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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Thermits study
 Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:28 pm
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for Thermit,
i read your study. you did a very nice job, better by far than any other study that i have seen on chemtrail sites.
one question. it appears that you filtered out all traffic below FL290. is this correct or did i read it wrong?
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Thermit
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:23 pm
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Thanks Dirk.
No that's not quite correct.
I recently addressed this question here...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000039.html
But basically, the filter was typically set to filter 27,999 ft and below. Sometimes I used lower filters and sometimes I used no filters at all. As you will notice from the data collected, no plane lower than 31,000 ever contrailed at all, not even for a few seconds. So this is not the reason for some planes being unidentified. |
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:35 pm
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thermit,
i guess my question would be what percentage of your observation time was filtered at all?
are you saying that on the occasions that you had unidentified trails, the filter function was never active? if not, then how do you know that the unidentified tracks were not caused by aircraft cruising in the 20's?
this would probably be my biggest gripe with your study. the airspace betweed FL200 and FL290 is extremely busy and has plenty of contrail formations. i think that this section of the sky would be just as important to validating your study as the airspace above 310 (no one fly's at FL300)
DD
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Thermit
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:15 pm
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Dirk, I utilized Flight Explorer for several months before I actually began the official study. I quickly got a feel for where the contrailing was occuring at, which was above 31,000 ft. and centered around 37,000 ft.
This graph is for identified commercial flights. You can see that for these identified flights, that there wasn't any contrailing occuring in the 20's. In fact, trailing below 35,000 ft. was rare.
When I did observe an unidentified flight, it was clear that they were well above 31,000 ft. When you've been using Flight Explorer continuously for a while, you can get a decent feel for the altitudes. And I would have been very interested in aircraft producing hours long trails below 30,000 ft. and I would have made a big deal about it, but it just wasn't the case.
As far as a percentage, I don't know.
Bottom line, the unidentified flights were not due to any filter, they just weren't in the FE data stream. Most likely military... |
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:30 pm
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fair enough Mark,
but something is askew. i am not blaming you, and i am sure that you didnt purposely ignore data. its just that i know that contrails form below 350 and are fairly common. this is probably my problem more than yours. i have not used FE and i havent gone through your report with a fine-toothed comb.
but keep in mind, they are not uncommon at these altitudes. from what i gathered it was a relatively small percentage of unidentified targets. so if nothing else your study proves that if something is happening, it is not some huge new world order plot to exterminate the human population. this is at least a step in the right direction for your cause. the biggest problem that your group has is that there is no consensus among you as to what is happening. the theories vary greatly. everyone is going in different directions. unfortunately it is the extremists that yell the loudest. these are who you get lumped with.
i'll state the same thing that i did when i first came to your website. it is quiet possible that there is a program in testing for weather modification or something along those lines. i have never seen any evidence of this, but it is possible. this would be a relatively small program that would effect next to no one. what i am sure that is not happening is some world-wide plot that includes spraying over every square mile if the US witnessed on a consistant basis by all these folks at these boards causing sickness and death. i would suggest that the serious among you seperate yourselves from the fringe so that you are taken more seriously. but come to think of it, how much fun would that be? i miss nsasucks!!he was always good for a laugh.
DD
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 10:42 pm
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Ah, yes. The 'fringe'. And who decides what people belong to this Lunatic Fringe?
Is Topgun a member because of his belief in the reality of UFOS's? Am I because of my reports of sickness asscociated with exposure to these ponderous trails? Is jay Reynolds a member of the Lunatic Fringe because of his association with a conspiracy theorist and militia sympathizer like William Cooper?
Perhaps you would qualify because of the pornographic relevance of your screename, Dirk Digler...
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:14 pm
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possibly chem11, you'll have to ask my wife. she is the one who thought of the moniker.
who belongs to the fringe? that is a very subjective question. but the questions usually sorts it's self out in the end, dont you think?
i also believe that almost anything is possible. almost. i will consider anything, but once you tell me the your theory you need to start backing it up with hard evidence. the fringe are the folks that believe in anything with out any solid proof.
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