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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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>> That still doesn't explain why these trails last for hours and hours and disperse to cover the entire sky. <<
The exact same reason(s) clouds spread and linger for hours and hours. Simple.
Edit to add:
>>I'm active duty Air Force, over 18 years in, have an Associates degree in Armament systems technology, and a Bachelor of Science in Aeronautics.<<
Any you still don't know they answer to such a simple queston?
F.K.
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Odie
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:30 pm
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Well Kocky, you've convinced me of your intelligence by your sarcasm and childish insults. My question of your knowledge has been answered. Thanks. And maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the composition of clouds was a little different than what aicraft spew out. Gotta love these debunker/agents of misinformation. Glad to be back! |
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suckingeggs
Joined: 28 Mar 2003
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:46 pm
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They are not even debunkers Odie, they are always trying to tell us we are NOT seeing these things with our own eyes.
If they started saying its because of JP8 or too much polution in the atmosphere, then we could debate it. They have debunked their selves with this constant whine and forget they we have memories of these things not happening in the past. |
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Feelin Kocky
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:03 pm
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>> you've convinced me of your intelligence <<
And you of mine. Welcome back.
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:04 pm
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>>They have debunked their selves with this constant whine and forget they we have memories of these things not happening in the past.<<
You are right since contrails were not seen before the mid 1940s.
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:07 pm
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>> And maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the composition of clouds was a little different than what aicraft spew out.<<
Clouds 99.9% water. Contrails greater than 99% water(over very close to that anyway).
Anywho, the contents was not your question. You asked why they spread out. Anything that is lightweight in the atmosphere will generally spread for most of the same reasons as water vapor(clouds) spread out.
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msu94
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:10 pm
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Yes the Chemtrail hoax has many different theories to it and does change some.
When I first read some chemtrail message boards, the jist of it was that the trails were all too low to be contrails. That was never proven and now it is more about trail persistence. But trails have persisted since aircraft have been able to get up that high, photos from WW2 show it.
Of course you will hear lots about whether it is unburned fuel, metals, virus, bacterial, fibers, coming from Military, or Airline, or UFOs, controlled by Illuminati, CIA, NRO, NSA, Masons, Bildebergs, or Reptoids, and its either to kill people, or to immunize them, or for climate control
Its a pretty broad theory so far. Look at the arguing on carnicoms board when certain ones feel their individual chemtrail theories are being left out.
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ChemCaptain
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:27 pm
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"they are always trying to tell us we are NOT seeing these things with our own eyes."
Actually, I don't believe I've seen the arguement used that you aren't seeing anything.
What we are saying is you are misinterpreting what you ARE seeing. |
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suckingeggs
Joined: 28 Mar 2003
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Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:55 pm
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How can you misinterpret armagendon in the skies, white out following every mass trailing, no rain for months and months, hospitals filling up with walking flu, directly after major sprays, the rashes, the polymers, HAARP waves, the silver orbs, a provousion of military jets etc
What are we misinterpreting? |
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Feelin Kocky
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:04 am
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HAARP is a communication study. What else can it be? AND, if it is something else, please expain how it works. Thanks.
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 2:28 am
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HAARP (High frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is to be a major Arctic facility for upper atmospheric and solar-terrestrial research.
HAARP is being built on a DoD-owned site near Gakona, Alaska. Principal instruments include a high power, high-frequency (HF) phased array radio transmitter (known as the Ionospheric Research Instrument, or IRI), used to stimulate small, well-defined volumes of ionosphere, and an ultra-high frequency (UHF) incoherent scatter radar (ISR), used to measure electron densities, electron and ion temperatures, and Doppler velocities in the stimulated region and in the natural ionosphere. To further the scientific capabilities and usefulness of the IRI and ISR, HAARP is supporting the design and installation of the latest in modern geophysical research instruments, including an HF ionosonde, ELF and VLF receivers, magnetometers, riometers, a LIDAR (LIght Detection And Ranging) and optical and infrared spectrometers and cameras which will be used to observe the complex natural variations of Alaska's ionosphere as well as to detect artificial effects produced by the IRI.
Is HAARP Unique?
Ionospheric research facilities have been in continuous use since the 1950's to investigate fundamental physical principles which govern the earth's ionosphere, so that present and future transmission technologies may take into account the complexities of the ionosphere. At the present time the US operates two ionospheric research sites, one in Puerto Rico, near the Arecibo Observatory, and the other (known as HIPAS) in Alaska near Fairbanks. Both of these employ active and passive radio instrumentation similar to that being built at HAARP. Interest in the ionosphere is not limited to the US: a five-country consortium operates the European Incoherent Scatter Radar site (EISCAT), a premier world-class ionospheric research facility located in northern Norway near Tromsų. Facilities also are located at Jicamarca, Peru; near Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod ("SURA") and Apatity, Russia; near Kharkov, Ukraine and in Dushanbe, Tadzhikistan. All of these installations have as their primary purpose the study of the ionosphere, and most employ the capability of stimulating to a varying degree small, localized regions of the ionosphere in order to study methodically, and in a detailed manner what nature produces randomly and regularly on a much larger scale. HAARP also will have such a capability, but what sets HAARP apart from existing facilities is the unusual combination of a research tool which provides electronic beam steering, wide frequency coverage and high effective radiated power collocated with a diverse suite of scientific observational instruments.
Who is Building HAARP?
Technical expertise and procurement services as required for the management, administration and evaluation of the program are being provided cooperatively by the Air Force (Air Force Research Laboratory) and Navy (Office of Naval Research and Naval Research Laboratory). Since HAARP consists of many individual items of scientific equipment, both large and small, there is a considerable list of commercial, academic and government organizations which are contributing to the building of the facility by developing scientific diagnostic instrumentation and by providing guidance in the specification, design and development of the IRI. Advanced Power Technologies, Inc. (APTI), an employee-owned company, was awarded the contract to design and build the IRI, based on a proposal submitted in response to an RFP issued by the Office of Naval Research in 1992, and published in the Commerce Business Daily. Other organizations which have contributed to the program include the University of Alaska, University of Massachusetts, UCLA, MIT, Stanford University, Dartmouth University, Clemson University, Penn State University, University of Tulsa, University of Maryland, Cornell University, SRI International, Northwest Research Associates, Inc., and Geospace, Inc.
What is the IRI and what does it transmit?
Basically, the IRI is what is known as a phased array transmitter. It is designed to transmit a narrow beam of high power radio signals in the 2.8 to 10 MHz frequency range. Its antenna will be constructed on a 1000' x 1200' gravel pad (about 33 acres). There are to be 180 towers, 72' in height mounted on thermopiles spaced 80' apart in a 12 x 15 rectangular grid, each of which supports near its top, two pairs of crossed dipole antennas, one for the low band (2.8 to 8.3 MHz), the other for the high band (7 to 10 MHz). The antenna system is surrounded by an exclusion fence to prevent possible damage to the antenna towers or harm to large animals. An elevated ground screen, attached to the towers at the 15' level, acts as a reflector for the antenna array while allowing vehicular access underneath to 30 environmentally-controlled transmitter shelters spaced throughout the array. Each shelter will contain 6 pairs of 10 kW transmitters, for a total of 6 x 30 x 2 x 10 kW = 3600 kW available for transmission. The transmitters can be switched to drive either the low or high band antennas. Electric prime power will be obtained from six, 2500 kW generators, each driven by a 3600 hp diesel engine. From a control room within the Operations Center the transmissions from each dipole can be adjusted in amplitude and phase so as to form a narrow antenna pattern pointed upward toward the ionosphere. The transmitted signal diverges (or spreads out) as it travels upward and is partially absorbed, at an altitude which depends on the HF frequency, in a small volume several tens of miles in diameter and a few hundred meters thick directly over the facility. The remainder of the transmitted signal either reflects back toward the earth or passes through the ionosphere into space, continuing to diverge as it does so. By the time it reaches the ionosphere, the intensity of the HF signal is less than 3 microwatts (0.000003 watt) per cm2, tens of thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less, even, than the variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere.
How safe are these transmissions?
Because the antenna pattern of the IRI array has been tailored to transmit its signal upward rather than toward the horizon, radio field strengths at ground level, including areas directly under the antenna array, are calculated to be smaller than Radiofrequency Radiation (RFR) standards allow for human exposure. This is possible because the individual transmitters are spaced apart over 33 acres so that the concentration of radio fields never exceeds these nationally recognized safety standards. Radio field strengths on the ground around the array have been measured throughout the construction of the facility, beginning in 1994 and will continue through all future construction to ensure that all requirements for safety mandated in the EIS Record of Decision are met. At the point of closest public access on the Tok Highway, for example, the measured fields are ten-thousand times smaller than permitted by the RFR standards and hundreds of times smaller than typically found near AM broadcast station antennas in many urban areas. The strength of these fields continues to decrease in a rapid manner at greater distances from the facility.
HARRP is not a chemtrail related program get over it and get a grip!!!! |
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