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emfx13
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Teleportation
Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:57 am
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Danish Physicists in Bid to Teleport Actual Objects
Physicists in Århus and Copenhagen are going where no man has gone
before, leading a vanguard experiment to teleport physical objects.
Last weekend, daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende profiled a
startlingly futuristic experiment underway at Århus University.
Professor Eugene Polzik is leading a team of physicists in Århus and
Copenhagen, in a bid to teleport actual objects: to eliminate
physical objects from one place and recreate exact copies of them in
another pace.
Polzik's research has stirred the awe of the entire scientific world
in recent months. Most recently, the New Scientist acclaimed Polzik's
teleportation work as one of 2003's 12 most anticipated research
projects, on par with human cloning and the hunt for life on Mars.
Polzik's first teleportation break came in 1998, at the California
Institute of Technology, when a Russian-born American researcher,
together with a team of Danes and Americans, successfully teleported
a ray of light by a few centimeters. What was visually a minor feat
was actually a colossal breakthrough for science.
Now, Polzik's team in Denmark will make an ambitious attempt to
teleport a stream of gas, containing billions of atoms.
'The problem is that you can't have a copy and an original at the
same time. Therefore, we actually have to transfer information about
an object without knowing what it is we're transferring. But this is,
in fact, possible,' Dr. Polzik told Berlingske Tidende.
According to the newspaper, Polzik's team of researchers has already
successfully achieved a correlation between atoms on the quantum
physical level - a so-called entanglement - between two clouds of
gas. Researchers broke the existing quantum entanglement record, for
which scientists had connected just two to three atoms together.
Polzik told Berlingske Tidende that to unlock the key to
teleportation, researchers will have to actually transmit a complete
gas stream, using high-precision laser beams: a hugely complicated
feat of advanced physics.
The groundbreaking experiment will take place at Copenhagen's Niels
Bohr Institute, where Professor Polzik is poised to take over all
advanced research in teleportation technology.
According to Polzik, teleportation technology could be useful in the
future - but not for members of the Starship Enterprise. Researchers
can use teleportation principles in a new, futuristic kind of
computer with revolutionary speed and memory, known as the Quantum
Computer, as well as to encrypt messages. Quantum computer technology
has piqued the particular attention of the military sector worldwide,
as well as the IT industry, which is already hungry for its huge
economic potential.
Source: The Copenhagen Post
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Wed Mar 05, 2003 4:37 pm
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Hoople

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Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:21 pm
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I have always had a fascination and bit of fear in relation to the subject of teleportation. I suspect the fear part comes from watching the original FLY movie starring Vincent Price when I was just a youngun. That movie scared the hell out of me. Then came Star Trek and "beam me up Scotty." Teleportation, to me, has always seemed a thing that would eventually exist but when it would come into being a reality it would be way off in the future somewhere. I mean, the act of disassembling zillions of particles and then reassembling them back to the exact original only in a different space seemed overwhelming complex!
However, my viewpoint on teleportation has recently changed and it changed while I was reading the sci-fi book, Battlefield Earth(BE) by L. Ron Hubbard. Teleportation is a critical factor throughout the BE story and there are a couple of times where Hubbard describes how teleportation works. His description, for me, brought the subject of teleportation down to a doable simplicity, that is; in comparison to disassembling and reassembling zillions of billions of particles from one point in space to another. Following is the excerpt from BE where teleportation is discussed:
quote: BE excerpt Part 6 Chapter 5
....a Psychlo physicist named En had untangled the riddle. Prior to this, it was thought that teleportation consisted of converting energy and matter to space and then reconverting it in another place so it would assume its natural form. But this had never been proven. En had apparently found that space could exist entirely independent of time, energy, or mass and that all these things were actually seperate items. Only when comibined did they make up a universe.
Space was dependent only upon three coordinates. When one dictated a set of space coordinates one shifted space itself. Any energy or mass contained in that space thereupon shifted with the space shift.
In the matter of a motor such as this freighter had, it was just an enclosed housing in which space coordination could be changed. As the coordinates changed, the housing was forced to go along, and this gave the motor power. That explained why these planes were run by a switchboard and not a thrust through the air. They didn't have to have wings or controls. Much smaller housings in the tail and on each side had similar sets of coordinates fed into them to climb and bank. A series of coordiantes were progressively fed to the main motor and it simply went forward or backward as the housed space occupied each set of coordiantes in turn.
Teleportaion over vast distances worked the same way. Matter and energy were pinned to the space, and when it was exchanged with another space, they simply changed too. Thus matter and energy would seem to disappear in one place and appear in another. They didn't actually change. Only the space did.
BE excerpt from Part 26 chapter 1:
The "samespace" phenomena informed them that space "considered itself" identical on the principle of nearness. By a law of squares, the farther another point in space was away, the more "different" it was from the point of origin. Total difference did not occur until one reached a point approximately twenty-five thousand miles away.
Teleportation motors used this to run and they were quite different from transshipment functions. A motor ran on the principle that "samespace" resisted distortion heavily. The shorter the distance, the more the distortion. Thus the motor thrived on the refusal of space to distort. But here one was not moving an object; one was moving merely the position of the motor housing. You could even run a dozen motors in the same room and though they would cross-distort, they would function.
But to move an object cleanly, without destruction of it or harm to the transshipment rig, one had to have two sapces to coincide with each other, and space would not do that so long as it "considered itself' "samespace." You would get a mangled mess.
Referring to some technical science fiction in a sci-fi story as pssibly being a legitimate clue as to how to bring something into existence may seem ludicrous to some. However, read how Hubbard explains sci-fi in the folowing excerpt from the intro to BE.
quote: BE excert from Introduction:
So what would pure science fiction be?
It has been surmised that science fiction must come from an age where science exists. At the risk of raising dispute and outcry - which I have risked all my life and received but not been bothered by, and have gone on and done my job anyway - I wish to point out some things.
Science fiction does not come after the fact of scientific discovery or development. It is the hearald of possibility. It is the plea that someone should work on the future. Yet it is not prophesy. It is the dream that preceeds the dawn when the inventor or scientist awakens and goes to his books or his lab saying, "I wonder whether I could make that dream come true in the world of real science."
You can go back to Lucian, second century A.D., or to Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) - who founded modern dynamical astronomy and who also wrote Somnium, an imaginary space flight to the moon - or to Mary Shelley and her Frankenstein, or to Poe or Verne or Wells and ponder whether this was really science fiction. Let us take an example: a man invents an eggbeater. A writer later writes a story about an eggbeater. He has not, thereby, written science fiction. Let us continue the example: a man writes a story about some metal that, when twiddled, beats an egg, but no such tool has ever before existed in fact. He has now written science fiction. somebody else, a week or a hundred years later, reads the story and says, "Well, well. Maybe it could be done." And makes an eggbeater. But whether or not it was possible that twiddling two pieces of metal would beat eggs, or whether or not anybody ever did it afterward, the man still has written science fiction.
How do you look at this word "fiction?" It is a sort of homograph. In this case it means two different things. A professor of literature knows it means "a literary work whose contents is produced by the imagination and is not necessarily based on fact; the category of literature comprising works of this kind including novels, short stories, and plays." It is derived from the Latin fictio, a making, a fashioning, from fictus, past participle of fingere, to touch, form, mold.
But when we join the word to "science" and get "science fiction," the word "fiction" aquires two meanings in the same use: 1) the scinece used in the story is at least partly ficitional; and 2) any story is fiction. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language defines science fiction as "fiction in which scientific developments and discoveries form an element of plot or background; especially a work of fiction based on prediction of future scientific possibilities."
...science fiction has to do with the material universe and sciences; these can include economics, sociology, medicine, and suchlike, all of which have a material base.
But there is more to this: science fiction, particularly in its Golden Age, had a mission,.....one got the very solid impression that they were doing a heavy job of beating the drum to get man to the stars.
I am light years away from being a scientist and it has never been my intention to wear that hat. But, I do have gut feelings and intuitions, etc. that I have come to trust in and it is my "gut feeling" that if the scientists doing research on teleportation would begin to view teleportation as a system to switch space rather than switch particles I suspect they would make some remarkable headway.
Hoople
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emfx13
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Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:47 pm
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That was cool!!!Now i have to read the book,the movie was weak though. |
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Hoople

Joined: 27 Dec 2001
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Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:02 am
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When BE was released in 82' I read it then and thought it was a great sci-fi story. However, a lot of what was communicated in the story did not really connect if you know what I mean.
When the movie came out I couldn't wait to go see it. By then the details of the story had dimmed considerably. But I was very disappointed in the movie! This time in reading BE at page 450 I had to go rent the video and watch it. What can I say...it was painful! I could barley get through it. What ever the movie was it certainly wasn't Hubbard's BE. I encourage you to read it emfx13 - it's a good one.
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mick
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Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:32 pm
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The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle - knowing the region of probabilty of say, an electron, but never being able to pin down its exact location prevents as yet and possibly forever, the transportation of living matterand possibly non-living matter. That's why they have Heisenberg Compensators in Star Trek. It's a cop-out from unconcievable technology even for them!
The idea of recreating a replica in another place and destroying the original is not teleportation at all. In fact why the need to eliminate the original? |
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