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elvis lives
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WTG Chickie Deb....
 Wed Oct 25, 2000 6:12 am
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(Reprint of Post earlier today at carnicom by chickie deb)
FLight Explorer
I have subscribed to Flight Explorer for 10 months - that's $100.00 invested to learn the truth of what I have been witnessing in the sky. My hundreds of photos look the same as most of yours AND I know what caused them. And so far, they have been laid by high altitude commercial jets. So I challenge anyone to do the same - I think you'll be surprised.
There very well may be other projects going on but the only way you'll know what you see over your little speck in the universe is by researching and this is the best tool available. Don't you think it would be worth the peace of mind to know that you aren't experiencing the fall-out of one these programs?
Better yet - I have made this offer previously. If you don't want to spend the money, I will do research in your area on Flight Explorer with you. E-mail me at cdebgo@zipmax.com with your location and the latitude and longitude, which you can find on the survey if you own your property. Even an approximate will work. This time of year, contrails will form early in the morning, and air traffic is easier to follow before 9AM. The X's, grids, A's -whatever are easily explained when you watch Flight Explorer and see the contrails being laid. Anyone willing to take the challenge?
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theseeker
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Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
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Wed Oct 25, 2000 7:43 am
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well...I would like to see the url for that...Deb has been a good friend, and has had some fervent views on this topic and if this is really her text, I could not agree more....and am very happy for her....
piece of mind indeed.....
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elvis lives
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Location: Pismo Beach, California |
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Wed Oct 25, 2000 10:37 pm
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seeker.....
"well...I would like to see the url for that...and if this is really her text"
I don't fabricate and post lies...I can only assume you were so startled by the news that it seemed unbelievable.
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elvis lives
Joined: 30 Sep 2000
Posts: 143
Location: Pismo Beach, California |
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 1:43 am
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Deborah has done extensive research on the contrail/chemtrail issue. She is very sharp and articulate and refuses to waste any time refuting the doomsayers. I have added her to the chickie deb thread because combined they have 3 plus years of research into this issue and they agree in principal that the atmosphere is being polluted by normal forms of pollution.... not by aerial spray planes.
(posted by Deborah on 10/09/00 at carnicom.com)
Elvis...
Will pass on the slide show [have seen it] but thank you for the very thoughtful summary of your viewpoint. I happen to agree with most of it [you still "left out" the ozone issue, however - why?]
(posted by Deborah on 10/25/00 at carnicom.com)
Tropopaws...
Please...
I do not doubt what you have been telling me re: commercial passenger aircraft flight patterns over Boston, MA. I am very aware of them. You pilots aren't the only ones who are interested in and excited by aviation, if I may say so.
In case you haven't noticed, I am intensively researching quite a different, but related matter. I am concerned that our atmosphere can no longer seem to handle the crap that is being pumped into it on a continuous basis. This possibility, which is very "visible" to me over the last 14 months, happens to be causing me a fair amount of personal anguish, so please don't so cavalierly persist in misinterpreting my reason for being here.
Sincerely,
Deborah
Edited to add comma. You pilots aren't the only ones who are "compulsive", either - ha ha!
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Swedishoo
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 3:40 am
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I've got a big problem with this.
I too had a flight tracker that I had installed for a month. It only shows commercial flight paths with all the info. Yes, it's very neat to have on your computer and to watch, but the chemtrails I saw outside are not shown from the commercial flights on the tracker.
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elvis lives
Joined: 30 Sep 2000
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 4:02 am
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Swedishoo....I think it was brought up several times, but that system does not track military flights...so it is safe to assume the contrails you saw were made by one of the appx 1000 military flights daily. |
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Deborah
Joined: 30 Jul 2000
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 4:35 am
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This is just to let everyone know that I have been advised that my posts at Carnicom are apparently being monitored.
I am also giving notice that I do not look kindly on anyone's taking it upon themselves to speak for me, under ANY circumstances.
For the record, if anyone really wants to know where I stand on the issue at hand, please go to the "Stratospheric and Tropospheric Ozone Research" thread on the Top Page of Clifford's Message Board.
I feel that damage to the ozone layer has significantly altered atmospheric chemistry and circulation to the point that the atmosphere can no longer accommodate the level of pollution to which it is continuously being subjected. Recent, heightened solar activity is, no doubt, complicating an already unstable situation.
I also feel that systematic atmospheric modification is probably ongoing, for various reasons which are obviously not being addressed publically.
In addition to this, I feel that the U.S. is quite possibly under periodic biological attack. I have reason to believe this as I am living in the epicenter of an area that has been heavily sprayed for West Nile. Something just isn't "adding up", if you know what I mean.
I hope this clarifies a few things. I have very little time for other than hard research these days. I am extremely concerned about the state of our atmosphere and am committed to focused research in that direction. There is nothing "normal" about what we are seeing. It is a very serious situation, in my opinion. |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 4:49 am
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William thomas made a reference to chemtrails at 8k well below the stratosphere, I had to laugh a bit for that is into the troposphere, I am not as concerned about the atmoshpere as you Deborah but I am suspicious that the troposhpere is shrinking, or squeezed.....the ozone is not a concern this time of year....
Just the off the cuff ramblings of a madman..
BTW, where's that beer !
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Swedishoo
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 5:01 am
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Deborah, I will read your reports first hand, rather than allowing the information dribble in by someone who calls himself as a Chemtrail debunker. Thank you for posting to make us aware of your writings.
Seeker, Hmmm, very interesting concept. (shrinking, or squeezed) hmmm, you've got me thinking...if you have more to share with this concept, please, do tell.
Christy
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