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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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ICP Explained
 Thu Aug 23, 2001 4:00 pm
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I used to think that ICP (Insane Cloud Posse), an insult created by toxdoc, was just that, a putdown for people who are concerned about Chemtrails. But this latest post by Sceptic from ChickieDeb's board explains it much more clearly. It turns out, since Sceptic is lambasting theseeker for being a card-carrying member of the ICP, that it doesn't really have to do with Chemtrails!! Apparently anybody who dares to disagree with the debunker party-chiefs is an ICP!! Who knew? Sorry, seeker, I know you don't believe in Chemtrails, but I guess you've still got a bit too much pluck for their tastes. "Agree with us, or you are INSANE!", now that is sound open-minded thinking.
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The antics of ts this week has shown one of the more disturbing aspects of the ICP's mentality.
In the course of an otherwise futile debate about positive thinking, ts demonstrated all of the following:
Lying - by knowingly attributing to me a quote I hadn't made.
Xenophobia - references to me as "a foreigner".
Bigotry - claims that agnostics cannot be trusted.
And after all of the above, it accuses me of "totalitarian elitism". Note to self: look up the word "irony".
Oh, and it accuses me of being a socialist, too. This is obviously the worst slur in its lexicon of abuse.
In a battle of wits, it is unfair to take on an unarmed opponent, so I will forbear from debating ts in the future.
In the meantime, I would like its antics to stand as eloquent testimony to the main strategems of the ICP:
Make a wild unsubstantiated claim.
Refuse to provide any backing evidence.
Attack anyone who queries it.
Increase the ad hominem attack.
Either mangle a quote or fabricate a quote to help your case.
More ad hominem.
Thankfully, another aspects of the ICP's behaviour usually emerges as they lose the fight. In this case, ts has acted entirely typically of an ICP member; when they realise that they are losing the battle, they resort to outright racism, xenophobia and naked sectarian abuse.
ts has shown itself to be a 100% paid up member of the ICP, and deserves their highest accolades.
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:35 pm
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Thanks, Thermit! I wanted to respond to that post, but didn't know where to begin. You've summarized the "my way or the highway" philosophy very nicely. |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:37 pm
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What I find most disturbing is Toxdoc's apparent references to theseeker as 'it'. This reminds me of that scence in The Silence of the Lambs where the cross-dressing serial killer is tormenting the woman he's imprisoned in the pit:
"It puts the lotion in the basket... IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!!!" (shudder)
I'm beginning to wish I had pursued a degree in psychiatry. There's enough material on that board for an entire thesis.
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Thermit
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Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:19 pm
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To be fair, the "Agree with us, or your are _____" type argument has been used by both sides, against the other side, which isn't kosher. But, kind of amusing, is that this particular "dis"-agreement was the result of discussion on what I would think would be an untouchy subject: the power of positive thinking.
Chem11, I think Sceptic was referring to the ICP, when he used "it". However, that is somewhat dehumanizing anyway. |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:33 pm
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That's an even more disturbing interpretation, Thermit. 'It' has accused Toxdoc of totalitarian elitism? 'It' has accused Toxdoc of being a socialist?
One imagines some Lovecraftian monstrosity stalking Toxdoc during his every waking moment.
IT PUT'S THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!
Sorry folks, I just caught 'Hannibal' on video the other day and I've had my fill of psycho-pathology.
Lecter was a doctor too, ya' know... 
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Lulu
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Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:36 pm
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I'm glad you explained ICP Thermit, I always thought it meant Intelligent Chemtrail People 
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Thermit
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Thu Aug 23, 2001 8:10 pm
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Ah, upon another reading I see you were right Chem11... interesting.
I like that reading of it, Lulu.
When the truth comes out, will it even be gratifying to hear the Insult Chemtrailers Posse eat crow? I don't know, but it will be vindication to see the truth become public knowledge. |
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:51 pm
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Just ran across this definition from Aldous Huxley's Brave New World:
Epsilons, Greek term Lowest class/caste of the New World Order - Broken down into three sub castes - Epsilon, Epsilon Semi-Moron, and Epsilon Moron. These people are designated to menial jobs, janitors, elevator operators, doormen, garage assistants, sanitation engineer, etc. Specifically conditioned for their positions in society. Specifically conditioned to be happy and content with themselves and their status. Often cloned in vast numbers to create a stable working environment. Intelligence is not required, developed for manual labor. BNW PAGE 15.
The debunkers wouldn't be a little bit elitist, would they? The recent post about IQs had me thinking along those lines.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by 3T3L1 on 08-23-2001] |
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Fri Aug 24, 2001 3:38 am
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Colleagues!
Mr. Thermit is correct when he says that both sides in the contrail debate use the same methodologies against people who question or disagree with them. Although a debunker par excellance myself, I am certainly put off by Jay Reynolds' constant sniping at Mr. Cydoniaquest because he (Cydoniaquest) at one time, had DARED to disagree with Reynolds.
But not all debunkers (or chemmies) act in such a way. I personally consider calling someone who disagrees with you on contrails to be "ICP" to be rather tacky, like calling someone who disagrees with you a "sheeple" or "disinformation agent" or "liar".
But we all see that, and the only thing I can try to do is to try to refrain from such
behavior (which is hard) and hope that everyone else does the same thing.
Debunkers are all lying disinformation agents.
Chemmies are all paranoid crazies.
Blacks are all lazy.
Mexicans all steal.
Italians are all in the Mafia.
Germans are all power-mad.
It's all just different verses to the same song.
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525 |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:04 am
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Dear Confused,
I was referring to the post by Toxdoc, quoted above. There simply aren't enough hours in the day to keep track of all the insults and misrepresentations that take place within the confines of that forum.
Thermit speaks of vindication when the truth eventually comes out. Our government has done such an amazing job of suppressing various an sundry truths that I wonder if an official pronouncement will ever be forthcoming. This culture of official secrecy is so embedded, and so universally recognized, that I wonder if disclosure is even necessary at this point.
On some level, we already know the truth. All of us. Some are strong enough to face it, others.. are not. Those that choose the path of denial increasingly have my sympathy, if nothing else.
While Reynolds certainly exhibits a fair amount of disdain for those that do not agree with him, I suspect that his dislike for Cydoniaquest is more moral in nature than philosophical.
We are either being sprayed with harmful chemicals, or we aren't. That makes this an enormously important issue and there is little room for flim-flam on either side of the fence. I'm certainly not here to provide entertainment for those that see this issue as a convenient psychological playground.
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TopGun0069
Joined: 03 Jan 2001
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Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:23 am
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debunk
SYLLABICATION: de·bunk
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: de·bunked, de·bunk·ing, de·bunks
To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of.
OTHER FORMS: de·bunker —NOUN
contrail
SYLLABICATION: con·trail
NOUN: A visible trail of streaks of condensed water vapor or ice crystals sometimes forming in the wake of an aircraft. Also called vapor trail.
ETYMOLOGY: con(densation) + trail.
I couldn't find chemtrail in the dictonary.
Here's a few interesting parts of definintions combined together into a phrase:
insane: Immoderate; wild.
chem("chemical" was substituted): A drug, especially an illicit or addictive one.
posse: A group of people summoned by a sheriff to aid in law enforcement
So, with the above definitions, you guys are all a bunch of renegade anti-drug law enforcement folks.
Now I know who you are. We've got pictures of you at the agency. I took great risk to smuggle these out, but here they are:
You guys are Walker, Texas Ranger?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by TopGun0069 on 08-23-2001] |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Fri Aug 24, 2001 6:56 am
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Interesting of note is the whole discussion was started by my comment about "positive thinking"...lol...
I am surprised Toxdoc knew of ICP, which I personally won't listen to blatantly vulgar stuff,right up there with marylin manson...ack..
cool site...
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagepump/archive.php?category=NorthAmerica
T/S |
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:09 am
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Debunkers are all lying disinformation agents.
Chemmies are all paranoid crazies.
Blacks are all lazy.
Mexicans all steal.
Italians are all in the Mafia.
Germans are all power-mad.
Thanks for spelling out the unfairness of name-calling, Duncan. You are a gentleman. May your tribe increase.
This week I learned from toxdoc that he still thinks people who are concerned about a possible intentional pollution of our skies are to be compared with those who make lewd comments to children, and who tell children to "smoke something" and to go out and commit crimes while they are still minors.
I learned from Jay Reynolds that I am a chemmie moron.
I learned from ControlTower that my friends and I avoid science and flood the portion of the bell curve which contains the low IQs.
I learned from Sceptic that people who disagree with him, even though they don't believe in chemtrails, are referred to as "it."
I learned from Sceptic, Chickiedeb and toxdoc that some of my friends at Thermit's board are in the class of people who have no intelligence and who are therefore fit to work in jobs such as janitors, doormen, and garage assistants.
Although I'm saddened by most of the names my friends and I have been called this week, for the record, I am proud to be classified with janitors, doormen and garage assistants. For almost 50 years my father was a dairy farmer in northeastern Wisconsin. This week I heard a man named Phil speaking on a radio show. Phil is a farmer who raises beef cattle on a farm northwest of Green Bay. He spoke in a plain, polite manner about his concern about what may be going on in the skies above us. My dad doesn't have a college degree. Phil probably doesn't have one either. But I would much rather be associated with people like them than with all the hateful, bitter, elitist folks who say they have special knowledge about what is and isn't happening above our heads.
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Fri Aug 24, 2001 11:51 am
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It sounds like you've had a hell of a week, 3T3.
I bumped into a couple guys on the street today. Homeless guys. Veterans of Vientnam. And we got to talking.
We tend to think of exposure to harmful, aerially dipersed chemicals at the hands of our own military as a relatively recent development. For us, perhaps. But not for these folks. They have been living with the effects of these earlier spray programs for the last thirty years.
So I guess I've got some catching up to do. My next research topic is going to be agent orange.
Assuming, of course, that this aerial spray program wasn't a figment of our collective imagination, as well...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Chem11 on 08-24-2001] |
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