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Terror warning surprises Homeland Security Dept.
 Fri May 28, 2004 4:00 pm
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This shows us one of two things,1}The sharing of info between depts.still isn't happening,2}Herr Ashcroft and Herr Mueller are in the loop for the next (9-11}and Tom-I Got Your Back -Ridge is being left out in th cold,3}Just making sure those of us not yet scared of the Bogie man,are reminded to get scared or at least start worrying.I know, I said two things.
By Thomas Frank
Washington Bureau
May 28, 2004
WASHINGTON -- The Homeland Security Department was surprised by the announcement Wednesday by Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller that a terrorist attack was increasingly likely in the coming months, officials said.
The department, created a year after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, is charged with issuing terrorism warnings to the public, and tension arose when Ashcroft and Mueller effectively took over that role at a news conference Wednesday when they said al-Qaida is preparing an attack inside the United States.
Officials said the Homeland Security Department knew in advance about the news conference but expected it to focus on seven suspects with ties to al-Qaida who were wanted for arrest or questioning. Department officials were caught off guard when Ashcroft went further and warned that al-Qaida "is ready to attack the United States."
The news conference, which excluded Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, raised concerns in Washington that his department was not coordinating the domestic fight against terrorism, which was confusing the message for the public and for local authorities.
Earlier on Wednesday, Ridge spoke on morning television shows and appeared to downplay the threat that Ashcroft would later trumpet, officials said. He told ABC's "Good Morning America" that the threats are "not the most disturbing that I have personally seen during the past couple of years."
Lawmakers who oversee the Homeland Security Department said the events Wednesday appeared to undermine the effort to unify the federal government's response to terrorism threats.
"The reason that Congress created the Department of Homeland Security is that we need to merge the various parts of government responsible for pieces of the war on terrorism into one coordinated effort," said Rep. Christopher Cox (R-Calif.), chairman of the homeland security committee.
Cox said it was "regrettable" that Ridge did not appear with Ashcroft and Mueller "because their separate public appearances conveyed the impression that the broad and close interagency consultation we expect ... may not have taken place in this case." He noted that the 2002 law creating the department puts the secretary in charge of issuing "public advisories relating to threats to homeland security."
Just one week ago, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge had told the Sept. 11 commission at a hearing in Manhattan that his department "has made widespread information sharing the hallmark of our new approach to homeland security." Ridge added that his department was sharing information with local authorities, private officials and the public through bulletins, alerts and a new Homeland Security Information Network.
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Sat May 29, 2004 1:36 am
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Well, another possibility of course,
is that Ridge knew and knows (acting surprised) like many others that as the so called "conspiracy theorists" have said for months, to expect a preelection "terrorist attack" not by Arabs who would have a lot to LOSE by such an attack, but by those who stand to gain by keeping the war money flowing, the "handover" from occurring and a way to try and keep their people in power. And possibly seriously enough (say 5 or 6 of those "missing" suitcase nukes) to get the American people "back on track" as to the need for The Empire to *reach out* and "preemtively" crush any "future threats" that might occur. In other words, to start sucking our citizens into a war that "never ends" against a shadowy "enemy" ever impossible to fully capture. Sounds like a perfect recipe to bleed the treasury dry while assuming Caesar like power. Almost like it would be easier if one was dictator. Mmmmm.
I am really expecting about anything from these people. Literally anything, literally no price to high, to secure the Fourth and Final 1000 year Reich. Why as an American, other than having some "morals" about killing innocents for profit,might I be against this attempt. Because I believe it is impossible. Not without a HUGE massive loss of life and liberty. HUGE. What stakes really does Chaney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. have in blood spilled on the battlefield really? Have they ever been there? Are they apt to lose close relatives? Do they think this 'war" is so important that they would gladly enlist there services or THEIR loved ones to defend the "Security of The People" like our Founding Fathers did? The U.S. and all those who join with it are SMART enough to find ways of averting any economic "collapse" due to our energy/environmental/ economic "problems" (that have gone on too long) if they REALLY want to. We don't need to murder 10,000's more mostly women and kids so that we can continue to drive 12 mile per gallon houses on wheels. And kill hundreds possibly 1000's more of our own fighting over access to resources. Let's start getting our Fuel house in order and throw those out of office, who would trade human life for oil profits. And lie all the way to the bank.
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Sat May 29, 2004 3:01 am
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These guys got the copyright to "cook the books" They have more money than God.This is about power tripping.Nothing like a bunch of Satanic SOB's being on power trip. We all have to hope and pray that Bush Senior has incarcerated or murdered all those that may have an ax to grind.Lets also pray that Monkeyboy becomes born again. |
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Sat May 29, 2004 5:22 am
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I saw a nightly news segment on the distribution of the Homeland Security dollars. They reported that the giant energy corporations had received the vast proportion of Homeland Security dollars for their personal corporate security. It was suggested that with all their billions, they could have paid for their own security. Their comment was that the public benefitted from their security improvements. |
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Sat May 29, 2004 5:32 am
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Was that before or after the rate increase.Heaven forbid they use one dollar of their own stolen fortune.Keep raping ,pilaging, and plundering us peasants.Thank you masssa for letting us work your land and being permitted to live and pay taxes.Ain't nothing changed much since the Magna Carta,or before that...I don't know about everyone else but, golly-gee ,I do feel more secure now.
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Sat May 29, 2004 1:25 pm
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It will be interesting to see, should these "attacks" occur, and the Machine tries to respond by taking it out on the Rights of The People, how communities will respond.
I was very encouraged to see hundreds of communities and localities vote measures AGAINST the so called "p"atriot ACT. That in my opinion shows a BIT of TRUE Democracy and what Conservatives CLAIM to often support LOCAL CONTROL, though THIS administration wants TOTAL CONTROL!
I am very encouraged their are still TRULY caring and Patriotic people that don't want America to end up looking like Israel, with walls, and troops on the streets, and murder and destruction becoming a way of life. Even if OPPORTUNISTS try and use any potential "attacks" to further seize power, and even with the aid of the reportedly wicked "p"atriot ACT II, I am convinced changing America into to Ashcroft's much desired Police State, is NOT going to be easy.
I see now why Ashcroft had wanted to build more "concentration camps", as I think the N-E-O CONS know that as the push for Empire expansion and resource consolidation (globalization) goes forth and people die in large numbers as a result their is going to be a MASSIVE number of poeple who are not going to accept this NEEDLESS slaughter. And as The Machine (under Bush OR Kerry now it seems) becomes a giant sucking orifice, feeding on our tax dollars and loved ones MORE AND MORE AND MORE people are going to become ANGRY. Most of the people I know want PEACE AND PROSPERITY. Not more War and RUIN. It is only that this 'war' hasn't yet reached the 'back yard' of most people that critical mass hasn't yet been achieved. But just wait. MOST people DON'T want another Vietnam or worse WWIII. However I think the N-E-O CONS would be perfectly happy starting WWIII.
Kerry has been absolutely disapointing in his feeble efforts at showing he doesn't want to continue this WARMONGERING path. He was said to be looking for the right message. How about PEACE and PROSPERITY? Isn't that all that most people really want? How hard can it be?
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Sat May 29, 2004 5:05 pm
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If Herr Ashcroft and the Monkey Fuhrer would just take their Prozac maybe just maybe we'd have half a chance. |
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Sat May 29, 2004 6:54 pm
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Want to understand what's really happening and why?
http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984
The handbook of the Bush Administration.
Wag the Dog
" ... Levinson's ``Wag the Dog'' cites Grenada as an example of how easy it is to whip up patriotic frenzy, and how dubious the motives sometimes are." www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/1998/01/010201.html
The probability of any "terrorist" act is in direct proportion to the need to raise Bush's approval rating.
problem-
Actual count of all Florida 2000 votes set to be released on 9/11/01.
solution-
Wag the Gulf II begins with a massive diversion of the public's attention.
(the magician does a flourish with one hand while he does the trick with the other hand)
problem-
Congress balks at giving Bush dictatorial powers.
solution-
Anthrax scare. Cops and military swarm the Capital while lawmakers vote yes of no on a bill they haven't even been able to read. http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DOCNAC9.htm
deja-vu?
Before each "terrorist" incident;
There was media criticism of Bush.
Afterward, the media was cowed into mere recitations of spoon-fed propaganda.
Just how rightwing is the bush administration?
Who are their respected philosophers?
quote:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
>in the vein of the apocryphal Julius Caesar warning about political leaders who can all too easily send the citizenry marching eagerly off to war by manufacturing crises that purportedly threaten national security and making popular appeals to patriotism.<
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Sat May 29, 2004 8:58 pm
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Just how rightwing is the bush administration?
They make Adolph Hitler look like June Cleaver. |
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Mon May 31, 2004 5:01 am
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On today (May 30, 2004) Mclaughlin Report
FOX (FAUX)10 hereabouts;
John McLaughlin said the Atty General issuing a terror warning that was news to Tom Ridge was:
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"Changing the news focus."
and further that it seemed an example of: "CYA"
(translation: Even the radical right knows Bushies fabricate 'terror' events to distract and disinform.)
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Mon May 31, 2004 5:34 am
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shatoga Wasn't there a movie version of 1984? If so, it needs to be released again. |
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Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:01 am
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Actually there are 2 editions of 1984 as a movie.
One was made in the fifties and is in Black and white.
The other one I believe was made in the late 70s or early 80s staring John Hurt as Winston Smith.
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Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:36 am
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Orwell's 1984 was REQUIRED reading back a 'few' years ago when I was in high school. I think it was meant to be a tool back then to teach the horrors of *Soviet* totalitarianism to U.S. students and I can distinctly remember we were made to feel we 'Would never want to live like that'. Funny how times change or really how they are made to "appear" to.
Now it appears to me Orwell's classic "1984" has *somehow* been banned from our regional library. I won't go throught the long drawn out story of how for the last seveal years I have NEVER once been able to find a copy actually on the shelf or showing as available. None of the six copies the library is supposed to have or any of the surrounding libraries have the book are ever "in"- EVER- that I have found in YEARS. However, when one asks to see if they can get a copy somehow one is eventually obtained. The library folks are "not allowed" to talk about when a book was checked out according to them, and there seems to be a bit of a "mystery" as to why the book is never in other than it's alleged HUGE popularity which I came to learn from one honest librarian wasn;t the cause of the book never available. perhasp it's just a bit of 'paranoia" and nothing to do with the fact that the world Orwell warns us about is starting to look like our downtown locally and sound like our government nationally.
I recall when I FINALLY recieved notice that a copy I requested had come in that when I went to check it out Orwell's *Big Brother* cameras were watching me. How ironic I thought. And I'm probably on some list now Ashcroft and his Bill of Rights hating friends have for people that read books like 1984 and post on websites like CTC.
Oh well, at least I'm in good company...
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