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Thermit
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Interesting. So is the point to double the available recording space? |
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Mech
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:22 pm
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Schweeeet.
Aleady have a DVD/CD burner but that sure looks tasty! |
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Swamp Gas
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:52 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Thermit:
Interesting. So is the point to double the available recording space?
Yes, to 8.5 Gig on one side, 17 Gig on a double-sided.
Most movies are recorded on dual-layer, single-sided.
I also am hearing rumors of a 100 Gig Optical rewriteable, about the size of a thick floppie disc.
The 8.5 Gig DL will allow people to Master DVDs on a DVD itself, rather than the unreliable Digital Linear Tape. Think about it, if you are running a DLT for 8.5 gigs, you cannot even drop one bit on the stream. The DVD , like CD's, has some redundancy for error correction.
records and Tapes were fine for the time, but I will not miss the technolgy, only miss it for nostalgic purposes. I remember my cousin and I in 1956, listening to a scratchy 45 RPM of Elvis "Hound Dog", on her little single play machine. That's what I miss, the uniqueness of sound reproduction technolgy. With 24 bit/192 khz DVD-Audio, we have just about reached the Zenith of Sound Design. Next...Direct to brain transfer, analog speakers to handle up to 48 khz sound reproduction with Digital inputs, and the redesign of our brains to appreciate other forms of music (well, the last one may have to wait a bit!)
Mech,
You might just have to get one when the finances stabilize. Apple will be including one in their dual 3 GHZ G5. Can't wait!!!!
[Edited 5 times, lastly by swamp gas on 03-24-2004] |
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Mech
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:58 pm
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What's nice is how easily interchangable the drives are in the apple machine. Takes seconds to remove/replace.
Yeah bud...
Even nicer for you video/audio pros.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 03-24-2004] |
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Swamp Gas
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:02 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Mech:
What's nice is how easily interchangable the drives are in the apple machine. Takes seconds to remove/replace.
Yeah bud...
Even nicer for you video/audio pros.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 03-24-2004]
reading the article, you could probably get the cheaper internal IDE in the dual 2 GHZ G5. There is a slot in the G5 to add more IDE chains, so you master or slave the dual-layer writer.
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msu94
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:57 am
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Actually apparently some of the current single layer DVD burners will burn double layer, with just a firmware upgrade. Not sure how much double layer DVD disks will cost though, but at least I would not have to use DVD shrink, which is however a great program.
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Mech
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:23 am
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Great...
More Alex Jones DVDs to disseminate.
Police state 3 on 1 side....
Road to tyranny on the other.
Although if the blank CDs are too pricey why bother. |
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Swamp Gas
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:03 pm
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After asking my tech friends, and a seach of Sony, it seems that a Firmware Update is indicated for certain DVD-R drives to read dual-layer, but not not write. Msu94, if you have some other info, please share.
We can now share George Melies and others from the silent times, since they are also out of copyright.
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msu94
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:59 pm
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It has been successfully demonstrated on a Pioneer 106 model, and possibly on an HP drive too. Now that is not a guarantee the firmware will be released, but it has been shown to physically possible with some drives.
Here is some info
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?p=90662
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Swamp Gas
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:23 pm
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What I'm getting from this discussion and articles is the modified A06 may not write true dual layer capacity because of laser teperature limitations, writing at 2X. The 2X 100 mb video files are not any improvement on capacity, simply that older DVD-Rs can write on dual layer with firmware upgrade. What was mentioned is the possiblity of 8x DVD+-R being able to accomplish this. |
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msu94
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:54 am
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It sounds like it might only be possible on 8x burners anyways, due to laser strength. I have a 4x +/- BTC and it works just fine for my purposes. I use DVD Shrink for ripping movies and Nero for the final burn.
Want to know something that sucks? My liteon DVD ROM drive was not ripping fast enough, so I decided to flash its firmware, from within windows. However the update failed, my computer crashed to the blue screen of death, and would not reboot. Will not find the hard drive at all. Hope I am not totally screwed.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by msu94 on 03-27-2004] |
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Swamp Gas
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:35 pm
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Usually incorrect Firmware flash permanently fries the drive/FW. At that point, you might as well poop-can it, or send it in, but usually companies don't mail you firmware, and if they do, it is not cheap.
At this point we are using 6 Pioneer A04's, some firewire, some IDE, all with Mac OSX, and mostly for DVD-Audio and DVD-Video, so I usually write at 1X for data integrity.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by swamp gas on 03-28-2004] |
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msu94
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:03 pm
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I am still confused as to how a failed firmware flash to the DVD ROM could have affected the HD. I am hoping I can somehow salvage data from the HD, lots of photography and aviation photos I have taken that I would rather not lose.
What all do you do with your DVD burner set up? |
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Swamp Gas
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:11 pm
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Since the DVD burner is on the IDE chain, it is possible an IDE controller chip, or worse case, motherboard. I would try a good CD burner, with a known good IDE HD, and see if there is problems. Careful that the new HD is backed up. Also, check Master/Slave settings.
DO NOT rash that HD, the boot is probably bad, but not the data, We use a Mac program called DataRescue, and I think there is a PC version. Just make sure you have a fresh drive to move the data onto, and it may not rename everything the same names as the original. Costs about $60.
We use only one IDE in the Macs, and the rest are Firewire. The same rules apply for fireware updates in Macs as PCs. |
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