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theseeker
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Origin of Gulf War/NOAA Photo
 Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:47 am
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I pulled this pic from Chem11's board,(still slower than death) does anyone know the original link for this one, other than carnycom's reference ?
Maybe I'm lazy, but I have no reason to visit carnycom's board or site...
I'm still trying to figure out what to do with all these black-lights....lol...
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Chem11
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:58 am
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Seeker, don't be a jackass. It's a NOAA satellite photo. Christ, it's stamped right on the photo!
Get a cable modem and quit whining, fer chrissake.
Thermit... I want a raise! |
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theseeker
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:15 am
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so it is,I do read zippy, but why and what for was it taken...I don't think that we are looking at dried blood cells here, so forgive me if I don't check carnycom out...I would venture there was a reason for this photograph...and a real description as well...don't be so shallow chemm...geeze...
If you right click the photo where does it take you ??? Hmmmm ???
Tune in
and watch the name calling...rules apply to moderators too...
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Chem11
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:35 am
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Just having a little fun, T/S! You know I love ya'...! And who's being shallow? It's from the Gulf Massacre, erm, I mean War. Those are chemtrails.
Listen... why don't you read (since you are apparently capable) Report #2? Perhaps this will de-mystsify things for you...(?) |
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Chem11
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:44 am
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BTW, I'll make you a deal... you quit referring to Clifford as 'Carneycom' and I'll quit telling you not to act like a jackass.
You'd think he banned you or something...
Oops, sorry. I forgot...he did!(Gee, I wonder why...?)  |
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theseeker
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:47 am
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Yeah I know chem....you said some nice things at your site...muchos gracias,..are you refering to a carnycom report #2 ?
post the direct link and, ack ! I....will...look...
you know it is almost impossible to read everything...of course, unless your Jay Reynolds....
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theseeker
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:58 am
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Ha ! just seen that ! clifford banned me because I was talking to Carol too much..I think he was jealous...can't help the carny thing, but I will work on it...force of habit u know.......
btw jackass and carnycom are different references, one is a type o'forced and...jackass is clear..
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Chem11
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 9:07 am
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Folks, theseeker is being less than honest. I have never given the debunkers anything less than my utter and complete derision. He must have me confused with someone else (T/S, please return to your role as a hostile combatant at once! I have a reputation to maintain!).
You really haven't read this yet? Man, I've already been through all the controversy once before... you just hustle on over to the main page and find the link yourself! You really are getting quite lazy, Carl... |
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LTC8K6
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 12:48 pm
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Seeker, it would have been taken as a routine check of weather conditions, I would think. Those are, of course, normal racetrack contrails of surveillance aircraft orbiting above their assigned areas. |
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TopGun0069
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:35 pm
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I second that one, LTC8K6. When I flew in Operation Northern Watch earlier this year, there were a few days where I was able to find the tankers for much-needed gas just by looking north of the border for the contrails that they were making. It was pretty neat, flying on the boom and having 5 planes simultaneously leaving huge billowing contrails. And NO, there was no spraying going on! I was very aware of the "chemtrail" issue when I was over there (I was already banned from Cliff's) and believe me, I always look for just a hint of spraying going on. I saw nothing unusual, and sitting within about 20 feet of four huge jet engines leaving billowing contrails is about as close as you are ever going to get.
Think of this photo as a time-lapse snapshot of a day in the life of the Gulf War. The many trails are those of single aircraft or pairs, and their repetitive flight paths are shown by the persistence of the contrails that they are leaving.
On the picture you are looking at, the small racetrack patterns that you are seeing that run parallel to (but just south of) the border are those of the tankers. They are holding just south of the border to give gas to the fighters coming to and from Iraq.
In the east side just north of Kuwait, the horseshoe-shaped tracks that run north-south are those of F-15s that are set up in a DCA (Defensive Counter Air) pattern to protect the HVAA (High Value Airborne Assets) such as the AWACS and RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft. One thing that I find to be interesting is the fact that the contrails that the F-15s leave will disappear and reappear as they enter and exit the north. This is because the threats are to the north, and the pilots are smart enough to climb or descend out of the "con level" when they fly into that region, even though it is 3:00am.
In the west/northwest, the two or three long, wide trails are probably those of Rivet Joint. Because of it's long orbits, there is a noticeably larger space between the trails. They could also be fighters or jamming aircraft remaining south of the border until their time comes to push northward.
You also notice that the trails are mainly centered around the areas where clouds already exist. That tells me that in these areas the weather is conducive for the formation of contrails. Voila! Planes fly through it, and there you go. I guarantee that there are a LOT more planes in this photo that are not leaving contrails.
Now, I'll bet that you're wondering: "Maverick, well then why are the horseshoe-shaped contrails in the east nowhere near clouds? Those are most definitely chemtrails!" Well, no, no and no is the answer to that one. You see, F-15s operate at much higher altitudes than most of the other planes in the theater. It maximizes their fuel efficiency, it gives their radar longer looks, and gives their missiles a lot longer range. But, it also puts them at altitudes that are more likely to produce contrails. So, I would expect to see a contrail or two at their altitude, especially when they are maneuvering like is depicted in this photo.
Maverick
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Fox 2!
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LTC8K6
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Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:42 pm
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Forgot about the tankers, Mav. They don't just fly through and hope they meet up with you! Obviously, they loiter somewhere and wait. |
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3T3L1
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Tue Jul 24, 2001 4:35 pm
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You're a goldmine of information with a heart of gold, Maverick! (Enough sucking up...I shall now head back to my lair at the Science Forum.)  |
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Chem11
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Tue Jul 24, 2001 6:17 pm
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quote:
Think of this photo as a time-lapse snapshot of a day in the life of the Gulf War.
This is not a time-lapse photo, so why should I think of it as such?
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And NO, there was no spraying going on! I was very aware of the "chemtrail" issue when I was over there (I was already banned from Cliff's) and believe me, I always look for just a hint of spraying going on.
Interesting comment, TG69... by way of comparison, when have you observed spraying going on?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Chem11 on 07-24-2001] |
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TopGun0069
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Tue Jul 24, 2001 8:27 pm
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Hmmm.....I'm thinking that you just asking these just to make me spend my afternoon typing (I'm notoriously slow,) but I'll answer with what should be obvious.
First of all, this photo IS a time-lapse photo of sorts. In each area, there are similar-looking trails. Take for instance, the racetrack patterns in the south central portion of the photo. These are from a SINGLE plane. The plane uses landmarks or coordinates for it's holding fix. Unfortunately, the medium in which it is travelling (the air) is not stationary, so the pilot has to constantly correct for this. As the pilot follows the ground track for the refueling pattern, the winds aloft blow the contrails downwind. In the picture, what you are seeing is a number of patterns, the farthest downwind being the oldest. This is the meaning behind my statement. I hope that you have no further questions as to the meaning of this.
Second, don't you even try to put words in my mouth about "chemtrails." My point is that I hardly batted an eye at contrails before learning of the alleged "conspiracy." Now, I am looking at every plane that flies overhead, and studying aircraft that I can see very closely. I'm never expecting to see anything that will make me believe in the issue, but you never know. It's the open-mindedness in me, albeit the one that to this day has neither seen nor heard of anything that even remotely resembles a conspiracy or a sprayplane.
The same goes for a few weeks ago when I followed a Delta Airlines 727 on my way out to a MOA. It was conning like a big dog, and all of a sudden it stopped. Then, it started again, just as fast. Does this make Delta Airlines the new culprit, or is this just a normal phenomenon. I vote for the latter, since this isn't the first time that I have seen this from an airliner. I don't think that the contrails lasted too long (5 minutes maybe,) but the sudden starting and stopping for no visible reason is what I'm refuting here.
So, when I was flying behind the KC-135s in southeastern Turkey a few months ago, I wanted to see how long the contrails persisted and where they were being produced on the aircraft. Not because I was looking for a sprayplane, but because I was curious as to whether or not a NON-SPRAYING military aircraft can leave persistent contrails at altitude. The verdict? Yes, they did leave very persistent contrails, and no they weren't spraying.
I hope that this, too answers your questions as to the intent of my post. If not, feel free to "lawyer-ize" the fine print to your heart's content once again. My typing fingers (all two of them) are warmed up now....
Maverick
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Wed Jul 25, 2001 4:28 am
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I dont see how you can accuse me of putting words in your mouth, Maverick. Notice my use of the 'quote' function... you said 'em, I quoted 'em. Period.
Now, the photo is stamped at 0300 hrs, Baghdad time. It is not a time-lapse, or a time-lapse 'of sorts'. Exclamation Point.
Hmm. Seems like I've hit a nerve... do they offer counseling for combat pilots? Just curious...!
(Chem doffs his flame-retardent suit, checks the pressure in his fire extinguisher and waits for the backdraft...wait for it..wait for it...) |
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