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Just Keep Sniffing Your Gas Tank Seeker

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Sore Throat





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Just Keep Sniffing Your Gas Tank Seeker PostSun Oct 08, 2000 6:15 pm  Reply with quote  

Why would they persist in promoting a BAD idea for serveral years AFTER they become aware of the health consequences?

What planet are you on seeker?

Ever heard of MTBE? Still in our gas. And virtually no one doubts that it shouldn't be. But guess what? A lot of "experts" made a SERIOUS mistake...

...and we know how the government deals with making such mistakes...

...deny, coverup, delay, obfuscate.

Meanwhile the profiteers continue to profit. (It cost billions to put it into our gas, it will cost billions to take it out...we pay big $$$$$$$). Check out corporate profits for ANY of the major oil companies.

You know seeker, you really show head those warning and keep a safe distance when you're refueling your car.

But the issue really was EDB in jet fuel.

I'll follow up on the next post, but do YOU have any references on this?


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Sore Throat





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PostSun Oct 08, 2000 6:16 pm  Reply with quote  

My mistake... this is tied to the Colonel Ed White & Elvis post.

Returning to that thread.
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PostMon Oct 09, 2000 6:02 am  Reply with quote  

Sorethroat, I was the first to post the MTBE issue on carns bored)sp) It is a very quantifiable problem. Manteca has recently closed down wells for many people due to it being found in ground water! Where is any documentation regarding your special interests, proving their existence? I continue to fight the MTBE battle. What do you do, but waste time battling with the inconsistancies of a rumor? You are a victim of a paranoid, unbased, and unverifiable set of stories. Prove otherwise, or just touch your toes, just to know they are real, and where they contact the earth. Want scary persistant cloud photos? Go to some of the huge used book stores and look under the meteorology section, and SEE pix from long ago. Alan Watts, wrote Instant Weather Forcasting, in 1968. (not Leary or Huxleys' friend). Also wrote a book for sailing fans. Dig.
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Sore Throat





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PostMon Oct 09, 2000 6:25 am  Reply with quote  

So with your aviation contact Goldrush, what's your knowledge of EDB in jet fuel?

Present or not?

My understanding was that EDB was an additive of aviation GASOLINE, but not jet fuel (kerosine). There is a conflict in the references that are available from the web.

JP-8 100 is supposed to be a "safer" fuel which has additives which make it less flammable. Can you imagine that these additives are responsible for increased contrail persistence? And that if they were halogenated hydrocarbons that they perhaps could have the same detrimental effect on the ozone layer as does freon, halon and the like?

Are you aware that the ozone hole in Antarctica this year is greatest depletion yet recorded?
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PostMon Oct 09, 2000 7:28 am  Reply with quote  

From christy's board on the ozone hole ,look before you leap Throat, jp-8+100 info below :

RE: What a Ozone Hole
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Alcor writes:
I got a kick out of looking at their "map" also. Did you note that the yellow areas on the fringes of the blue "hole" are areas of high concentration?

When they collected all this data it was Winter in the Southern hemisphere and the pole is tilted away from the Sun; no sunlight, no ozone production.

The yellow areas are far enough North to have enough sun to get ozone production at a reasonably high level.

If anything all this indicates is a climate change due perhaps to multiple factors, possible increased axial tilt also.

Be interesting to see if we have a hard winter this year in the Northern hemisphere.

Al
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JP-8+100

Fuel Additives Generate Big Gains For Florida Cops

by Jim Mathews, email jmathews@mcgraw-hill.com

Tampa, Fla., and Hillsborough County, Fla., police and sheriffs testing fuel enhanced with an Air Force-developed additive saw ten-fold improvements in cleaning intervals for their helicopter engines during the test period at a cost of only $800 a year, a boon that's now got the attention of law enforcement agencies across the U.S.

It was the first time the additive, which cost the agencies some four cents a gallon, was used outside the military. Buoyed by the success of the seven-month Florida test, as well as a field demonstration with the Oregon National Guard, top Fuels Branch managers with the Air Force Research Laboratory's Propulsion Directorate at Wright Patterson AFB, Ohio, are briefing regional and national chapters of the Airborne Law Enforcement Associations to see whether other metropolitan police departments might adopt the additive.

The AF fuel is known as JP-8+100, which grew out of late 1980s efforts to make JP-8 more stable at high temperatures. AF scientists came up with an additive that allowed the fuel to be heated another 100 degrees while retaining its stability and performance characteristics - hence the "plus 100" designation.

Typically, higher temperatures boost the likelihood of coke deposits forming inside engines, and it's these deposits - along with other fuel breakdown products, gums and varnishes - that sicken engines and force premature maintenance.

Field tests involving both the Tampa Police Dept. Aviation Unit and the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office aviation units, which use the same airfield and fly Allison T63-A-720 turboshafts, revealed that using the same +100 additive in the helicopters' Jet-A - a nearly identical fuel to JP-8 - dramatically reduced coking in the engines, taking a big bite out of time spent inspecting and cleaning the engines.

Law enforcement aviators began the tests with a three-month baseline period, during which AF technicians inspected the engines visually and using video borescopes to get a good idea of how the engines hold up in everyday use. Then they flew for seven months using the additive, accumulating more than 900 hours using the Jet-A+100, and technicians found reduced coke deposits and less soot inside the engines.

Evaluators saw the most impressive results, AF officials say, on the face of the turboshafts' fuel nozzles. Before using the additive, mechanics had to clean the nozzles every 10 to 20 flight hours to keep the engines running at their best; with the additive, that interval stretched anywhere from 70 hours to 200 hours.




The AF notes that the additive not only eases maintenance burdens, but boosts safety because it raises the fuel's conductivity. Conductivity measures the rate at which fuel discharges static electricity, so the increase means there's less chance of fire or explosion if static electricity is discharged while the aircraft is fueled.


AF research managers are still trying to decide whether a related effort - extending JP-8 fuel's freeze point - will have enough payoffs to go forward. Researchers hope the work would help make high-flying U-2 missions more affordable, while also making a greater range of grades of petroleum available for airline use, cutting the airlines' fuel bills.

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