the camp as a funeral procession followed the bodies of four militants killed by Israeli forces in the past 24 hours, including Khaled Abu Maza, head of Hamas's military wing in Rafah. Abu Maza was killed by a missile targeted at him while he was in the Al Salaam camp.
But in the absence of any new finds of tunnelling, Gideon Ezra, a Likud government minister, said that the operation would rely increasingly on intelligence, while a senior Army officer was quoted by Israeli media as saying that Palestinians in Rafah would not yet be able to "rest easy".
Residents in the Brazil camp talked angrily of homes destroyed by bulldozers, despite earlier denials by the army that this was happening.
The army destroyed a one-and-a-half acre olive grove in the centre of the camp, uprooting its 300 trees and the home of the owner's father, Suleman Qishta, 95. The owner, Mehidan Qishta, said that a bulldozer had pushed through the wall as his father lay on his bed. Debris which had crashed down on the bed was still visible yesterday, as were cuts and bruises on the old man's arms and legs. "I heard my father screaming after the bulldozer came," said Mr Qishta. "I thought he was dying."
Shakria Khamis, 60, tried to stay in her house even after a bulldozer pushed through a wall. Her daughter, Iktimal Awad, 35, said: "My mother was shouting, 'I don't want to leave'." She was forced to flee as masonry continued to fall.
Ms Awad's sister, Menal, who works at a health centre in Gaza, said she had lost many souvenirs. She said: "A human being is worth more than these items, but my memories of this house are unforgettable."
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Sun May 23, 2004 1:49 am
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This is an absolute disgrace ...and the SICK part is we support these monsters??? When is ole BushyBones and SideKick Dick going to declare the Israelis as terrorists? Oops, silly me, then we would be considered terrorists too.
Arg. I'm sooo sick of this crap.
We need to take back our country.
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Swamp Gas
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Sun May 23, 2004 2:15 am
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quote:
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We need to take back our country.
You got that right! NOW...NOT LATER!
But, you can't critisize Israel's policies, lest you be a called an anti-Semite.
I guess Jews who detest Sharon and his policies are anti-Semites then.
Just like us Americans who critisize Bush "Terists" or "Un-Murkin".
The Axis of Evil is Sharon, Blair, and Bush, and with "Shemp" John Howard of Australia.
Blair is Toast. Bush has to stage an attack or a Diebold-coup, Sharon is up to his fat ass in scandels, and Howard sounds like he is finished.
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Sun May 23, 2004 2:21 am
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Swedishoo
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Sun May 23, 2004 2:28 am
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Hmm, maybe there's a change of "order" going on?
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Swamp Gas
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Sun May 23, 2004 2:30 am
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quote:
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Hmm, maybe there's a change of "order" going on?
Or in those people's case, "A change of Odor"
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Swedishoo
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Sun May 23, 2004 3:22 am
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But, you can't critisize Israel's policies, lest you be a called an anti-Semite
I'm of the Christian faith and this is what makes me angry: We have been brainwashed through the church to believe that blessed is who loves the Jew...the Jew, our brothers... anti-semitism is a no no...etc etc. BUT, Islam is semtic too!! So, what's the deal here?
Christy
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Swamp Gas
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Sun May 23, 2004 4:01 am
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This is exactly why I see Jesus as more of a Pagan/Peacenik, than a sorrowful figure on a cross. This is my opinion, but society is taught to see Jesus as tormented, rather than one of the original Hippies. I relate to the Essene Gnostic image, ratherthan the Biblical. The Dead Sea Scrolls. I don't really care what your belief or Operating System is, as long as you are logical and compassionate. Otherwise, like Bush, you can use people to get votes, simply by stating your are born again, rather than putting your beliefs in action, and being a True Being of Light.
I believe Jesus would want all of us to realize our own heart-felt potential as unique individuals.
So to me, true Christians are ones that see Jesus as a living, breathing person, who taught peace in a time of war (Rome). it is like being a peace advocate now. You are labeled as "un-American", if you believe in the True Message of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, even Mohammed., Einstein, Tim Leary, Socrates, John Lennon, and countless other humanitarians. Weall are targets for being nailed to a cross when we advocate peace in hostile times.
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Swedishoo
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Sun May 23, 2004 4:43 am
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There is this level of fear that churches have pertaining to the government. I don't know, maybe in fear of getting on their bad side and being shut-down, or having to pay taxes...something. I've been to many different denominations and when it comes to governmental issues, they side with them regardless of who's in office. No waves. Recently, I was out of town and at a service that read prayers that were written by the congregation. The minister claimed that every week he reads every prayer request outloud, no matter how long the service takes. So I wrote down that I wanted them to pray for the people in Iraq. My request was overlooked. Sigh.
Christy
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Swamp Gas
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Sun May 23, 2004 5:53 am
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Jefferson had the insight to see that Church and State should be separated. Now we have governments using religion and religions taking partisan sides.
Our society in America is turning into a combination of Fascism and Communism, not a Democratic Socialist Republic, the latter of which in my opinion, is ideal. In Comminism, the state is all. You have not as much incividuality. Facism always starts out as capitalism, and devolves into a polar oppsosite of communism, when in essence, they are the same.
Also the polarity of Perversion and Prudity are pulling the country apart, which manifests in the Liberal vs Conservative dichotomy. Perople take sides. One will say everything goes with no bars..Anarchy...and the other wants restraints on everything.. Fascism.
When the Church takes politcial sides, as in the case of your Pastor not wanting to pray for Iraqis, you are witnessing the further dissolving of church through dogma.
Now this is my opinion, and not meant to offend, but I believe there comes a time in everyone's life when they break out of the chains the church, and becomes closer to the essence, and finds Jesus, God, Goddess, The Universe, Love, Wonder, and Laughter, in everything, and thus the name of one is "the Church of Life". I don't usually like any strict category, but that one is a nice name. I also like the goofy and prophetic, Church of The Subgenius, or Church of Bob.
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Swamp Gas
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Sun May 23, 2004 5:58 am
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This is why Jefferson had the insight to see that Church and State should be separated. Now we have governments using religion and religions taking parisan sides.
Our society in America is turning into a combination of Fascism and Communism, not a Democratic Socialist Republic, the latter of which in my opinion, is ideal. In Comminism, the state is all. You have not as much incividuality. Facism always starts out as capitalism, and devolves into a polar oppsosite of communism, when in essence, they are the same.
Also the polarity of Perversion and Prudity are pulling the country apart, which manifests in the Liberal vs Conservative dichotomy. Perople take sides. One will say everything goes with no bars..Anarchy...and the other wants restraints on everything.. Fascism.
When the Church takes politcial sides, as in the case of your Pastor not wanting to pray for Iraqis, you are witnessing the further dissolving of church dogma.
Now this is my opinion, but I believe there comes a time in everyone's life when they break out of the chains the church, and becomes closer to the essence, and finds Jesus, God, Goddess, The Universe, Love, Wonder, and Laughter, in everything, and thus the name of one is "the Church of Life". I don't usually like any strict category, but that one is a nice name. I also like the goofy and prophetic, Church of The Subgenius, or Church of Bob. But I do like the fact that Church gatherings are social events. That is a good thing.
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Swedishoo
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Sun May 23, 2004 6:01 pm
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Jefferson had the insight to see that Church and State should be separated. Now we have governments using religion and religions taking partisan sides.
Even though "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" as written in our First Amendment, they have manipulated and discovered other ways to enforce state constraints with the use of fear, tax incentves, and twisting Jefferson's words.
It drives me crazy when I hear people quote Jefferson's "seperation of church and state" statement. This is one of the phrases that have perverted our viewpoints of freedom of religion. Over the past couple of decades we've been duped into believing that this play-on-words, creating an entirely different meaning today, is part of the Consitution, when actually is it not, however it is the basis of the First Amendment. The First Amendment is clearly defined into law. Seperation of Church and State does not mean keep the Church and the State seperate, it means that Congress cannot intervene or control the church or tell the people how to believe.
The state controlling our public schools under the "seperation of church and state" mind-set is ingenious. Should teachers teach children their religion in the classroom, no. Should children be allowed to say the morning pledge with One Nation Under God, or have religious themes at Christmas, absolutley. Why? Because the state cannot tell anyone, anywhere, under any roof, even if "funded" by the government, how to conduct a religious based situation. Period.
It's scary to think that almost 3/4 of this nation has no clue what their Constitutional Rights are, or what they mean. And we wonder why the government can do whatever they damn well please and get away with it.
Christy
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Swamp Gas
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Sun May 23, 2004 6:11 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Swedishoo:
[B] Even though [b]The state controlling our public schools under the "seperation of church and state" mind-set is ingenious. Should teachers teach children their religion in the classroom, no. Should children be allowed to say the morning pledge with One Nation Under God, or have religious themes at Christmas, absolutley. Why? Because the state cannot tell anyone, anywhere, under any roof, even if "funded" by the government, how to conduct a religious based situation. Period.
Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, and Pagans shouldn't have to pay taxes for Public Schools using the word "God", and having Christian prayers. This is the reason behind separation of Church and State. To prevent a King George situation where religion is dictated to people that have no desire to be told what is the correct diety to believe in. Religion is too easy to control is another reason. We must remember, it is not what one believes is important, it is the beliefs put into action that counts, be it Pagan or Christian, destructive or constructive, logical or irrational, compassionate or sadistic.
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Swedishoo
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Sun May 23, 2004 7:25 pm
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Yikes, I do believe you missed the point. The seperation of church and state the way you are implying it, does not exist. However lawmakers and the state have been trying to enforce it. It does not hold water because it is a statement that is not clearly defined nor coincides with the First Admendment.
"Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, and Pagans shouldn't have to pay taxes for Public Schools using the word "God", and having Christian prayers"
This is a rediculous comment because they pay taxes for their education and has nothing to do with someone saying a prayer at graduation or an assembly once or twice a year. It's not about taking away, it's about adding to. Our Constitution ensures our religious expression, which includes Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, and Pagans. If someone of these faiths want to add their comments, then they have every right to do so. The point is, the government can't tell them that they can't.
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Swamp Gas
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Sun May 23, 2004 8:24 pm
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No point missed! I don't follow the Bible and do not want a public school system to force a particular belief system on people.
But what protects Pagans and atheists from over-zealous education systems that believe their belief system is only one way to see the universe.
For instance, I'm hearing principle's in schools warning and in some cases, suspending students who draw anti-Bush artwork, or write anti-war poetry. Who should come into defend such people, the ACLU, or should laws be intact to protect those that do not wish to belief in a sky god or The Bible or War?
And what about Satanists? Should they be allowed to sacrifice animals after class? Religion belongs in your own mind and in places where you choose with people that believe the same. It does not belong in public funded areas, such as schools and municiple buildings.
If one wants to have an after class Prayer Class or Pagan Flute Playing class, I have no problem. As long as you pay for it yourself, and I don't pay for any of it. This is my Libertarian Side. You want something, you pay for it, be it war, Prayers, public transportation, solar power, and fixing roads. You have children that you want to be Christians or Pagans, you teach them yourself, or choose a church, synagogue, or temple of your choice.
It is strange, Conservative Christians do not want to pay for the National Endowmnet for the Arts, yet want everyone to pay for prayer in schools, which comes down to time = money.
AS witnessed by MAd Muslims and Crazker Fundamentalis Christians, religion and politics DO NOT mix.
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