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defender
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Found it Citizens Against UFO Secrecy or
CAUS. www.caus.org but I couldn't get to it.
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Mon Jul 16, 2001 2:38 am
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I am going to attempt, once again, to remind you folks of the reality of 'fifth columnist' infiltration tactics.
Chemtrail websites don't disappear off of the face of the earth by accident.
Trust in leadership is not methodically dismantled by accident.
The people that have decided to jump into these shark infested waters are going to have to learn how to swim.
Or they will continue to be devoured. |
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chemtrailsorg
Joined: 03 May 2001
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Tue Jul 17, 2001 6:39 am
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The sooner we learn to be objective about this situation, and be as big as the events that are unfolding in front of us the better for all of us.
Persistent contrails are now in my opinion understood to the point where major scientists and authorities are coming out on the web and making their line heard to try to balance out the rhetoric and outright unsubstantiated claims. These claims are hurting the progress towards finding the truth in my opinion.
We must understand this issue to the point that our opinions will be credible when held next to the official line. Otherwise we will lose in the point counter point and lose the public debate.
We have to head into this issue with an informed and scientific approach or all these claims are going to get shot down.
We have got to have better and direct evidence in real time in order to bring this issue the light it needs for a conclusion.
For instance the LIDAR Contrail studies done by NASA and lead by Russian Scientist Michael Mishchenko used the light refraction index of water vapor for their studies according to Mishchenko in his email to me.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/~crmim/publications/
The paper describes T-matrix computations of lidar depolarization
and comparisons with lidar observations. All computations were done
for the refractive index 1.311, i.e., assuming pure ice. This is
consistent with the usual belief that water ice is the major
constituent of contrail particles. Extensive microphysical and chemical
modeling of contrails was done by other researchers. Ken Sassen is a
leading expert on this subject and may provide further details.
I hope this helps.
Michael
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My thinking on this is that they could calibrate the test to the refractive index of the suspect Hygroscopic Sulfate particulate.
In this way and using the test between the JP-8+100 fuel and the regular JP-8 Fuel stocks in a side by side test we could establish if this was the main factor that was the cause of the military's recorded increased persistent contrails.
This would remove this phenomena from the debate and allow recorded incidents of low level chemtrails and chemical spraying to retain the for-front of chemtrail reporting.
Otherwise this issue is going to get buried under the counter material.
I am going to print all the point counter point on the topics brought up by the official line as I can.
Serious reasoning and investigative efforts are needed to come together and forget their quarrels at this point. The official line is now posted and must be intelligently addressed.
Michael McDonnoough http://www.chemtrails.org/chemtrails/research.html
If you have not seen this yet here is the EPA's official party line
http://www.chemtrails.org/chemtrails/contrails.pdf
I have already started to do a counter point to this document so if any wish to contribute please send me an email.
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:19 am
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I don't know about all that, Chemorg. But I do know that when people lie to me, I tend not to trust them. Nothing personal, just self-observation.
Anyway, your updated research page does seem to be more in line with the evidence that has been gathered during your absence.
The change to JP8+100 doesn't explain the systematic gridding that has been documented. It also happens to be the perfect cover story.
The EPA contrail 'fact sheet' is rife with contadiction. Pay particular attention to the claims of solar radiation 'possibly' being reponsible for the formation of ultra-persistent contrails... |
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chemtrailsorg
Joined: 03 May 2001
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Location: Austin,TX,US |
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Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:41 am
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Well that is a good counter point. Please give the reference to that with some context if possible.
Thanks for your analysis. Please include more as you may get some.
Michael
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