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Thermit
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Ship Trails
 Sun Aug 05, 2001 5:36 pm
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Ship Trails, often seen in the Pacific, are sometimes thought of as Chemtrails being produced by planes. However this doesn't seem to be plausable when the creation of these trails are observed and measured over a time period.
Examine the animated slides shown in the link below.
Several of these trails, commonly referred to as Ship Trails, can be seen being formed:
ANIMATED SHIP TRAIL LOOP (Java Applet)
How fast are these "ships" really moving?
I wanted to know so here is what I did.
I counted the number of hours in the sequence. From 10/21 at 16:45 to 10/22 at 00:30 is almost 8 hours. I'll round to 8 hours.
Then I set the loop on the first frame and picked a "ship". I made a little mark on the monitor. Then ran the loop to the last frame and made a second mark. Then I measured the distance on a piece of paper.
I located a pair of landmarks on the coast of an equal length to the distance the "ship" went, then using Yahoo maps, I calculated the actual distance traveled. The result was 120 miles.
120 miles divided by 8 hours =
15 MPH
This simple research was also conducted for several different ships by Mark Sky. He calculated slightly higher but similar magnitude values for the ships he measured.
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Mark Sky:
I took the four fastest ships and calculated
there speeds as follows:
Vancover island is about 320 miles long and is 3.5 inches long on my screen, or about 90 miles per screen inch.
I timed one ship at 90 miles in 2.5 hours = 36 MPH, two ships at 90 miles in 3.75 hour or 24 MPH and one ship at 90 miles in 3 hours or 30 MPH, so they are way too slow to be planes. Interesting!
What this means is that the speed of the craft producing these trails are too slow to be aircraft.
Here is some technical information from NASA cloud researcher Dr. Minnis.
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Dr. Patrick Minnis
You can tell ship trails from contrails by viewing the infrared imagery. The low clouds (ship trails) are darker than high clouds (contrails). The ship trails form under a low-level inversion that is fairly persistent off the west coasts of the continents. Water vapor evaporated from the ocean forms the low-level stratus and stratocumuls clouds inthose areas. The exhaust from the ships introduces aerosl and cloud nucelation particels that don't normally exist in the proistine marine air. The numerous nuclei results in much smaller droplets that do not form drizzle. Clouds with larger droplets tend to drizzle out and the cloud dissipates. When there is no drizzle, the trails can spread and persit for days. They twist and turn with the fairly vigorous winds resulting in the wild patterns you see. The longer they persist, the more spread out they become. The process is much like that for contrails. But he conditions have to be right. You can often see them in some other near infrared imagery imbedded in stratus decks even though they arenot apparent in the visible imagery. They are sometimes hard to see in infrared imagery because their temperatures are close to the sea surface temperaure.
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mark sky
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Sun Aug 05, 2001 6:31 pm
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I am glad you brought this subject back up Thermit.
Here is another puzzler.
If you look at the width of the trails and compare them with a known width, say that of the bay area (San Fransisco Bay area)for example, you see that they are wide enough that just one "ship trail" would completely cover the width of the Bay Area.
It is also curious that these "ship trails" are never seen where ships are known to gather (at Ship Ports) and where they would be quite obvious if they were to be doing what Dr. Minnis suggests is normal.
and then there are the "ship trails" that turn abruptly and head back the direction from whence they came, perhaps like the air pilots they simply forgot to turn the stove off at home?
Can tanker type ships go 15 to 36 MPH?
what is a reasonable speed of large ocean going vessels that could produce such wide lingering trails?
If you have read the book "Clouds of Secrecy" by Leonard Cole , you will remember that the military (supposably OUR military) in 1951 used ships off the coast of San Fransisco to "shoot" up clouds of Seretia spores that decended over the Bay area. The BioWarfare "simulant" was picked up over 21 miles downwind in the eastern Bay Area by the military monitors. Those in downtown San Fransisco were exposed to something like 500 spores per cubic of air.
Although we see the jets heading out and spraying over the Pacific Coast frequently here,it would make more sence to spray the ocean with tanker boats than with planes. |
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mark sky
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Mon Aug 06, 2001 4:36 am
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A~ voidence at all costs
the subject is too hot
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3T3L1
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Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:00 pm
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I'll have to admit, I don't understand the ship trail phenomenon at all. I can understand how ships would make plumes of water vapor sort of like smokestacks do on land. But why would these plumes be persistent? They are released at sea level, not at 40,000 feet. The temperature at sea level wouldn't be much below freezing, not -40 degrees centigrade, so we would be talking about water vapor, not ice crystals. What would make them persist for days?
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:26 pm
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This from an eyewitness.
In 1917 SanFrancisco, Calif. there was a large yellow cloud that came in from the Pacific ocean and swept over the city. Shortly there after the hospitals were swamped with people claiming to be sick. Most complained of flu-like symptoms and chest pain that lasted for days.
Think WW1 and chemical warfare testing on civilians....
What better way to deny responsability than have "it" come in on the prevailing winds. 
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Thermit
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Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:46 pm
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It is also curious that these "ship trails" are never seen where ships are known to gather (at Ship Ports) and where they would be quite obvious if they were to be doing what Dr. Minnis suggests is normal.
Mark, yes this is an interesting question. I was noticing in Minnis' details above, that he mentions that "they are not apparent in the visible imagery". This seems to imply that they might not be obviously present to the eye, however some of the Ship Trail images I've seen are from the visible imagery, so I don't quite understand that discrepancy. |
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Mon Aug 06, 2001 4:03 pm
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You want a real mystery and cover-up? Check out the explosion of an "ammunition ship" at Port Chicago, Mare Island Calif 1944.
Delve into that one and see how the official version does not make sense. I know people who were there, in the area at the time, and say what was "official observation" was BS.
They blamed the whole thing on black sailors not handling munitions safely, yeah right.
Now check on the cancer rate for the area surrounding the explosion. Some of the highest in the land. Check on the destination of the ship that blew up.
The first nuclear bomb was going to be delivered to Japan by ship but they did not know the effective killing range of a ground or water based explosion. What better way to test than to blow up half a city to find out.
In explaining how the explosion looked to the untrained observer, most said it looked like a "mushroom shaped cloud". This is the first time that term ,Mushroom Cloud, was used in the media. This cloud was observed as far away as St. Helena Calif, Calistoga Calif, many miles from the site. The force of the explosion was so great, it sucked the water from the Mare Island channel, the water rushing back in caused considerable damage itself. Sound like conventional ammunition to you??
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Tue Aug 07, 2001 3:59 am
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David, i think your "ibiblio" site was placed up against your "atomic" address without the space in between to separate them
keep up the excellent work
EDITED
David, check out the ends of the links that don't work and remove the "URL=" and the "]" and "[" marks from the ends and put spaces between the individual links and they should all work.all of them should start with http and end without ]
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David
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Tue Aug 07, 2001 5:32 am
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Thanks mark. I tried to fix it, hope I didn't make it worse. Still working on the cancer links. |
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Wed Aug 08, 2001 5:23 am
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Thanks again mark, I'v been gone all day so did not fix them. I owe you a couple.  I will post the cancer information 8-8-01. |
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Anne
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Wed Aug 08, 2001 5:55 am
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I am going to read the references tomorrow. I had also talked to a reporter who works in Fresno and whose Dad worked at Travis when he was a kid and he said that they had a nuclear accident there too, but I am not sure of the year. The Benecia area has a lot of contamination and larger amount of cancers. There has been an incidence of cancer in Napa area of middle aged adults. Recent articles in papers also said that polio vaccine was contaminated too. Who knows why a lot of people dying of cancers.
I worked in home health for awhile and some of my patients worked at Mare Island during the 40's and they said a lot of contamination there and it was area where subs were outfitted. One man said that there were tarps covering stuff that he was told not to look at and he wasn't sure what they were. Coverups continue.
Yes, Thermit, I have seen those "ship trails" on visible satellites too. I do not believe they are all ship trails. Spraying has been done off shore lately and that stuff comes in with the fog nightly. |
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Moose
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Sun Aug 26, 2001 4:14 am
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If the "ship-trails" were in fact coming from actual ships (traveling at a minimum of 15mph), perhaps the aerosols being ejected from the ships have identical electrical charges (- or +), so that, by the law of like-repelling-like, they bloom to their impressive width. As for their length, well a ship's hold could store a lot of spray material. Furthermore, if the ship-trail "chemtrails" are at all similar, to the "sparklies" being reported all around the country, they would have highly unusual characterists, aerodynamically speaking: highly energized; minute particles moving *into* a stiff breeze; swarming, reminiscent of insect swarms in that they hover above ground at the same height for long periods of time; webbing, 20'and longer; and (contrary to common sense) being easily visible immediately after a good rainfall. Which makes me wonder if the "sparklies" (and by inference the ship-trails) are somehow being "buoyed up" by a man-made electrical charge being diffused through the atmosphere (for purposes unknown).
ps: I'm sure that a large ocean-going vessel could easily reach speeds of 15mph, and probably a lot more if it's contracted to the military. For sampling purposes, a quick call to a cruise ship company, should tell us something about the performance characteristics of their large liners...which reminds me...does anybody know whether there are commercial vessels out there in the Pacific running in the area of the ship-trais?
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Sun Aug 26, 2001 5:47 am
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Funny you should mention the idea of these particles being suspended for an extended period of time, Moose. We've been clear in Seattle for over six weeks... a day or two of moderate spraying in the middle of that, but nothing major. Then the rains came a couple days ago. A torrential, record-setting downpour that I, of course, got caught in without an umbrella. I made it home, peeled out of my soaking wet clothing, and promptly collapsed. It was like all those dizzyness/ fatigue synptoms had been amplified to the nth degree.
After I started to snap out of it, I decided that our clear days were about to come to an end. It stood to reason that the rainstorm had screwed up the concentration level that had been achieved.(Theoretically of course, 3T3). Sure enough, the sprayplanes were back in a big way today.
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