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Bhang
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Evil Empire?
 Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:27 am
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America's war against Iraq, has upset the entire globe. Iraq is understandably pissed, but even NATO -- an organization dedicated around the idea that an armed attack against a member is considered an armed attack on all its members -- can't seem to figure out what to do about America.
Who better to ask than the Church of Satan ?
But before we dive right in, there are some things you should know about these Satanists. They don't worship goats or do anything special with virgins. According to Peter H. Gilmore, they don't believe in gods or devils or the afterlife. And there is no such thing as absolute good or absolute evil. It's all kinda relative, depending on your personal interests.
So it follows that in this kind of Satanism, political philosophy is an individual's choice. And while this means there's no Satanic Right or Satanic Left on the horizon, their views are remarkably patriotic. What they essentially believe, is that life should be lived in the pursuit of pleasures, and we only get one chance to do it.
Sounds like America to us. [No, really.] Let's see what Peter H. Gilmore, high priest of the Church of Satan, has to say:
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BT: Let's get right into it. America thinks Iraq is evil. Iraq thinks America is evil. Which side is the Church rooting for?
PG: Most Church of Satan members would support victory for the United States, since its secular form of government, as well as its culture, promotes individualism and freedom. This secularism is seen as "Satanic" by fanatical Muslims and rightly so -- from their perspective. The architects of the U.S. Government were Freemasons and they held many Satanic values, so we feel that Americans should embrace the role they give to us as "The Great Satan."
Should a fundamentalist Islamic regime come to power, they would obviously treat Satanists as enemies of the state. To support that outcome would not be a wise choice for Satanists.
Does the Church support wanton violence and destruction?
Violence must be seen in context in order to determine whether it is an offense or a boon to the observer. As an American, should our nation be at war, the violence inherent in the destruction of enemy targets would be seen as positive, whereas violence done against the country would be viewed as a negative -- though necessary -- consequence of war.
Okay, with that in mind, how did the events of September 11 effect the Church of Satan? What did you tell Satanists?
Satanists view the terrorist attacks by Islamic fundamentalist fanatics as more evidence that pairing spiritual doctrines with governments that are capable of wielding force is dangerous. If a government concerns itself with the secular -- not enshrining or enforcing a particular religious position -- then it can be a sane structure that promotes freedom of choice.
This danger of those who feel they are the "one true way," has long been noted by Satanists. The past couple of millennia have shown how dangerous Christianity has been. Particularly when it has been supported by the state, Christians have spilled oceans of blood in struggles between not only their religion and other religions, but in internal denominational differences of opinion.
The recent acts by terrorists have powerfully confirmed our position, and provided the world with ample evidence to recognize the validity of our point of view.
Saddam Hussein has gassed his own people with chemical weapons and committed innumerable atrocities. As you've said earlier, the Church believes that might makes right. So, Hussein's okay, right?
Rights are privileges doled-out by governments. Ultimately, Hussein will have to suffer the consequences of his actions. If his people willingly submit to his rule of violence, then he can get away with continued atrocities against them. However, he is but one man -- he could be deposed if a sufficient number of his subjects reject his actions. Whoever finally wins will write the history books and justify their actions.
C'mon, tell us. Who is more Satanic -- America or Iraq?
America is absolutely a Satanic nation, by our definition. Iraq is yet another spiritually oriented nation that is ruled by a despot -- business-as-usual considering the history of the governments on this world. We see the U.S. as being very unique in history, the world's first Satanic republic, and so it is important to many Satanists.
America is preparing to go to war without France and Germany and Russia onboard. Cats and dogs are living together. Mass hysteria in the streets. What does the Church of Satan think about our diplomatic stance?
The Church itself has nothing dogmatic to say. Satanism is a philosophy of pragmatism, and embraces the concept that the ends justify the means. Unfortunately, Satanists don't have access to enough data to accurately predict the consequences of this conflict, so we cannot presently say what would be a better mode of action.
I was hoping you guys had the inside track. Can't America just talk this thing out?
Would diplomacy work?
Perhaps not. The terrorists -- and the governments that support them -- are apparently not rational, basing their decisions on idealistic spiritual principles. They are fanatics who cannot come to terms with practical solutions that allow for a diverse global society. To them, life is cheap. They believe in afterlife rewards. Satanists cherish their lives, and don't want to waste them, so we support the government that we trust will allow for our joys to be attained.
Perhaps it would have been wiser for the U.S. to have engineered Hussein's assassination and installed a government through covert means that would have rounded-up and destroyed those who wish to commit acts of terrorism against the U.S. government and its citizens. Machiavellian approaches often work better than the bald, "moralistic" confrontations of war.
Terrorists have that whole "might is right" philosophy down pat. Aren't they equally justified?
To be precise, their philosophy is that Allah is right, and they are justified in using any means at their disposal to bring the world under the dominion of their religious perspective. But like everyone else, they must suffer the consequences of their actions. If they rile-up a nation capable of rallying enough force to destroy them -- and such force may destroy many of their associates and families as well -- then that is what has been conjured.
The survivors may then see that it was Might, not Allah, who was the victor. I see this as a battle between a Western secular society and an eastern fanatical despotic religious society. I trust that the West's technology and passion for freedom will vanquish those who use force to bring others under the yoke of their religious doctrines.
Peace activists say war is evil. How do you feel about war?
War is only evil to you if you suffer from its consequences. At times, even people on the losing side have benefited from its aftermath, particularly when the "conqueror" pumps in all manner of aid to rebuild the conquered nation.
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Third eye vision.
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Mech
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:11 am
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Im real turned off by Satanists.
"Do what thou wilt" was Aliester Crowly's philosiphy and he was a Satanist and Golden Dawn inductee. He SERIOUSLY believed in the RA/illuminati sect and the power it may provide. I think that s**t is WAYYYY on the wrong side.
"Satanism is a philosophy of pragmatism, and embraces the concept that the ends justify the means"
That's Machavellian....same philosiphy the NEO-CONS are using for THEIR goals.
Bush SR. is 100% illuminist and probably one of the most dangerous men in America...mabye even moreso than "DOC" Kissinger.
I'd stay away from that s**t if I were you.
I put my faith in the creator personally....who ever, or whatever that may be. I certaily wont follow man or a pyramidal illuminati cult.
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Bhang
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:52 am
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Don't get the wrong idea Mech. I just think it is good to know your advisary's point of view. I'm in no way connected with the Church Of Satan nor do I adhere to their philosophies. Besides, what Peter H. Gilmore says seems to be the overall opion of the men in power and despite his choice of "faith" seems to be a rather intelligent man. |
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Swamp Gas
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:40 pm
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Satanists cannot exist without Christians. They perpetually feed each others existence. Talk about Conspiracies!
"Do what thou wilt" should be suffixed with, "and harm no living creature", in my opinion.
It's just another organized religion as far as I'm concerned, and when you start mixing religions together, each Operating System, or dogma, compounds the total dogma. Mixing Paganism with Capitalism brings on the Illuminati and Satanism. Mixing Christianity with Capitalism brings on Fundamentalism. Captitalism always leads to Fascism.
In a true spiritual sense, Satanism is a perverted form of Paganism. Born-Again Christianity is a warped version of the Gnostics. Personally, I could not see why Jesus WAS NOT a Pagan, since the Essenes were more nature worshipping than the people who transcribed The Bible. Now I know some people thought I was being anti-Christian. Nope! I just interpret Jesus differently than the Bible does. I still think Jesus was cooler and wilder than the current image.
I like The Unified Field Theory, and having respect to all sentient beings, as my Operating System.
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Bhang
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:47 pm
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Well put.
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the professor
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Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:16 am
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Quote..
In a true spiritual sense, Satanism is a perverted form of Paganism. Born-Again Christianity is a warped version of the Gnostics. Personally, I could not see why Jesus WAS NOT a Pagan, since the Essenes were more nature worshipping than the people who transcribed The Bible. Now I know some people thought I was being anti-Christian. Nope! I just interpret Jesus differently than the Bible does. I still think Jesus was cooler and wilder than the current image.
I like The Unified Field Theory, and having respect to all sentient beings, as my Operating System.
That last sentence is what God would like us to obey as far as I can tell. You know it's interesting to hear what turns non christains off to christianity and not surprisingly it's christains. I can personally tell you that through my studies and wanderings that I saw and experienced lots of christain people and churches along my path of life, and during that path found many to be spiritually dead, evil posession, people that were misled into a cultic religion in some and others that were pretty much christain but yet no perfection. So with all that I said basically that I'm not going to affiliate with any chuch because in my opinion most are way off based and is it any wonder why most are deemed as hypocrites.
To me in doesn't matter who or what you are, your human and your bound to be a screwup in life like everybody that has ever walked the earth before us. We are mistake prone and basically a species that learns through fault of it's own. Some might think of it as a copout way of looking at life but to me it has taught me to not hate those that I oppose in life and wasting all that energy on being negative but instead understanding that life is not perfect and being able to let it roll off. As far as Jesus as being a pagan you know I disagree with you there but to be honest wouldn't Jesus be conservative on issues and yet liberal in others? I think thats how He would be. For instance he would not turn away the poor and unfortunate (not necessarily those that were able to work and are being slothful) I think He would have some excellent social programs under what would probaly be a monarchy being He is the King. He'd probaly be conservative during harvest time being that there could be and upcoming drought. I think you can understand what I'm getting at. But ultimately it should come down to what God had originally designed for man, freedom of will. Now if God gave us the freedom to govern our own lives under ten basic commandments what order of providence does another man have over another man at his freedom of will. An interesting thought none the less. |
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Swamp Gas
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Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:48 pm
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Prof,
You are 100% correct in saying ones actions make one a good and kind person, and not their beliefs. We all possess varying degrees of conservative and liberal views, and that is what we call balance. When one goes to far in either direction, a Hitler or a Stalin can happen.
Since Jesus is the basis for Christianity, being the Son of God and all that, the different ways of seeing him can be accepted. There are Vegetarian Christians, Pagan Christians, Fundamentalist Christians, Catholics, and so on. Jehovah's Witnesses pretty much ignore Jesus, Politics, economics, and go straight to Yahweh. Some people even use the name of God and Jesus to murder and kill, I'd call them Christian Satanists (talk about contradictions).
When I say Jesus was a Pagan, that does not mean there is evil inside him. I know some Pagans that are lovely, kind, and generous people. The same with Christians I know. Of course, there is just the opposite. There are Christians and Pagans that I would count my fingers after shaking hands with. It still comes down to the Love that our parents gave to us as children that counts the most. |
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Bhang
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Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:54 pm
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Ok, I HAD to post a reply because this was a little too wierd.
I was reading the forum and noticed this:
Spirit - 666 post - Evil Empire
(which was about Satanic views)
What are the odds? Meant to be? A sign? A Omen? Most likely not but I just couldn't let that ride... I made this the 667 post.
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JerseyBluEyz
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Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:40 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Bhang:
Ok, I HAD to post a reply because this was a little too wierd.
I was reading the forum and noticed this:
Spirit - 666 post - Evil Empire
(which was about Satanic views)
What are the odds? Meant to be? A sign? A Omen? Most likely not but I just couldn't let that ride... I made this the 667 post.
There are no coincidences! Funny you should bring up 666 - I've seen it come up quite a few times lately myself (and now again).
And what am I missing here - I don't see 666 or 667 anywhere. Where are you picking up these numbers?
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Bhang
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Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:58 pm
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to the left <
I clicked "Chemtrail Forum" and under "Topic" is listed all possible boards to post on.
Chemtrail Science
Other Trails
UFO's, Advanced Technology
etc, etc, etc...
then to the right of that it says how many post and post name... I know you know this.
Anyways, it doesn't say it anymore. |
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JerseyBluEyz
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Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:14 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Bhang:
Anyways, it doesn't say it anymore.
Hmmmm! It was MEANT for your eyes. I love it when synchronicity comes to play! Think you might research the symbolism behind 666 now?
And thanks for answering me.  |
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