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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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 Mon Sep 03, 2001 10:44 pm
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I persaonally witnessed an airframe contrail the other day, DD. It could hardly even be described as a trail, didn't persist in the slightest and bore no resemblance to the photo or video. Photos of aerodynamic vortices, as I now will refer to them, posted by others look nothin like what is depicted in either the video or the photo. Therefore I rule out that possibility.
The picture shows an identical phenomena when compared to the trail: an enormous trail displaying a prismatic effect. In no way can this picture be explained by your perspective hypothesis. Can it?
PS - Click the link for the full size version... http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/978-img.jpg
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Chem11
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Mon Sep 03, 2001 10:55 pm
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Moving right along...
Aerodynamic contrails form by the momen-tary reduction of air pressure in the airfoil vortex. If you have ever seen the Navy Blue Angles or the Air Force Thunderbirds during a low-level demonstration, then you have probably noticed these contrails trailing the wing tips, especially during high-speed turns. These contrails appear as the vortex creates a partial vacuum, lowering the air pressure sufficiently to bring it to satura-tion. They dissipate rapidly as the pressure in the vortex returns to normal behind the aircraft. We will not be concerned with this type of contrail.
http://www.tpub.com/weather3/6a-26.htm |
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Mon Sep 03, 2001 11:24 pm
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chem,
you are referring to these type of contrails at LOW altitude. i have witnessed these aerodynamic contrails persist at altitude many times and from up close. i am not talking about wake vortices. i am referring to the condensed air over the wing caused by lift (common in high lift maneuvers such as a climb) while i'll admit that you dont see it everyday, it also could not be classified as rare. it happens, chem11, and they SOMETIMES persist. the reason your observed trail didnt persist the other day was because the conditions evidently were not condusive to this. water vapor is water vapor no matter what caused it to form. if the conditions are right, the trail persists, if not then it doesnt.
are trying to tell me that all of these types of trails that i have witnessed over my career were actually chemtrails.
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Chem11
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Mon Sep 03, 2001 11:47 pm
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Certainly not, Dirk. But your observation on airframe contrail persistence seems to be at odds with generally accepted scientific observation, as stated above.
Now, theseeker has been at this as long as anyone. He's never seen an airframe contrail. I've been paying extremly close attention to aircraft and contrail formation for the last three years. And I hadn't observed this phenomena until just recently. So I think it's fair to describe them as 'rare'.
I was actually searching for a photo of one earlier and had to settle for the explanation of their formation and description of their persistence, linked above.
Believe me DD, I would much rather come to the conclusion that there is a prosaic explanation for what I and so many others are observing. But I am, thus far, unable to do so.
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Delphi
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 1:31 am
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You know guys, wouldn't it be something if we are ALL wrong...that none of our military is involved but yet helpless against a bad scenario in the sky that may be harmful and occuring for whatever purpose...I keep being reminded of the MJ-12 meeting about Roswell, and a General there stating..."Would we really want the American public to think or know that we are not in control of our skies?" And James Forrestal, without missing a beat, said, "They'd be right",...and he ended up under suspiscious circumstances being found a "suicide" from his hospital room with his ufo "diary" missing...Maybe it's foriegn/Un invaders, Aliens/ Mercs...who knows...there are plenty of filthy rich factions that could finance a cladestined, harmful operation against us and globally even and depending on what technology they have...maybe, we'd be helpless...just maybe...not a comforting thought...The sky-wars push??? What's up with that? Protection from meteors or "other"? I know I don't belong here at this thread with you guys, but just couldn't help thinking and sharing my "off beat" and wild and crazy thoughts...don't jump on me now and pick at my lil eyes...o.k. Blessings, Joanne ^j^ |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 1:43 am
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Of course you belong here, Delphi. Everyone belongs here... as long as they can make an effort at being civil. Don't let the heavy vibes and wrangling verbosity put you off. Where's that Louisiana Debunker Hunter spirit? 
You know your stuff, Delphi. As I understand it, the Forrestal diary is in the possession of the United States government and is classified 'Most Secret'... but that's another story....
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 2:04 am
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chem11,
roswell, now there's a conspiracy theory that interest me.
as for my observations being at odds with science, this is just not correct. i will try to find a website explaining this phenomona, but dont hold me to it. i'll have to search around a little. i am not sure if seeker is a pilot or not. but i spend a lot of time up there and you eventually see a little of everything.
it is not rare but it is not common either. you just see it ever so often. i would venture a guess that the percentage of time that it happens is pretty close to the percentage of chemtrail photos on these web sites that exhibit this behavior. |
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Chem11
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 2:14 am
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Well, there ya' go DD... people of all backgrounds, nationalities and religious persuasions share some common ground. And most of the pilots I've spoken with have had some sort of encounter with an anomalous 'airframe'... so, if you don't mind me asking, seen anything 'unusual' while you've been up there? |
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Dirk Digler
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:00 am
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well, i have never had the mother ship drop down in front of the windscreen, but i have seen my share of things that make you go hmmm...
a lot of pilots rarely look out of the cockpit once they reach cruising altitude. once they are level the flood light in the cockpit comes on and you can hardly even see outside at night. i on the other hand love the endless variety of scenery and weather. not to get sentimental, but it really is beutiful and one of the reasons i enjoy flying today as much as i did 20 years ago. maybe this is why i have seen most of the things questioned on chemtrail sites, because my head is always out of the cockpit. i am sure that most of the anomolies are explainable by "normal" means (sound familiar?) but every one in a while you wonder. |
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Stephen Schillinger
Joined: 16 Aug 2001
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:11 am
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Hi everybody I hope you-ALL got my Email.I`m Kinda new at this computer stuff but catching on fast. For so long I`ve been looking for a way to do something about this contrail thing that other people don`t seem to see or don`t want to see.? I know that the`re Not normal but what do we do to WAKE PEOPLE UP. It`s driving me crazy.How can people be so blind. sfsscruffy. |
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Delphi
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:12 am
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Now THAT Dirk, is something just about all of us that have ever been in the sky and off of "terra-firma" can agree on..hands down!! It is beautiful up there! I've been in Med-E-vac planes, air-force, army planes, commercial, and I never cease to enjoy the chance to fly and see the earth below! And that feelin ya get in your tummy when ya fly and "roll over"....THAT is a blast! My brother-in-law has his own plane and I'm gonna take up sky-diving next. Before my first flight in one, everyone was saying the "MAC" flight would be a pain, noisey, bumpy, ect....but it was a great flight...the pilots came out at the end of flight and they were young as can be but GOOD at what they did...one of the smoothest flights was ever on! At least we can reach common ground about flying, mostly...feels good to reach common ground once in a while! Love, Joanne ^j^  |
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Delphi
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 3:20 am
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Hi Stephen, So GREAT seeing you here...we are very dedicated and concerned here and am always glad to meet someone new who can put in their in-put, info, pics, and opinions. We often don't all agree....some of us are very "passionate" about what we feel is a chemtrail problem and folks that feel we are "wrong" are just as passionate and over-zealous as we are, but ya know, we all can do "this thing"...discuss and learn and grow together. I really believe that! We are all in this life together so for that reason, we should all make efforts to work together, no matter how the trails scenario finally turns out in the long run! Bless you Stephen, for coming here, and please tell us what you think and what you have been seeing and experiencing! Love, Joanne ^j^ |
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TopGun0069
Joined: 03 Jan 2001
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 7:30 am
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I have never seen a UFO with my own eyes. I am looking, though!
A pilot that used to be in the same squadron as me did have a close encounter with something once while flying, but in the short time that I knew him I never got it out of him exactly what he saw or what happened. I'm hoping to run into him again so I can get the story out of him over a few beers.
I have had radar tracks do some interesting things. I was on a cross-country one day and was over northern Mississippi at about 30,000 feet. I had a few radar "hits" at about 40 degrees off my left side, 20 miles or so away and 10,000 feet above me. I locked one of the blips up, and it went from a standstill to around 800 knots in about ten seconds. Soon, it was off my screen. I locked up another blip in the same area, and the second one did the same thing. I had no more radar hits in that area after that.
I kept my eyes in that direction but never did see anything. Of course, they would have had to be rather big for me to see them at 20 miles.
I don't know what it was that I had on radar that day, but I know that it has never happened before or since.
Dirk and other eevil debunker types, or whoever wants to lurk: Hop on over and join in on the conversation at Mav's Halfway House for Wayward Debunker-Types.
http://pub31.ezboard.com/bcontrailsandchemtrails22884
Chem11, I'm in the chat room. Fight's on.
Mav
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theseeker
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Tue Sep 04, 2001 7:53 am
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I locked one of the blips up, and it went from a standstill to around 800 knots in about ten seconds. Soon, it was off my screen.
Damn birds...lol...
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