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Swedishoo
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ON and OFF Spraying ~ Must See ~
 Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:13 am
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Check out this On and Off spray. Kinda shoots the hell out of the atmospheric air pockets. This photo was taken and untouched (I also checked it's authenticity) by Phil, webmaster of Chemtrails Over Wisconsin.
Christy ~ Swedishoo
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Thermit
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Sun Aug 20, 2000 3:51 am
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 putt  putt putt putt putt...
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Falcon
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Tue Aug 22, 2000 4:26 pm
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Yup, sure looks like an engine surge to me. |
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Thermit
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Sun Sep 10, 2000 1:50 am
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From the Pratt-Whitney site:
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Surge
Surge is a disturbance of the airflow through the engine's compressor. It can be caused by a number of factors. It has also been called a stall, but this is an aerodynamic stall, not like the stall in a car's engine. In a surge the compressor blades lose their lift, much like an airplane wing when it stalls. Surges occur for a wide variety of reasons and usually result in loss of power for only a fraction of a second, although they can damage an engine. They are sometimes accompanied by a loud bang and a puff of smoke. They have been likened to a car engine's backfire.
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Phil
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Sun Sep 10, 2000 3:56 am
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Well I guess they kept the crash a secret, because within one minute of this photo, the aircraft stopped all emisions, and continued out of sight over the horizon, not changing altitude.
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goldrush
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Sun Sep 10, 2000 5:18 am
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Phil, can you describe the aircraft and time period passing. Why didn't you photograph a succession of photos? I have "puff" pics that would baffle just about anyone, unless they knew what the source was, or was there at the time they were created. I have seen dissipating contrails also which for just 5 minutes or so, would break up before dissipating into clean little chunks. If you photographed this photo to raise questions, then I pose mine to you. Tell more... Did you id the type of aircraft at least? |
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Phil
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Sun Sep 10, 2000 5:42 am
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Yes Goldrush,
The aircraft appeared all white, twin engine,707 type, not positive though.
I watched it leaving a heavy trail,continuous,thick!! when I first saw it coming from the east, at roughly the same altitude I see other aircraft, when it was right over head it started to show the broken trail, it seemed so apparent that it had run out of what ever it was releasing. I was doing chores at the time, and did not have the camera on my person, I ran to get it, and snapped the shot of the broken trail. I did take a couple of more shots, but all where of basically the same thing. I watched the aircraft continue on its coarse, it did not change alt. or speed that I could tell. and it did not leave any trail after the trail started breaking up. NONE not even normal forming ice crystal coming off the control surfaces. I have watched the skies for some time now, and this is the only time I have seen this, I have seen the aircraft turn on than off, to give the chem cloud a more "normal" apperance when it has spread out, seldem do I see the horizon to horizon trails anymore, which I think is strange in itself, if this was naturally occuring.
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Thermit
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Sun Sep 10, 2000 6:51 am
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Yeah, I see a lot of these short little trail segments. Recently observed a family of about 20 of short segments hanging over southwest part of town around 6:00pm. Two of these were freshly laid with very distinct beginning and ends. There were no continuous trails anywhere only these short segments, generally east-west in orientation, scattered randomly in a large section of the sky. The rest of the segments were in various degrees of expansion and were slowly drifting away.
Here are some other segment examples: Two Friends, Horizontal Dashes, Wolverine Claws.
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Deborah
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Mon Sep 11, 2000 5:13 am
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Thermit -
Re: "segments" - the sky over Boston was loaded with these on Friday, September 8, particularly in the early part of the day. There was no general "orientation" involved - frankly, they looked like a bunch of cigars scattered randomly about. Also, between ~10:30am and 4:00pm EDT there was quite a "production" of every formation type imaginable. Long trails stacking up along the coastline all morning; a dense, bright white curdled-looking wall cloud along the coast at ~2:30pm; assorted bizarre "cirrus" formations all day; at one point a blanket of deeply furrowed alto-cumulus to the west; long narrow bands of wimpy-looking cumulus dripping streams of god knows what as I watched.
We had similar "activity" on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of last week. I am talking "conditions" that change within 30 minutes from one visual reality to its absolute opposite.
On my way home from work Tuesday evening, August 29, the sky rapidly filled up with VERY low-altitude yellow cumulus between 5:00pm and when I got off the train at 5:30, at which point I photographed them. By 6:50pm, just prior to sunset, this "cumulus" had all but disappeared to be replaced, at higher altitude, by large expanses of haze which turned to those curdled-looking alto-cumulus type formations as I watched and photographed. I am talking a 20-30 minute time frame at most here.
I have to say that, at the very least, what I am observing here this summer is evidence of atmospheric instability. I personally feel there is more to it than that, involving a serious, chronic disturbance in atmospheric chemistry.
Those of you out west who aren't seeing the above-described, lucky you. May it last forever.
Photos on their way.
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Falcon
Joined: 04 Aug 2000
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Mon Sep 11, 2000 1:29 pm
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Can't wait to see those! 
Phil, what the hell are "normal forming ice crystals coming off the control surfaces"???
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Phil
Joined: 09 Sep 2000
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Mon Sep 11, 2000 3:49 pm
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Falcon.
If you are aware of how real contrails are formed, you know that it is not only the heat from engines that can make a contrail, the aircraft itself moving fast through cooler air can make athin contrail as the air moves over the control surfaces, ( the wings, flaps etc.) the speed of the air moving over these surfaces heats up as it moves over the surfaces, thus making a contrail.
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Tue Sep 19, 2000 3:58 pm
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Houston, Tuesday, September 19th 2000
They are at it again with the "strips". Observed one trail streching across sky and a pair of in-line Chemtrail strips. The ends of the strips were very defined as they had just been laid. This is a common technique for making the trails less obvious to the untrained eye, and a more natural effect after trail dispersal. |
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Thermit
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Mon Oct 02, 2000 7:07 pm
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Phil has caught another example of the "Trail Strip"....
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Mon Oct 02, 2000 7:29 pm
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On and off trails :
If the atmospheric water content is not consistent with altitude picture atmospheric "waves" of high water vapor content below a layer of low water vapor content much like waves on the ocean, then a jet will alternately pass through air that allows contrail formation and air that does not. This gives the appearance of a dashed line if the plane is flying at, or near the perpendicular to the waves. If the atmosphere is highly supersaturated, then the formed ice crystals may act as nucleation centers for a continual spreading of the contrail. In other words, the contrail actually causes the supersaturated moisture to condense, spreading out from its original path. This causes the formation of a cirrostratus cloud structure, far in excess of what would occur from a simple contrail.
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Mon Oct 02, 2000 7:41 pm
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Seeker,
There's no denying the natural phenomenon that you speak of.
However, I have personally witnessed a sky full of these strips that is in no way consistent with that phenomenon.
For example I might buy the wave theory for strips oriented like this:
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But when the orientation is more like this, it doesn't fit the theory:
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