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http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=38493f63-f315-4296-a271-6b057b42f16d
'I don't think I can stay if Bush wins'
Some Californians vow move to Canada if Kerry loses
Catherine Elsworth
The Daily Telegraph
Monday, November 01, 2004
LOS ANGELES - Some left-leaning Californians say they would rather leave the United States -- and go to Canada or elsewhere -- than stay with George W. Bush as president.
''I certainly don't love the climate of Vancouver, but I love the sanity,'' said Steve Crawford, 54, a singer and actor working as a volunteer at the Democratic Party offices in Santa Monica.
He and his wife, Karen, have been investigating selling their home in Pacific Palisades, an upmarket area close to the coast, and moving to Canada.
''For someone like me, if this happens, I can't in good conscience allow myself to support another Bush government, even benignly. And a lot of other people are saying the same.
''I have a good friend who is adamant he will leave if Bush is re-elected. He's picked two countries and will definitely go to one should this happen.''
In the heavily Democratic state, famous for its Hollywood- and San Francisco-inspired latte liberal politics, such talk has become increasingly common at Starbucks and at dinner parties.
At first, the threat was little more than a joke. Now, on the eve of one of the most polarized elections in recent history, some say they really do intend to leave should ''the worst'' occur.
There seems little doubt Californians will deliver the state's valuable 55 electoral votes to the Democratic candidate. In a poll on Friday, Mr. Kerry had a seven-point lead statewide, with a 24-point lead in Los Angeles county and a 35-point lead in the San Francisco Bay area.
But fear at what may happen in the key swing states of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania has led to an escalation in coffee-shop chatter about emigration to Canada, Britain and elsewhere.
''Do you think Great Britain would give us political asylum?'' a woman in Starbucks asked. ''It's just ... I don't think I can stay if Bush wins again.''
Mr. Crawford said it would be a difficult decision to move his nine-year-old son from his elementary school. ''But if I feel he's going to be living in an environment that's not safe for him, then I will do it. First and foremost I'm a dad.''
Gretchen Witte, 35, from Alhambra, east of Los Angeles, who runs her own Internet business, is making plans to move to London, where she previously lived for eight years, should Mr. Bush win.
''As a woman, the current climate is becoming intolerable. Bush has just appointed a man to the FDA reproductive health panel who believes that women with medical trouble should pray to Jesus for relief. If this is what America is becoming, I cannot live here. The only reason I can sleep at night is the thought that I can leave the country if he wins.''
Robert Boleyn, a 35-year-old independent consultant from Los Angeles, says he hears people ''all the time' 'saying they will emigrate if Mr. Bush wins.
''But I think it's often more a measure of frustration with the last four years than a real intention to leave,'' he added.
Voluntary exile as a political statement is nothing new. Democrat-supporting celebrities have a habit of making (usually empty) threats to leave should the election not go their way. Robert Redford, a vocal critic of Mr. Bush's policies, was reported this month to have vowed to move to Ireland, where he owns homes near Dublin, if Mr. Bush is re-elected.
Before the 2000 poll, Alec Baldwin's then wife, Kim Basinger, told Germany's Focus magazine the actor ''might leave the country if Bush is elected ... and then I'd probably have to go, too.'' Mr. Baldwin did not leave.
The only public figure to carry out his promise was Pierre Salinger, the White House press secretary during the Kennedy administration, who died last month. Before the 2000 election, he said: ''If Bush wins, I'm going to leave the country and spend the rest of my life in France.'' He did.
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Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:54 am
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Four more years and then some.Women from 18 to 26 will be filling these rolls,and coffins, soon. |
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| Here are the stats according to the republicans
Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:04 pm
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Kerry Concedes Election to Bush
White House Declares 'Bush Victory'
National Popular Vote
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 58,347,318 51
Kerry/Edwards 54,829,945 48
Alabama (9) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,171,067 63
Kerry/Edwards 690,123 37
Alaska (3) -- 98% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 151,498 62
Kerry/Edwards 85,819 35
Arkansas (6) -- 97% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 543,962 54
Kerry/Edwards 449,970 45
Arizona (10) -- 97% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 879,202 55
Kerry/Edwards 705,986 44
California (55) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 4,400,339 44
Kerry/Edwards 5,420,178 55
Colorado (9) -- 91% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 998,519 53
Kerry/Edwards 866,292 46
Connecticut (7) -- 97% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 670,289 44
Kerry/Edwards 823,080 54
Delaware (3) -- 95% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 164,807 46
Kerry/Edwards 191,870 53
District of Columbia (3) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 19,007 9
Kerry/Edwards 183,876 90
Florida (27) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 3,836,216 52
Kerry/Edwards 3,459,293 47
Georgia (15) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,786,278 59
Kerry/Edwards 1,239,167 41
Hawaii (4) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 191,576 45
Kerry/Edwards 228,592 54
Idaho (4) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 408,227 68
Kerry/Edwards 180,900 30
Illinois (21) -- 98% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 2,225,320 44
Kerry/Edwards 2,753,525 55
Indiana (11) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,470,396 60
Kerry/Edwards 958,429 39
Iowa (7) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 741,325 50
Kerry/Edwards 725,700 49
Kansas (6) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 711,083 62
Kerry/Edwards 416,905 36
Kentucky ( -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,061,608 60
Kerry/Edwards 706,503 40
Louisiana (9) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,101,710 57
Kerry/Edwards 818,211 42
Maine (4) -- 81% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 248,409 45
Kerry/Edwards 294,719 53
Maryland (10) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 936,505 43
Kerry/Edwards 1,209,827 56
Massachusetts (12) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,063,518 37
Kerry/Edwards 1,790,484 62
Michigan (17) -- 96% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 2,237,416 48
Kerry/Edwards 2,384,120 51
Minnesota (10) -- 98% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,312,724 48
Kerry/Edwards 1,411,010 51
Mississippi (6) -- 97% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 649,859 59
Kerry/Edwards 435,570 40
Missouri (11) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,452,715 53
Kerry/Edwards 1,253,879 46
Montana (3) -- 93% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 229,368 59
Kerry/Edwards 151,545 39
Nebraska (5) -- 89% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 445,304 67
Kerry/Edwards 213,524 32
Nevada (5) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 388,963 51
Kerry/Edwards 368,458 48
New Hampshire (4) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 328,431 49
Kerry/Edwards 337,939 50
New Jersey (15) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,587,494 46
Kerry/Edwards 1,799,320 53
New Mexico (5) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 335,311 50
Kerry/Edwards 323,691 49
New York (31) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 2,763,506 40
Kerry/Edwards 3,945,432 58
North Carolina (15) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,896,011 56
Kerry/Edwards 1,458,588 44
North Dakota (3) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 194,668/td> 63
Kerry/Edwards 110,048 36
Ohio (20) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 2,794,346 51
Kerry/Edwards 2,658,125 49
Oklahoma (7) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 959,670 66
Kerry/Edwards 504,066 34
Oregon (7) -- 93% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 736,660 47
Kerry/Edwards 820,135 52
Pennsylvania (21) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 2,746,856 49
Kerry/Edwards 2,868,674 51
Rhode Island (4) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 161,345 39
Kerry/Edwards 247,071 60
South Carolina ( -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 916,434 58
Kerry/Edwards 642,146 41
South Dakota (3) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 232,545 60
Kerry/Edwards 149,225 38
Tennessee (11) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,376,392 57
Kerry/Edwards 1,029,935 43
Texas (34) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 4,464,398 61
Kerry/Edwards 2,788,401 38
Utah (5) -- 98% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 600,564 71
Kerry/Edwards 224,848 27
Vermont (3) -- 98% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 117,617 39
Kerry/Edwards 178,566 59
Virginia (13) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,659,263 54
Kerry/Edwards 1,406,909 46
Washington (11) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 877,796 46
Kerry/Edwards 997,204 52
West Virginia (5) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 418,151 56
Kerry/Edwards 321,641 43
Wisconsin (10) -- 99% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 1,466,963 49
Kerry/Edwards 1,480,256 50
Wyoming (3) -- 100% of Precincts Reporting
Candidate Total Votes Percentage
Bush/Cheney 167,130 69
Kerry/Edwards 70,620 29 |
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CDsNuTz
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:57 am
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Most dont see it now but this IS the darkest day in Amerikas history!! |
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:34 am
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It is indead CDsNuTz. But, it is always darkest before the dawn. |
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CDsNuTz
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:16 am
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It just doesnt make sense,6 billion people in this world.The largest majority that know of bush and Amerika know that bush is evil and didnt want him around any more.Then come along 58 million bible thumping pin heads and we get stuck with that F*#%IN MORON another 4 years . |
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increase 1776
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:28 am
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The Moron never got the majority of the peoples votes.Diebold and a couple million dollars will do wonders.Houdini would have been proud. The media whores all were saying that maybe the 18 to 30 crowd got a lot of new voters registered,but they didn't vote.They joked about how they went to the concerts but never made it to the polls .Like they were to stoned to remember to vote.And they laughed about it.I know better.The last of the talking heads that I thought still hadn't sold out yet,sold out.My television will grow many cobwebs,not that I watch it that much anyway. There is no way in Hell that all the new registered voters were Bush supporters, We have been had again.Another gigantic litnis test on the state of mind,of the American Sheeople.Bah Bah .Millions of people over the last few years came to be enlightened,educated,and wide eyed about 9-11 and the whole BushMafia/Nazi/NWO/Diebold/Halliburton/Carlye Group. Knowing these things is great,but in a fixed,rigged,stolen,election, believing that the democratic process will still work.Well, we all got a rude awakening.Everyone on this site should be proud of the work that was done here over the past few years .You know we had them interested,if not worried, by the timely visits from the government to CTC.WE educated and woke up the people we could. Time to regroup and come out swinging. |
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