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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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 Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:19 pm
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Look I respect any knowledge, including yours, which is really knowledge.
I don't mind not talking to you for a while if you want to cool down.
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Deborah
Joined: 30 Jul 2000
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Sun Sep 28, 2003 2:59 am
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GENERAL [DELAYED] RESPONSE:
[I had to find a new ISP this week as my former ISP suddenly dropped the entire state of Arizona from its regions covered under a contract with a new backbone Internet service.]
halva wrote:
.....By opening this new front [pointing out that normal condensation trails also create environmental havoc] Deborah you are also generating confusion, introducing another distractor into an already confused argument.....
I apologize.
halva wrote:
.....Feelin Kocky does not like to think that the government he supports could be engaged in criminal and/or conspiratorial activity.....
That may be true.
However, I tend to feel that a lot of people simply think it's no big deal that "the government they support" is routinely engaged in the implementation of classified projects. Either they don't want to know about it or they simply assume that the few in authority know what's best for the many and they don't bother to question activities at the "classified" level.
halva wrote:
.....I tried to introduce the factor of (for example) Jay Michaelson's RECOMMENDATION of spraying of toxic aerosols as a first, and politically feasible, measure against global warming to see how Feelin Kocky would respond to the notion that whether such a programme COULD BE OPENLY ADVOCATED and so COULD BE UNDER WAY is separate from the issue of whether it is criminal and/or conspiratorial.
His response to this is to repeat the irrelevant charge that Michaelson is an incompetent scientist.....
No surprise there.
halva wrote:
.....The point I am making, Deborah, is that by saying that contrails are also destructive you are sabotaging my effort to break PHX Pilot's and Feelin Kocky's "chemtrails are contrails" litany.....
I understand your point and, again, I apologize. It was not my intent to sabotage your effort.
My point was to shed some light on the fact that the American public is being kept in the dark about MANY issues INCLUDING the truth about the effects of "normal contrails" on the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere.
By pointing this out I am NOT implying that a program of aerosol distribution via aerial platforms cannot possibly be underway. I personally feel it's highly likely that just such a program is, in fact, well underway on at least a regional basis. There are several papers in the reference literature on climate mitigation technology which provide a more-than-adequate basis for reasonable supposition in this regard.
Also, there is the highly VISIBLE evidence with which we are continuously confronted for the last four-plus years.
I sure do think it's time the mess being made of our skies was ACKNOWLEDGED for the directly-observable FACT that it is. And I think it's time that the mess being made by "normal contrails" and the mess being made by calculated distribution of aerosols via aerial platforms for regional climate mitigation purposes are looked at SEPARATELY in order to clarify the contributions of EACH to their overall negative effects on our atmosphere.
halva wrote:
.....When you speak of an accelerated level of concern and ACTION - in Europe - (where the regional impact of aviation emissions has become unavoidably apparent) this suggests that you are pushing a Greenpeace-type good Europeans vs bad Americans model.....
That's not what I had in mind but I can understand why you would come to that conclusion.
halva wrote:
.....I have not noticed any action of the kind you describe in Europe.....
The upper northwestern quadrant of Europe has, in fact, become very active in this regard. I've posted a number of current references to this over the past month or so.
halva wrote:
.....So. Can we concentrate on resolving the issue of whether or not toxic aerosols are being sprayed, and then after that move on to the question you have raised of the damaging consequences of "ordinary" aviation.....
Certainly. |
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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:06 am
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Well, as for the first, Feelin Kocky has apparently backed off now in the face of warnings that continuing to resort to abuse will result in exclusion from posting rights.
I hope he also understands that the best way to keep whatever prestige he retains here as a person with scientific knowledge will be similarly to back off from misusing it for the purpose of maintaining a political stance that will inevitably provoke behaviour and language for which people can be excluded.
So, that said, Deborah, do you wish to move on now to the subject you were introducing, or should we forget about it for the time being?
Do you want to elaborate on your point about aviation policy in North Eastern Europe?
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
Posts: 537
Location: Underground Weather Control Bunker |
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Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:44 am
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>> backed off now in the face of warnings<<
Wrong answer. You are really trying to push me aren't you? f*** you.
Enjoy your nonsense, $#@#! |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
Posts: 1386
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Mon Sep 29, 2003 1:56 am
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There seems to be an error in FK's profile; it describes him as a member of this forum. |
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HatchetML
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
Posts: 174
Location: NW Florida |
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Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:17 pm
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If Feeling Kocky is banned then so should Halva for his inticing Kocky to reply.
Seems if you ban Halva alot of the troubles would go away...imagine that. |
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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Mon Sep 29, 2003 1:24 pm
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Put it to the Council. I've only got one vote. |
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