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Boomer Chick
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 Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:13 am
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Did the psychedelic experience from 30+ years ago, initiate and actvate the neural pathways to experience self-induced pineal gland release that is now know as OBE and meditative states?
That's a good one! In my case, I don't know if my experiences in my early twenties opened me to spirituality more than if I wouldn't have experimented. How can I know that personally? We can look at others who've never done hallucinogens and such and see that they experience OBE's, reach meditative states, commune with spiritual entities, and realize spiritual realities. So obviously, chemicals whether from nature or the lab are not the ONLY way to greater enlightenment!
Yes, I love the Beatles always will. A special time, now, don't make me cry! Yes, Bob Dylan turned them on and they took off a bit, like we all did. Did they continue? Did they feel the need to review the experience again and again?
And as far as Africans? Which civilizations advanced the farthest? The northern ones or the southern ones? My feeling about the evolution and progress of a species is that the weather influenced adaptation and invention much more so than anything else. That's just my 2 cents!
We moved to a conservative area of the country and it was very hard for us to relate to ppl who hadn't ever experienced what we did. But as life went on, these kinds of relating levels held less and less meaning. But when we do meet people who can say that they've experimented in the past, an instant bond is created immediately! I can't explain it, but I do know you know what I'm talking about ! We can love everyone, no matter what, but those comrads from the past, who made it, who reflect back on it, who didn't "overdue" it --- well, they KNOW what we KNOW and it was a fabulous time!
Children come, life changes, and personal growth becomes primary to happiness! I'm glad I was moderate and careful in my intake and experiences as I wouldn't have forgiven myself if I had caused my brain or body any damage! I didn't have any guides except my friends and luckily they were all nice people as I look back! Now, this ecstasy stuff and the quality of various LSD's is not as benign as it was then. The dopamine and seratonin levels with ecstasy get screwed up for life with that stuff!
I was always an "in moderation" girl and kept my balancing acts together. Maybe we could share "trips" sometime onboard? Or would that be unwise for prying eyes?
Shrooms? Oh yeah! We've done them, and peyote, too! Don't know if I will ever be up to it again, though. I like feeling healthy and non-stressed so much so that I even watch my alcohol intake, even though a great Bombay Safire (2) with a superb meal is still a treat a couple of times a year! I also watch my glucose levels aware that carbs at night and any refined carbs and too much sugar messes with my metabolism.
So, experience is the teacher! Eh?
Love your cool cat phrase! You old beatnik, you! Still have long hair?
Love and peace,
bc
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Swamp Gas
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Location: On a Hill in the Lowlands |
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Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:19 pm
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Boomer,
European civilization was a combination of Mongolians and Light-skinned Africans. Albinos were either killed or fled African tribes, because they were thought of as devils. Thus they formed what is now know as Western Civilization.
The activation of previously dormant neural circuits is the only thing that makes sense, because early humans were just discovering speech, agriculture, and creativity. If you've ever read Robert Anton Wilson's, "The Cosmic Trigger", he goes into much greater detail. Weather and climate had an influence, but less on psionic development than physical mutations and adaptations.
Ah, The Ecstasy Propaganda. This is one of the most feared drugs. Why? The government and Partnership for a Drug Free America has used the same lies and half-truths that it has for every other enlightening drug. I have talked to many doctors and naturopaths, and the conclusion is the same....Worse mistake the DEA ever made. Kids are not given the correct information. They think this drug can be taken night after night, week after week. It cannot. Serotonin releasers must be compensated by various nutrients and vitamins, such as Gingko, St John's Wort, Niacin, Selenium, Hawthorne Berries, and Vit C, amongst others. Also, lots of water and cool down. With that in mind, once every six months, if you decide to do it. The scoop is, young adults who consume LSD and Ecstasy, are generally smarter and more empathic people, and that's why they are drawn to them instead of cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. they know the government in lying to them, and they respond by over-consuming.
Here's a brief history of MDMA, or Ecstasy. My wife and I tried it when it was legal, and was prescribed by a Stanford University Psychologist. At this time, in the early 80's, they were using it in marriage counseling. The standard school of thought on a marriage problem was sit and talk sit and talk sit and talk.......With a 10% success rate, it was not doing so good. So, doctors in Europe and the US, figured out that with it's dropping of social fear circuitry, it was a conductor of open discussion. The "guide" or psychologist would talk the drug with the couple, and guess what?.......90% success rate. Of course, my wife and I had no problems, but it strengthened our bond even more. It actually shuts down the sex drive a bit, and facilitates open conversation, so one doesn't think of screwing as much as opening up the True Love Circuit. Another aspect to think about is the fear of The Straights of anything reminding them of the 60's. We scared the living piss out of them back then, and we still do now. The Rave Culture is the living embodiement of the 60's, and a lot of then are becoming more politically aware.
Then along comes the orthodox psychiatry association. We can't have that....A drug that could put us out of business.....There you have it....MONEY$$$$$$$$$ at the bottom of the propaganda, and the fact is the Moral Police want kids to consume alcohol, as their only legal choice. I watched my mother-in-law, a good friend, and an uncle get destroyed by booze. Try drinking a lot, and compare the effects of taking Ecstasy twice a year to drinking hootch every day. But you are allowed to do that if you want. Linear people like us all to consume linear drugs.
So I am not advocating Ecstasy or psychedelics, but we as a society have to be careful of propaganda on every level. Even to the point of poisoning kids with bogus drugs, and put the blame on the real deal. BTW, We have been to Raves, and I love it the way 18 year olds are accepting of a rocking 53 year old, dancing with me and my wife. reminds me of a Grateful Dead Concert or a Be-In from the 60's.
Don't have long hair anymore, but still have a full head. Was down to my waist in 1968-72, and cut it then. Still am a Beatnik, Hippies, Raver, and Cyberounk.
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/x_01.htm
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/mdma/therapeutic.html
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/dangers.htm
[Edited 2 times, lastly by swamp gas on 10-17-2003] |
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Boomer Chick
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
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Location: Colorado |
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Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:20 am
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Interesting, SG!
All of it!
I have read a lot about ecstasy and if you say the moderate intake of such a drug is doable and not harmful to the body in the parameters you gave.... so be it!
It's too bad that many young people do not know this. Their experimenting is weekly and within a month the damage has been done. It's not a friendly drug by any means.
Thanks for the links!
Now, what about spirituality as a way to joy and love in relationships?
bc 
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