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3T3L1
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 Fri Feb 22, 2002 3:20 pm
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Thanks, FLKook. Once again, the reason I'm focusing on fuel dumps is that I really think they are part of the answer, even though they aren't the whole answer to the chemtrail conundrum. To do science, you have to carve up your problem into bite-sized pieces, and the question of fuel dumps makes a bite-sized piece.
I "met" the head of the US-Citizens Aviation Watch (CAW) yesterday. I gather that he believes there are many more than 127 fuel dumps per year. Why? The fuel dumps are self-reported. |
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3T3L1
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:15 pm
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Here is a portion of Jack Sapporito's reply to the February, 2001, letter from Chester J. France. Mr. Sapporito is President of the US-Citizens Aviation Watch Association, and I have his permission to post this:
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Consider the numbers of people and children on the ground that may be irreversibly and adversely affected by fuel dumping even with only 127 incidents per year. ...
We also tend to believe the 127 incidents are vastly underestimated for a number of reasons. It is not in the FAA’s best interest to self audit and self report such dumpings. These would tend to incur a great deal of public and political controversy. With any industry, self reporting usually underestimates the impacts simply due to the effects of truthful reporting on operating costs, legal costs and resulting public pressure.
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3T3L1
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:23 pm
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In his letter to Mr. France, Mr. Sapporito gave this example of two fuel dumps which occurred, but were not reported:
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One individual who lived in the flight path for Sea-Tac Airport, had fuel dumped on her yard twice in one summer. The FAA was called and had no record of any dumping. She had the plants in her yard analyzed and the sticky drops on alder leaves showed heavy concentrations of hydrocarbons typical of the heavier carbon residue left after volatization of the lighter jet fuel compounds in the atmosphere. Contrary to your report, these dumpings occurred in the approach area where aircraft overfly the residence at approximately 1,000 feet above the ground. Subsequently, every leaf turned black and was shed from the trees by August. ...It cost $500.00 to have the plants analyzed.
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3T3L1
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Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:14 pm
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Thanks to Colonel Dan, here is the official Air Force website material on "In Flight Emergency Fuel Release." http://www.af.mil/environment/contrails_inflight.shtml
According to the Air Force, "JP-8 jet fuel released at low altitudes appears as a fine mist and may not volatilize before reaching the ground surface." Here is the full quote:
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Another common, but infrequent, procedure is the release, or venting, of fuel as a safety measure. If an in-flight emergency (IFE) is declared, a pilot will want to land the aircraft with as light a load as possible to prevent the possibility of damaging the aircraft and/or causing a fuel leak on landing. In order to lighten the fuel load a pilot can continue to fly until the fuel is burned or vent the fuel into the atmosphere. Fuel that is released, or vented, typically atomizes into a fine spray as it is released and typically evaporates before it reaches the ground. JP-8 jet fuel released at low altitudes appears as a fine mist and may not volatilize before reaching the ground surface. The release of fuel does not produce a contrail and appears more like a smoke pattern that dissipates quickly.
It is unsurprising that the Air Force would say that the release of fuel does not produce a contrail. On another page of that site, the Air Force says, "Contrails are composed primarily of water (in the form of ice crystals) ..."
( http://www.af.mil/environment/contrails_contrail.shtml )
Fuel dumps are composed primarily of JP-8, not water, so by the Air Force definition they could not be called contrails.
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theseeker
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Fri Mar 01, 2002 12:42 am
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These two statemnets have always bothered me...
The purpose of that paper was part of a thesis to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve military objectives and it does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability.
The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future.
hmmm...on one hand the air force would be outlining a strategy, and the other they have no plans to do so in the future....
did dan write that ? >>>lol<<<
3 of the links provided in your link 3t3, are of Jay's old site...that was taken down by a band of militant thugs !
new link
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3T3L1
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Fri Mar 01, 2002 3:31 pm
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I noticed that, too, seeker. Why would the Air Force outline a strategy to modify weather, and then have no plans to use it? Especially when weather is such a critical component of warfare?
As far as the subject of fuel dumps, this thread is now complete.
It has been shown conclusively that not all so-called chemtrails are simply contrails. One type of chemtrail is composed of jettisoned JP-8 or Jet-A jet fuel.
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FLKook
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 1:26 pm
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Congratulations 3, on one of the most concise and important threads of factual information on unnatural contrail formation.
Thank you and everyone that participated in your research. |
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mark sky
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Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:21 am
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what has happened to 3T3L1?
long time no hear from
i can only hope that life has waylaid
and she will return soon refreashed |
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3T3L1
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Wed Mar 27, 2002 3:56 pm
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Thanks for asking, mark. I've just finished my worst seige of asthma in 16 years. I don't know what brought it on, but it took prednisone and a week in the mountains to break the cycle. I'm still trying to get back on my feet. I appreciate your concern. |
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