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billder
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And another:
...Even apart from armageddon, the prevailing image for the fundamentalist is the image of war, rationalised and justified as a crusade. Among the casualties already incurred in this war have been books. If the printed word can serve to convey the will of God, it can also, the fundamentalist believes, convey the will of Gods adversary. In consequence, the last few years (80’s) have witnessed a new wave of censorship in the United States. In communities in more than 30 American states, major works of both fiction and non-fiction have been banned -- not only from schools, and school libraries, but from public libraries as well, so that even adults do not have access to them. All of this is part of what the fundamentalist “Liberty Federation (The Moral Majority) describes as its crusade against the “religion of secular humanism”. In theory, the only grounds for acting against a book are supposed to be obscenity, pornography, or unsuitability for minors. In practice, books have been condemned for sexual explicitness (Even biology texts), for the depiction of “Unorthodox family arrangements”, for unflattering representations of American Authority, for criticism of business and corporate ethics, for questionable political ideas, and for speculation about Christ. The list of works to have come under attack includes Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Soul On Ice by Eldridge Cleaver, The Naked Ape by Desmond Morris, The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath, Goodbye Columbus and Portnoys Complaint by Philip Roth, Jaws by Peter Benchley, The Abortion and other novels by Richard Brautigan, Manchild In The Promised Land by Claude Brown, Kramer vs. Kramer by Avery Corman, The Godfather by Mario Puzo, Catch-22 by Joseph Heller, 1984 by George Orwell, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck, The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm, The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe, Lord Of The Flies by William Golding, A Farewell To Arms by Ernest Hemingway, The Catcher In The Rye by JD Salinger, established 19th century classics by Mark Twain, Robert Louis Stevenson, Nathaniel Hawthorne, and Edgar Allen Poe, and (most perplexingly) One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn -- not to mention the American heritage dictionary and the dictionary of American slang.
As we have said, fundamentalists see themselves as engaged in a war against the anti-christ, whom they usually regard as embodied by communism and the soviet union. And yet, paradoxically, the consequence of many fundamentalist policies tend to further precisely the very objectives of the anti-christ they purport to oppose. By advocating American isolationism, for example, and by issuing dire pronouncements about the EEC, fundamentalism is in effect seeking to alienate the United States from her most important allies, driving a wedge into NATO. By proscribing books such as those listed above, fundamentalism is in effect alienating America herself from her own cultural heritage and her most intelligent citizens -- if not, indeed, from intelligence in general. No calculated program could possibly be more congenial to the aims of the KGB. One could reasonably argue that fundamentalism is in fact doing the KGB’s work for it.
From the Messianic Legacy Lincoln Leigh Baigent
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Mech
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Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:20 am
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I think a great many people would disagree with these words. A lot of people find a way for themselves through biblical interpretation. Some follow the teachings of Christ. Some follow the teachings of Buddah, or Hinduism, Taoism etc.I agree on one point. FUNDAMENTALISM can be bad. As can Christain Supremacy or Islamic Supremacy etc. These things go against what those religions are supposed stand for.
Who is ANYONE to say who is right? I have my beliefs and no meathead is going to tell me what to believe in or accuse me of being "brainwashed" by religion etc.
Again, FREEDOM OF RELIGION is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
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Raelven
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Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:09 am
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If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance
and sing!
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps,
Just purse your lips and whistle,
That's the thing!
And...
Always look on the bright side of life!
Always look on the right side of life,
For life is quite absurd,
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin!
Give the audience a grin...
Enjoy it! It's your last chance, anyhow.
So,
Always look on the bright side of death,
Just before you draw your terminal breath!
Life's a piece of s!@#, When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke,
It's true!
You'll see it's all a show,
Keep 'em laughing as you go,
Just remember that the last laugh is on you!
And...
Always look on the bright side of life....
*whistles*
/salute MP
Ah... I feel much better, now!
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Elen síla lumenn' omentielvo! |
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billder
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Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:04 pm
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Mech, its easy to be disparaging and to resort to name calling, its actually why the world is the way it is today, this mind set....I am not attempting to preach, heaven forbid, but if you are truly sincere about wanting a better world, self-education through reading is all that will do it, the change will come from within ourselves, not from some pulpit as the basket is passed around....I personally find these words above extremely well put, and pertinent, which as you say, is my right, so I attempt to share. To downplay mind control in the USSA is tantamount to wearing blinders, it in itself, is mind control....And hey you Elven one, you of the faire folk, me have not forgotten to dance and sing, and I even do it as if no one were watching! Thanks for your nice poem....b
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Raelven
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Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:14 am
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B- glad you took it in the spirit which it was meant  I wish I could take credit but I must confess, this belongs to Monty Python (rent "The Life of Brian" if you've never seen it... or even if you have!).
Silliness is very under-rated in this world.
Rae the "*BLTS" Elven
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SnowbirdAngel
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:10 am
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I don't know how you all survive. I have been studying Bible prophecy for 24 years. I have found that the prophecy's are being fulfilled in our daily news. This really encourages me, because I know Jesus is the answer to the worlds problems, not man. If I didn't beleive this I would be totally insane. I have peace in Jesus. I know God is in control although it appears satan is, but he is only got a temporary time to rule this earth. Yes he is ruling until Jesus second coming. Yet God is still the all authority. We are living in yhe time of Gods judgement. If you don't give your life to Jesus you will see the full wrath. I realize I may die a matyr for Jesus, but I will not serve the antichrist. I realize the churches have been infiltrated with alot of false doctrine. This is Satans combat zone. I am sorry that most of you have been hurt by the church. Satan has used the church to hurt people from the beginning. The Bible is something that you can trust and the holy spirit. You need to ask the Holy spirit to guide you and then watch out for the counterfiet of the Holy Spirit. Satan decieves in any way he can. If you sincerily ask god to lead you he will. James 1;5 any that ask for wisdom will find it. Jesus loves you all give him a chance.There really is no other hope. |
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JerseyBluEyz
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:46 am
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Snowbird Angel:
It truly is wonderful that you have found inner peace through your personal beliefs – ultimately that is our goal – to find peace. I’d like to share my beliefs with you, which give me my inner peace. I believe there is a Creator, the One, who created All That Is – including the negative forces – and that everything has a polar opposite, a balance. I believe Jesus was merely one of many teachers of truth concepts. The Holy Bible is a book of life and is full of truths and the characters symbolically represent the ideas in one’s own mind. The Bible was written by man and incorporated many Pagan rituals and themes so that its concepts would be easily accepted (no offense intended!). There is much evidence to substantiate this statement. No religion or thought system has a “hold” on the truth. God (he/she) is also not in any particular place of worship. The Creator of All exists everywhere and is in everything.
P.S. I have also studied the Bible and revert to it often. 
That said, I’m pasting something, previously posted elsewhere. This holds a lot of meaning and rings true for me. Peace!
Copyright 1991 by Ken Carey
While the spirit dispassionately reviews sensory input with the clear-sighted objectivity of eternal awareness, the ego, on the other hand, proceeds differently. Its way of utilizing and experiencing the branching, treelike human nervous system is unlike the spirit’s. The ego feels the human nervous system subjectively, sensuously, slowly, and in detail, taking time to groom and care for the body and attend to its needs. Though different, the ego’s and the spirit’s respective uses of the human nervous system are both vital, both essential to a balanced incarnate experience.
When the fall occurred, the entire human determination of “good and evil” shifted over to the ego’s slower and more cumbersome manner of interpreting/digesting/eating the sensory input of the human nervous system. This slow, cumbersome, rational analysis of sensation played a necessary role in the ego's designated range of responsibility, but by its very nature it was subjective. Guided and directed by the spirit, the ego provided a valuable investigative tool for in-depth studies of a material nature. However, without the overview of the spirit it became truly myopic. By nature, the ego’s view of itself and its surroundings was partial and incomplete. Its slower but highly specified left-brain analysis of sensory information was a powerful and – even after the fall – fully operational vehicle for terrestrial research and development. Yet without the spirit’s direction it made no difference how well the left-brain process operated. The mind was like a high-powered vehicle driven blindly.
A lonely ego, defining itself in mortality and isolation, lacks the scope and expansiveness of the spirit. When it single-handedly attempts to operate a human mind, it is like a toddler wearing the oversized garments of an adult. It feels smothered beneath something made for another and larger being. It does not have the energy needed to use such an exquisite biological tool. Without the spirit the ego is capable of using only about 10 percent of the brain’s capacity, and even then its observations and conclusions are often inaccurate.
A mind that conceives of itself as fundamentally separate from all that it perceives is an instrument of division. It can do nothing but divide, analyze, compartmentalize, and dissect. Everything on which it turns its attention is reduced to disconnected segments, while the spirit, the life of the whole, is forgotten. With the fictitious premise that it is fundamentally distinct from both God and nature lying at the root of its thinking it is not capable of reason, for its premise is a lie.
Only the spirit has the necessary energy, intelligence, and operational software to use the full capacity of the human mind. When the awareness of spirit fills a human mind, it is an instrument of unity, an instrument of harmony, an instrument of cooperation, creation, understanding. It becomes a transformational vortex, a channel through which universal awareness can flow into this physical world.
As a component in the spiritual structure of the universal intelligence flowing through humankind into the earth, egoic thought has a valued place, but when functioning in isolation without the overview of the spirit, its reasoning, prone as it is to fearful exaggeration, creates chaos, disorder, and disease. Perceiving separation where none exits, imagining itself, its species, the plants, animals, even the world itself as existing in fundamental distinction, egoic thought separated from spirit is devastating to people, to the environment, and to the other life-forms who share that environment.
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Swamp Gas
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:36 am
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For me,Technology that is imbued with Love, Wisdom, Understanding, Communication, Motion, and a Sense of Humor.
Nothing More....Nothing Less.......
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billder
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:12 pm
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billder
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:27 pm
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This is for that blue eyed jersey person....thats a very nice little schpiel you posted, thanks, but it is very long winded don't you think?...and there is way too much confusion in this world already...in fact, thats corps medias whole game; media complicates and distracts by trying to assign and define the spirit and that is bogus too...I would not be surprised if the person you quoted is corps media, they are very good at mixing things up....in my younger days was occasionally accused of talking to hear myself talk...this person which you posted here is writing to read themselves write methinx...
Spirit is everywhere, and we are a miniscule part of the overall spirit here....the writer above is arrogant in the sense that their viewpoint is centered on the human, versus all life, and they have no clue what we humans have lost spiritually in the last century or so...i mean, it shows....a great zions fiction story...to be unaware of what we have lost will eventually cause chaos (ITS COMING!!!) and THAT explains a lot about the world today....many of us believe organized religion was invented to control people by dumbing them down from their true spirituality and that does rather show in this world we inhabit now...America, by its own choice, now has a king and a lord, no? The very essence of what our founding documents were written AGAINST...b
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JerseyBluEyz
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Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:49 am
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billder:
No, I don’t think the schpiel was long winded at all. If you do that’s fine. It could actually have been much longer. Besides, you didn’t have to read it if it didn’t interest you. And again no, the writing is not based on any organized religious belief – it is based on the spirit within (the part that connects each one of us to the other). The writing explains that a balanced mind must exist to assimilate true (physical and spiritual) awareness. That’s all.
Billder quotes:
Spirit is everywhere, and we are a miniscule part of the overall spirit here.
Many of us believe organized religion was invented to control people by dumbing them down from their true spirituality and that does rather show in this world we inhabit now.
I agree 100%!!! So I really don’t understand what you got out of it or what you’re getting at – sorry. And I'm not going to argue with you about it. Take it, or don't take it, for what it's worth.
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SnowbirdAngel
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Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:27 am
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Lulu I don't know if you realize this but look back at the first to replys to this post. You say the church decieved you as a child, but it was not the church but your family. I see you learned the idea of loving your nieghbor as yourself by your second post. Think about it. I pray for God to reveal himself to you. yours truly |
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Dionysus
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Sat Nov 29, 2003 8:23 am
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Many of us believe organized religion was invented to control people by dumbing them down from their true spirituality
that a bunch of crap..."religion" was and is designed by God to promote and instill fellowship in communities...of the people and of spirit...control you say ? doing what's right is not being controlled, it is what's right...period...mortals cannot take religion and justify it for their own beliefs...
that is softcore satanism...
there's one book that's been around in circulation for a longtime...
read it |
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