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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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More on boards and donations.
 Wed Oct 03, 2001 4:32 pm
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From a post on this board last year, regarding Lorie Kramer's request for donations to "collect chemtrails in situ":
"An account is being set up to recieve any and all donations of any size toward this effort. If, after a period of 6 months from today (3/7/01) we have not aquired the necessary funding, then each and every penny will be returned to the sender. Every penny received will be reported here."
Regarding the acceptance of such an enterprise, from another post on this board:
"...and there is no issue on trust. Lorie, Kim and Cliff are all sincere and hard-working in this issue."
And here is a rationale, also from this board, that seems to justify the fact that the keeper of the chemtrail funds spent the donations on a personal item, e.g., a computer monitor:
"Lo[rie Kramer] worked hard, spent much money on film, traveling to do shows and go to Ohio and such."
Here is another colleague from this board, apparently upset at what Ms. Kramer did:
"...she took money from a fund that supposedly exists...the original parameters I'm sure did not cover extranious items such as a monitor...when I donate money for a cause, I expect it to be used for that purpose."
And Mr. chem11's response to the post above:
"...now, what someone does with their own money is pretty much up to them. That's not the issue, regardless."
Mr. Chem11, I agree that it is not the issue. What the issue really seems to be is that it is acceptable for someone to take money for one reason and use it for another - if you happen to agree with that person's beliefs about chemtrails.
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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Thermit
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Wed Oct 03, 2001 5:14 pm
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Duncan,
I know that you wouldn't want yourself to be mislead by those whose job it is, self-appointed or otherwise, to cast anyone active in this issue in a negative light, so I will offer this...
My understanding of what happened, from just reading the public posts at CTTUSA, is that Lorie was in contact with Diane at a time in which Lorie's monitor had just died, leaving her effectively offline. Diane requested that her previous donations to the Fund be taken out of the Fund. Certainly within her rights. Diane also insisted to Lorie, that instead of returning the donations to herself, that Lorie accept the money as a gift for which to buy a monitor. Diane is certainly allowed to direct her funds as she wishes. Having said that, there was certainly a fumble with regards to how this was handled. |
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Wed Oct 03, 2001 5:58 pm
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Dear Thermit:
You're certainly correct; whether Ms. Kramer 'handled' it correctly, or whether she 'notified' anyone prior to her using the monies for her computer is irelevant (and also none of my business, I didn't donate anything!).
My whole point, though, is that, although one person collected money and was considered a good person for doing it, another person (whose views are not supported by a majority of people here) is doing the exact same thing and being roundly excoriated and criticized for it.
I have no problem with Ms. Kramer handling the money as she sees fit, assuming none of her contributors care. I have no problem, either, with Ms. Deb doing the same thing.
My only problem is what I see as the hypocrisy on the part of some of our colleagues.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
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3T3L1
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Wed Oct 03, 2001 6:26 pm
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I have no problem with Ms. Kramer handling the money as she sees fit, assuming none of her contributors care. I have no problem, either, with Ms. Deb doing the same thing.
I don't have a problem with it either, Duncan. The irony is, Ms. Deb has reamed Ms. Kramer (frequently and at length) for the way Ms. Kramer handled money entrusted to her.
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Wed Oct 03, 2001 6:48 pm
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Exactly, 3T3L1. Nor has William Thomas been spared criticism in this regard.
Your grasp of the ironic (as well as the hypocritical) seems to be sorely lacking, Mr. Kunz. |
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Delphi
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Wed Oct 03, 2001 7:46 pm
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Amen to that Chem!! Joanne ^j^ |
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 4:19 am
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naah.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 10-31-2001] |
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theseeker
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 4:52 am
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nevermind...
T/S
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Deb
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 1:45 pm
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They only see/read what they want; truth need not apply. |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 4:25 pm
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Deb, multiple IDs are not necessary, also against the rules... |
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3T3L1
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 6:28 pm
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Thermit, does that mean that you've reactivated the handles of the debunkers who used to post here? Maybe Deb didn't know. |
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Thermit
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 7:53 pm
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It is a moot point, I guess. The only reason I bothered to mention it is that the virulent debunkers seem to have this silly and incorrect idea that most of our members are fake and that it is just a few people posting under multiple IDs.  |
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 8:32 pm
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Okay! So, who are my alters? Duncan, obviously. Who else? |
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Lulu
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Thu Nov 01, 2001 9:29 pm
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Hi Deb! Nice to see ya  |
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Deb
Joined: 04 Oct 2001
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Fri Nov 02, 2001 3:40 am
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Hey Lulu. Just stopped by briefly to reiterate that I have never asked anybody for anything other than information.
Although I didn't intentionally use a multiple, I see that I am in violation of the "rules." However, attempting to use the registration of Chickiedeb doesn't work. In case nobody noticed, I didn't show up to debunk anything, only to state a fact. Since I don't even read this board anymore unless someone directs me to a particular post, I am not familiar with the rules or the posters other than the people I know.
No one else will say it, but I will - Carnicom put out his hand to collect a measley $44 to keep pop-up ads off his board.
And truth be known, Thomas has solicited funds via e-mail also to support his "research." You'll find it here:
http://chickiedeb.topcities.com/TheHoaxTimeLine.html
I have never solicited any money nor offered a product or service for sale within the confines of the chemtrail hoax.
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