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mark sky
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I LIKE THIS ONE A LOT, here is an excerpt http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/air_force_woes.html
Proctor and Hugh's 1991 Chemical Hazards of the Workplace Third Edition found that "accidental use" of JP8 resulted in: general weakness, vomiting, diarrhea, chest pains, coughing, shortness of breath, cardiac insufficiency and uterine hemorrhaging.
Following death, 44 hours later, autopsies found: "upper respiratory tract irritation, swelling of the pulmonary lymph glands, advanced... deterioration of the heart, liver and kidneys, and hemorrhages in the respiratory tract."
JP8 also depresses the central nervous system. Tanker crews and fuel handlers could not have been reassured by an official Air Force study on "The Effects of Chronic JP8 Jet Fuel Exposure on the Lungs and Secondary Organs". Conducted by the University of Arizona at Tucson in the late 1990s, the tests found "that exposure to only 7 days of JP8 jet fuel for one hour/day at a concentration of 500 mg per cubic meter can produce lung injuries."
Since EDB becomes more toxic at higher temperatures, its dispersal from 1,200 degree jet exhausts spells exceptionally bad news for all "downwinders".
Jet fuel "rain" from what the Air Force terms "routine" fuel jettisoning to lower landing weights - and unburned fuel spewing from a constant stream of heavy aircraft straining to take off from airports and airbases - add to the daily toxic exposure of residents living close to busy airports and airbases.
PANTHER PISS
Another threat for urban dwellers is presented by Panther Piss. This nickname identifies a fuel additive used by highly-classified high-performance Mach 3 aircraft to eliminate contrails.
"Think about it," emailed (an unverified) former Air Force line man. "You have an airframe flying over foreign land, they can't paint it with radar, they cant get an IR lock, but they look up and see a nice white line streaking across the sky. I think you just lost both stealth and your aircraft."
While this source would not confirm the presence of EDB, he stated that Panther Piss is "almost the same (chemically) as a popular pest- exterminating chemical. We all know the effects of those chemicals."
As chemtrail spraying continues drying the air over the drought-stricken USA, one big question remains for American taxpayers: Isn't it time to start spending the $500,000 a minute currently being devoted to destruction in their names by promotion-seeking military officers and profiteering corporations like the Carlyle Group - on the survival of their children, and a space colony called Earth?
FROM> http://educate-yourself.org/mnt/ctsuppressionhumanevolution29sep00.shtml
Ethylene dibromide has similar effects on cloud formation as silver iodide, a chemical normally used in cloud seeding.
But this theory does not explain the presence of genetically engineered viruses and bacteria in chemtrail residue, or the resulting epidemic of flu-like symptoms.
If anything, EDB serves partly as a condensation nuclei around which water vapor in the atmosphere can condense, making thick chemtrails visible for satellite tracking.
MORE IN ABOVE LINK
FROM> http://educate-yourself.org/mnt/ctsuppressionhumanevolution29sep00.shtml
Piece 1: The Chemtrails
From the many analyses performed upon chemtrail residue samples and listed on the web, the following substances have been gathered and listed here (as mentioned in such sources as http://www.egroups.com/message/fr2/126? , http://www.carnicom.com/bio1.htm, and [url=http://members.tripod.com/conspiracy2/contrailsanalyzed.htm)]http://members.tripod.com/conspiracy2/contrailsanalyzed.htm)[/url]
1) Ethylene dibromide (dibromethane) - Banned in 1984 by the EPA, EDB (C2H4Br2) is a carcinogenic fuel additive and insecticide with a chloroform-like odor. It is claimed similar to silver iodide, which was once used for cloud seeding and weather modification purposes. When absorbed, EDB causes central nervous system depression and pulmonary edema, which is fluid accumulation in the lungs. Symptoms of pulmonary edema include shortness of breath, anxiety, wheezing, and coughing. It is extremely irritant to mucous membranes and the respiratory tract.
2) Pseudomonas aeruginosa - A common hardy bacteria that can be found in dirt (suggesting possible contamination of chemtrail ground samples) but commonly genetically engineered by companies as PathoGenesis for various purposes. The natural strains have been found to contaminate hospitals and drinking water. When inhaled into immunosuppressed lungs such as those of victims with cystic fibrosis, forms slime clusters called biofilms which are virtual bunkers against immune system defenses and antibiotics. It can transfer horizontally, meaning between species, genetic information to the host via transduction and conjugation. Conjugation involves the bacteria injecting a genetic package called a plasmid via a 'handshake' into a host cell, which receives it and in effect makes it a part of its own DNA. Transduction is similar, but instead of the bacteria sending a plasmid into the host, it sends bacteriophages (viruses) that contain some of the original bacteria's DNA and implants it within the host's DNA.
3) Pseudomonas fluorescens - another strain of the Pseudomonas variety found most often in soil and on plants. On plants, it produces antibiotics which shield the plant from fungal and bacterial infections. Most likely a contaminant in the analysis.
4) Enterobacteriaceae - Includes E.coli and salmonella which are culprits in cases of food poisoning. Most interesting of the Enterobacteriaceae family is the Klebsiella genus, whose species is responsible for pneumonia infections.
5) Serratia marcescens - a dangerous pathogen that can cause pneumonia.
This link reports that
"One of the biggest experiments involved the use of Serratia marcescens being sprayed over San Francisco. This organism is especially nice because it produces a red/pink pigment when grown on certain media, which makes identification very easy. At one point, 5000 particles/minute were sprayed from the coastal areas inward. During this time, 1 man died(in the hospital) and 10 others became infected in what was described as "a mystery to doctors." Although the military never did many follow up studies on these tests, one results was that it showed nearly every single person became infected with the test organism. In hindsight, now that some of this information has become declassified, it's been shown that during periods following spraying tests, there were 5-10 times the normal infections reported."
Visit this link from the Canadian Intelligence Security Service to view more information on the San Fransisco 1950 biological testing. In summary, the military released Serratia marcescens upon the San Fransisco population to test the effectiveness of a terrorist bio-attack. Following this was an outbreak of pneumonia which killed on man.
9) Streptomyces - "Streptomycetes are used to produce the majority of antibiotics applied in human and veterinary medicine and agriculture, as well as anti-parasitic agents, herbicides, pharmacologically active metabolites (e.g. immuno-suppressants) "
10) A restriction enzyme used in research labs to snip and combine DNA -- such an enzyme cleaves open DNA and allows desired segments to be inserted before recombining.
11) Other bacteria and toxic molds capable of producing heart disease, encephalitis, meningitis, as well as acute upper respiratory and gastrointestinal distress.
It is known that within three days of a particular heavy spraying, outbreaks of respiratory illnesses occur in the exposed population. Some develop pneumonia, others colds, flu-like symptoms, and depressed immune functions. Instances of meningitis and encephalitis have also increased in correlation with sprayings.
Note that no viruses are listed above. This is because viruses are difficult to detect in the laboratory, much less identify. However, most of the resulting illnesses do not respond to antibiotics, suggesting their causes are indeed viral. From points made later in this article, such viruses are most likely retroviruses such as the adenovirus for use in sinister gene 'therapy.'
Here is the abstract of patent # 03994437:
A method and apparatus are provided for evenly disseminating by broadcast techniques trace quantities of biologically active chemicals such as nutrients, insecticides, fungicides, growth regulators and the like. The biologically active chemical is encapsulated in a microdispenser such as a filamentary conduit of regulated cross-section and length. The filled microdispensers are then metered into a moving carrier fluid stream, preferably air, and the carrier fluid containing the microdispensers is then evenly dispensed throughout the area. In an alternate preferred embodiment, the microdispensers are coated with a second material which may be either another biologically active material or a sticker for attaching the microdispenser to living organisms such as plants or animals. The method and apparatus is also applicable to biologically active chemicals contained in laminated microdispenser structures for dissemination and release.
In the actual patent, however, the author states that the fiber sizes are quite large, with inside diameters of 7-50 mils and lengths of two inches. These sizes he states, are preferred, though not limiting numbers. It is possible that this technology has been updated to produce microfilaments such as the 'cobwebs' seen falling from the sky after chemtrail sprayings.
What's important is the encapsulation of biologically active materials in a polymer coating. The minimum number of liquids to accomplish this is three, two to form polymers such as polyesters, polyolefins, acrylics, modacrylics, polyamides upon reaction during mixing with one another, and the third being the biologically active liquid. Another patent entitled "ENCAPSULATION BY INTERFACIAL POLYCONDENSATION" 3577515, describes this process perfectly.
Overview of the Chemtrail Phenomenon
Chemtrails appear worldwide, though it has been claimed that none have been sighted in China. The author has personally witnessed them in Germany. Although chemtrails in foreign countries may be due to planes originating from the US, or from US military bases in those countries, the heaviness of spraying there suggests that foreign governments and commercial agencies are involved. As stated, this contradicts the hypothesis that chemtrails are sprayed to protect Americans from an anthrax attack, as terrorists would not target countries other than America, especially many of the lesser countries in which chemtrails have still been sighted.
What is to be gleaned from the preceding point is that governments worldwide are involved in aggressively spraying the population with agents that have biological effects. They are in a hurry, considering their frequency and density of coverage, as if a deadline is to be met.
Piece 2: Bacterially Induced Transcession and Gene Therapy via Vector Viruses
This section concerns altering one's DNA via incorporation of foreign DNA from bacteria or viruses.
First Clue that Viruses Affect Host's DNA
The term 'transcession' appears in a Leading Edge article, quoted as follows:
"One of the indications that vaccinations may in fact be changing the genetic structure of humans became evident in September of 1971, when scientists at the University of Geneva made the discovery that biological substances entering directly into the bloodstream could become part of human genetic structure. In one experiment, scientists in Geneva extracted the auricles of frog hearts and dipped them for several hours in a suspension of bacteria.
Afterward, they found a high percentage of RNA-DNA hybridization between bacterial DNA extracted from bacteria of the same species as that used in the experiment and titrated DNA extracted from the auricles which had been dipped in the bacterial suspension. Bacterial DNA had been absorbed by the animal cells. This phenomenon has been dubbed transcession.
In other words, transcession is the process whereby bacterial DNA becomes part of a host cell's DNA. The term transcession is more commonly known as transduction, or conjugation, more generally termed horizontal gene transfer. Horizontal means between species, as opposed to vertical which is from parent to offspring.
Even madsci.org has something to say about these non-invasive methods:
Gene therapy is one of the most interesting and valuable techniques to come out of the field of genetic engineering. The adenovirus used to deliver the CF gene to human cells for gene therapy is known as a vector. Since most cells normally will not take in or absorb DNA, we need a delivery system to get the gene into the cell. Adenovirus is a good vector since it can infect cells in vivo, or while they?re in the body, which means that the gene can be delivered through an inhaler
Polyoma virus has a very broad host range which means that the pseudocapsids will be taken up by essentially any human or other mammalian cell. Development and selection of mutant VP1 proteins, together with engineered specific labels may enable cell-specific targeting for in vivo applications. Pseudocapsids completely free of viral genetic material can be produced easily and economically.
Polyoma pseudocapsids can successfully transfer up to 7.2 Kb of DNA and research is investigating the production of oversized pseudocapsids. These oversized capsids would enable transfer of much larger amounts of genetic material than is currently possible with adeno or retrovirus vectors. "
In other words, technology already exists allowing virus vectors to effectively alter the DNA of a host's cell. This is not science fiction. One company among many, AEA Technology, is presently researching and selling aerosol (most likely inhaler, but expandable to atmospheric) products for use in gene therapy.
Physical Symptoms of Virus Vector Afflictions
Adenovirus: Adenoviruses are infectious human viruses, which often cause mild respiratory illness
Herpesvirus: Herpesviruses include infectious human viruses such as herpes simplex virus type-1 (HSV-1), which is the most commonly used vector system. HSV-1 is common in the general population, but can cause encephalitis in rare cases
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mark sky
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Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:58 am
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From evidence available, adenovirus vectors are the most likely culprits in chemtrail-related sicknesses.
In summary, both bacteria and viruses are capable of incorporating some of their own genetic information into the cells of a host. Bacteria do it via transduction and conjugation, and viruses via direct infection of a cell.
The Link to Chemtrails
Conceivably, one could become infected with either such a bacteria or virus and would feel sick as a consequence. Meanwhile, the bacteria or virus go to work altering one's cellular DNA slowly, before later being wiped out by the body's immune system. After the illness is eliminated, the altered cells remain and continue to reproduce. Sometimes it becomes malignantly cancerous if the gene transfer is crude and faulty (as in vaccinations), and other times the changes are so subtle the body continues to operate as previously, or so the victim thinks (as in chemtrail exposure).
As mentioned, chemtrails contain genetically engineered biological agents and make people sick. Does this not hint at an intentional attempt by the implementors of the chemtrail program to perform mass gene therapy upon the population? The question is whether or not this gene therapy is for our benefit, or the benefit of the implementors.
The Rise of Mutant Humans
There are a great number of sources which claim that new strains of humans have been appearing over the past decade. Not all these sources are scientific, but that is expected with a topic at the fringe of current events.
One example is Drunvalo Melchizedek, who in an interview by Diane Cooper (featured at this link) said:
"Well there are 3 different kinds of children emerging in the world today that I have been able to identify. The first are called the "Super Psychic Children of China." The second are called the "Indigo Children" and the third are called the "Children of AIDS." The first one, the "Super Psychics of China," we talked about in the Flower of Life seminars. If you remember, the first one was discovered in 1984 when a child was found who was psychic beyond belief.
...Well, it's mostly children, but now they are finding adults with it too - just like the hundredth monkey theory.
During this time, which seems to have started maybe 5 to 20 years ago, we have been mutating. This is the scientific explanation. It is a mutation of our species into something for which the end result is not yet known.
The changes are not known publicly, because the scientific community feels it would frighten the population.
with increasing numbers of 'enlightened' humans, the illusion foisted upon us by the power structure will crumble -- even if only by the 100th monkey phenomenon whereby enlightenment spreads rapidly and contagiously to many once a small threshold segment of the population acts as seed.
Interestingly, HAARP appears to be an electromagnetic aspect of a multiprong approach to artificially counteract this decline and keep mutation suppressed. Chemtrails are the biochemical aspect of the same program
A research abstract entitled "Schumann Resonance Parameter Changes During High-Energy Particle Precipitation" states that sources of high energy particles such as solar storms have an influence on Schumann resonance. This indicates a link between earth resonance and the sun. Consequently, there is a link, however subtle, between solar activity and our DNA. Recent months have seen wild solar activity; this will reflect genetically within the population toward a reactivation of junk DNA [reactivation because wild fluctuations present unpredictability, and since the predictable earth field is one established by the power structure, anything unpredictable would serve to disrupt it].
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Ken Welch in Houston
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Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:35 am
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Thanks again, Mark. I'm glad we've got more detail regarding the lungs and respiratory system. Lung damage is certainly a major consideration in fuel vapors, and we've all breathed enough fuel over the last five years to fill the tank of a big SUV I'm sure!
Pardon my going off topic: When spraying began, we found that it was surprisingly difficult to find any information at all about the mandated formulas for aviation fuels. It should have been easy to find, but the information was so sparse it reminded me of the Vietnam years, when you couldn't find a single book in any library that gave a good historical account of our historical involvement in Indochina. Big red flag. The little that was on the web appeared to have been sanitized, otherwise it was a just a dark pothole in the information highway.
However, I could remember being quite interested in the PR campaign that Uncle put on in 1990-91 about the need to "fix" aviation fuels to cut down on the fireball in a typical crash. This included films of a radio controlled airliner being crashed in the desert, in a location with telephone poles planted to tear off the wings, and the resulting fire. Oddly enough, when they announced that they had found a magic chemical that currently wasn't used for anything else, they appeared to replay the same film, rather than a film showing a reduced explosion. That sort of left it up to everyone's imagination. Nonetheless, the image was a strong one, and stuck in many people's minds for quite a while. It would be no surprise that a chemical touted as a fire retardant would be generally non-flammable.
Today, you can find little if any reference to this, and sanitized documentation implies the only additives in jet fuel are primarily de-icing ingredients. Clearly, Orwell's Ministry of Truth has been at work here.
Interesting, also, is the fact that there appears to have been a concerted effort to introduce other lung damaging compounds into our air. Stories about MTBE and reformulated gasolines often cite increases in respiratory problems, and I'll bet we could find more. I certainly must say that I seem to be encountering more and more people who complain of unexpected or unusual shortness of breath.
It is virtually impossible to get an accurate picture of current health reporting data - its like a really big secret reserved for Big Brother and monopoly medicine. Still, spraying has been going on long enough now that official historical statistics should be available to illustrate differences centered on 1999. I would pick asthma or any other condition that describes difficulty in breathing for a good picture of symptoms. And I think annual totals for pneumonia deaths would be another good indicator for what I personally think is planned for the final phase of the chemtrail nightmare.
There may be someone who has their finger on these statistics and can provide data or a link with no trouble. If so, jump in. Otherwise I'll figure it to be next week's project.
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Regarding your last post, I believe the biological phase will come relatively soon, but it will more likely be simple rather than complex or mysterious. For one thing, it will be absolutely vital that it appear to be NATURAL.
I certainly remember the testing for this phase, which also took place that first year, and sent so many people to emergency rooms all at once that hospitals were closing their doors. You may recall that 10,000 died in Britain, and 20,000 in the U.S. from "flu-like symptoms" in a year that CDC described as "very light" flu-wise.
I won't respond to the discussions regarding DNA, forced mutations, etc., because I cannot find any monetary reason for instituting such a program in a world where everything is driven by money and the power that money brings. In this way I am applying a bit of Occam's Razor to my own view of what is happening. Using the same tool, I feel that if we are under attack with multiple compounds known to attack the lungs, then a lung damaged population has to be the desired end result. There are simpler although much uglier reasons for doing this than tampering with DNA.
That, however, is best left for a fresh thread.
So we are looking for statistics reflecting lung damage (we can do other types of damage later) and any known way to easily test for EDB in the summer breeze.
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mark sky
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wildlands project
burn lanscape
depopulate
release radiation
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skizz
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http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_240395.html
Safety and Health Topics:
Ethylene Dibromide
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General Description
Synonyms: 1,2-Dibromoethane; Ethylene bromide; EDB
OSHA IMIS Code Number: 1140
Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS) Registry Number: 106-93-4
NIOSH, Registry of Toxic Effects (RTECS) Identification Number: KH9275000
Department of Transportation Regulation Number (49 CFR 172.101) and Guide: 1605 154
NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards, Ethylene Dibromide: chemical description, physical properties, potentially hazardous incompatibilities, and more
Exposure Limits
OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL) for General Industry: 29 CFR 1910.1000 Z-1 Table referred to Z-2 Table -- 20 ppm TWA; 30 ppm Ceiling (5 Minutes); 50 ppm Peak
OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL) for Maritime: 29 CFR 1915.1000 Table Z-Shipyards -- 25 ppm, 190 mg/m3 Ceiling; Skin
American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) Threshold Limit Value (TLV): Skin; Appendix A3 (Confirmed Animal Carcinogen with Unknown Relevance to Humans)
National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) Recommended Exposure Limit (REL): 0.045 ppm TWA; 0.13 ppm Ceiling (15 Minutes); Appendix A - Potential Occupational Carcinogen
Health Factors
National Toxicology Program (NTP) carcinogenic classification: Reasonably Anticipated to be Human Carcinogen
International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) carcinogenic classification: Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans
NIOSH Immediately Dangerous To Life or Health Concentration (IDLH): 100 ppm
Potential symptoms: Respiratory system, eye irritation; dermatitis with vesiculation; decreased sperm count, increased sperm abnormalities; SKIN ABS: nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps, diarrhea; lethargy; metabolic acidosis, liver and kidney damage; (carcinogenic)
Health Effects: Irritation-Eyes, Skin---Marked (HE14); Acute Toxicity---Liver, Kidney (HE4); Suspected Human Carcinogen (HE2)
Affected organs: Respiratory system, liver, kidneys, skin, eyes, testes
Notes: 1) Metabolized in the liver primarily by cytochrome P450 2E1 and conjugation with glutathione. 2) Serious toxic interactions between ethylene dibromide inhalation (20 ppm) and the drug disulfiram (an inhibitor of CYP2E1) have been reported in rat carcinogenicity studies. 3) Effects on sperm reported for workers exposed to peak levels less than 0.3 ppm.
Date Last Revised: 05/20/03
Literature Basis:
(symptoms of fatal exposure)
Letz, G.A., Pond, S.M., Osterloh, J.D., Wade, R.L. and Becker, C.E.: Two fatalities after acute occupational exposure to ethylene dibromide. JAMA 252(17): 2428-2431, 1984.
(sperm toxicity)
Ratcliffe, J.M., Schrader, S.M., Steenland, K., Clapp, D.E., Turner, T. and Hornung, R.W.: Semen quality in papaya workers with long term exposure to ethylene dibromide. Br. J. Ind. Med. 44(5): 317-326, 1987.
(metabolism)
Wormhoudt, L.W., Ploemen, J.H., de Waziers, I., Commandeur, J.N., Beaune, P.H., van Bladeren, P.J. and Vermeulen, N.P.: Inter-individual variability in the oxidation of 1,2-dibromoethane: use of heterologously expressed human cytochrome P450 and human liver microsomes. Chem. Biol. Interact. 101(3): 175-192, 1996.
(interaction with disulfiram)
Stein, H.P., Bahlman, L.J., Leidel, N.A., Parker, J.C., Thomas, A.W. and Millar, J.D.: Ethylene dibromide and disulfiram toxic interaction. Am. Ind. Hyg. Assoc. J. 39(7): A35-37, 1978.
Monitoring Methods used by OSHA
Laboratory Sampling/Analytical Method:
sampling media: Charcoal Tube (100/50 mg sections, 20/40 mesh)
analytical solvent: Xylene
maximum volume: 10 Liters maximum flow rate: 0.2 L/min (TWA)
minimum time: 5 Minutes maximum flow rate: 0.2 L/min (Ceiling)
minimum time: 5 Minutes maximum flow rate: 0.2 L/min (Peak)
current analytical method: Gas Chromatography; GC/ECD
method reference: OSHA Manual of Analytical Methods (OSHA 2 & Supplement)
method classification: Fully Validated
note: Sample must be refrigerated and analyzed as soon as possible.
On-Site Sampling Techniques/Methods:
device: Detector Tube
manufacturer: AUER/MSA
model/type: Trichloroethane-5, MSA P/N 487343, AUER P/N 5086-834
sampling information: follow manufacturer’s instructions
upper measurement limit: 700 ppm
detection limit: approx. 25 ppm
overall uncertainty: unknown
method reference: on-site air secondary (manufacturer)
device: Detector Tube
manufacturer: Gastec
model/type: 136L
sampling information: 1 stroke
upper measurement limit: 80 ppm
detection limit: approx. 4 ppm
overall uncertainty: unknown
method reference: on-site air secondary (manufacturer)
device: Detector Tube
manufacturer: Gastec
model/type: 136H
sampling information: 1 stroke
upper measurement limit: 210 ppm
detection limit: approx. 7 ppm
overall uncertainty: unknown
method reference: on-site air secondary (manufacturer)
device: Detector Tube
manufacturer: Matheson-Kitagawa
model/type: 8014-166S
sampling information: follow manufacturer’s instructions
upper measurement limit: 50 ppm
detection limit: approx. 1 ppm
overall uncertainty: unknown
method reference: on-site air secondary (manufacturer)
* All Trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
Revised: 14 October 2003
Safety and Health
Topics
Chemical Sampling Information:
Ethylene Dibromide
General Description
Exposure Limits
Health Factors
Monitoring
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Ken Welch in Houston
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:23 am
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Great work, Skizz!
I was going to say I've been looking for that information for years, but then I thought back and realized that after a lot of initial searching, I decided that I probably was not going to be the one to find it -- and stopped. I felt the best chance would be an insider in the industry who might come forward. We didn't have Google, then. The best search engines at that time were driven by submissions, and if no one submitted a site to be "spidered" then it just didn't show up. But enough of that. Let me just say that I'm really greatful for your contribution.
I think we are on our way to some serious testing! I was afraid I was going to have to watch E-Bay for a gas chromatography unit. Detector tubes open up a whole new world. I've already done a preliminary check and they are available. Of course the first question is, why? For something that is as severely restricted as EDB, who needs to test for it?
Which reminds me: you may recall that over the last couple years several companies have announced that they are developing small electronic sensors for chemical and/or biological agents. In one case, a firm announced that they were ready to roll on their first three models. The news release named the three things they would be detecting. Two were extremely hazardous chemicals that I think most people would recognize. The third, believe it or not, was Ethylene Dibromide. I couldn't help but wonder what the market was for electronic monitoring of EDB levels. There is some indication it can be used in certain manufacturing processes. I wonder...
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mark sky
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:06 am
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i would have to reiterate the above statements that EDB was at one time something that has been replaced by something "better", so looking for EDB perhaps is a dead end
what EDB did was
make clouds
penetrate clothing and skin
carry alternate DNA
lower host resistance
sink from point of application
it was developed in 1925
we know that the authorities lie routinely
but often they "misrepresent" the truth
when they lie
we know that paperclip brought them (saved)
at a time when the first atomic signal
went out from this planet
and soon the illegal government formed
and went underground
of all the planets orbiting suitable suns
this one is a little too cold to support those
that wish to migrate here
geoenginairing and man ipulation via aerosole
are apparent
now
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Wolf_Larson
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:54 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Ken Welch in Houston:
I've already done a preliminary check and they are available. Of course the first question is, why? For something that is as severely restricted as EDB, who needs to test for it?
Hazardous waste site clean up crews. 
Haz-Mat teams, etc.
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