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Chem11
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Megasprayer caught on video
 Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:41 am
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Eyesopen shot the video in question and it's being hosted over at MSN. So click the link...and while you're over there, be sure and vote for your favorite kitty on the topsites list.
I've gotcha now, Thermit! Though I guess there's no catching Renegade19 at this point...(sigh).
More to come.
http://megasprayer.pitas.com/
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theseeker
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Sat Aug 25, 2001 7:16 am
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for some reason I can't view the mooooovie...or any of them..my player seems to have disappeared...hmmmmm....
but chem I did notice a reference to what may be the may 3rd tornado...
Mysteriuos flah captured in tornado video footage
On may 5, 1999 F5 class tornado struck central Oklahoma. A local news program dispatched a helicopter to capture the event and wound up with more than they bargained for. Sorry, no video posted at KWTV's weblink yet...(Chem11)
I believe you are refering to the "unidentified flying thing" which I have seen and posted many times and is there...I'll dig it up and post it so you can see it below...
I'm pretty sure this is what you mean, I don't recall a may 5th event....and the one on the 3rd of may reset the fugita scale, it was a "f-6" and was the highest windspeed recorded on land ever 316 mph....
Unidentified flying thing
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Chem11
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Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:05 am
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Damnit. That was on the third, not the fifth. My bad. Thanks for the heads up and the link, T/S.
I've never seen anything like what's depicted in the video. I wouldn't want to even attempt to hazard a guess... |
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theseeker
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Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:42 am
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bizarre'...it was moving into the wind, a very curious series I think...the math maybe duncan could do...not my area...if indeed as some have said it was a metal pole , then approx. speed should be easy for engineers to figure....
speculating...looks more like old film of shell firings from ships...
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Chem11
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Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:51 am
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A metal pole?!? Boy, that's a stretch. You're right... it does look a bit like a shell being fired. Whatever it is, it's moving damned fast.
Man, it's taking all I've got not to post eyesopen's next video. Think I'll let that last one simmer for a little while longer, though...
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Dirk Digler
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Tue Aug 28, 2001 4:17 pm
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sorry guys,
the "bastard" appears to be a 4-engine commercial transport, probably a 747. because of the angle, all 4 trails appear as 1 "mega" trail.
DD
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Chem11
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Tue Aug 28, 2001 6:07 pm
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Sorry Dirk,
That looks more like a KC-135 to my eyes and it is quite obvious that one 'mega-trail' is being emitted. Blatantly obvious, in fact.
Have you actually watched the video? Can you demonstrate how the alleged angle of the plane could cause such an extreme optical illusion?
And how did you manage to identify the plane as a commercial flight?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Chem11 on 08-28-2001] |
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Dirk Digler
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Tue Aug 28, 2001 9:32 pm
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chem11,
i very well may be a KC-135 (707). 707's and 747's can be very hard to tell apart from long distances even for professionals.
yes i did see the video. what is obvious is that it was taken at a relatively low angle (look at the angle of the wings from the fuselage). from the poor quality and resolution i would bet that the aircraft was quite a distance away and low on the horizon.
it is obvious that the video is not from below and this is why you only see 1 trail not 4. however, it is also not uncommon for the contrails from all the engines to quickly combine and form 1 trail. so while i admit that am making some assumptions in my explanation, it seems that you are making an even bigger jump by explaning this as poison spray from an aircraft flown by air force "bastards". every point that you make can be explained by normal means.
i have a an mpeg of contrail formation at close range. give me your email if you would like it
DD
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Chem11
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 5:07 am
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Well, the video was taken at ground level, therefore below the plane, Mr. Digler. While I am of the opinion that the spray program is taking place with the knowledge and assistance of the USAF, I don't recall specifically referring to this aircraft as being property of the USAF or neccesarily being flown by AF personnel. Nor did I make any mention of 'poison'. Therefore, it becomes obvious that you have engaged in the art of assumption far more dilligently than I .
Neither have you addressed my question regarding your identification of this plane as a commercial aircaft.
I'm certainly interested in any video footage you are willing to provide.
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theseeker
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:07 am
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well, I finally got to se the video...5 or 6 years ago there was a horse named Arazi, this horse was the next secretariat...some said...ran 14th in the Kentucky derby....kind of like this video...is there a longer online version ? so we can see how long the trail actually was and how quick it dissapated ?
(chem, you can play alex trebek)
I'll take "emergency fump dump" for 500 chem....
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Chem11
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:03 am
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Noooo. I'm sorry thesseker. That is incorrect! 
Anyone remember that crystal clear photo of a jet releasing something fom it's wings that was circulating for a while not too long ago? Reynolds claims this was a fuel dump, and I'm inclined to agree with him on this particular occasion. It looks absolutely nothing like what is depicted in this video.
To answer your question, there is a much longer version of this video. The trail persists and begins to spread in all-to-familiar fashion. Unfortunately, bandwidth is at a premium these days so the short version is going to have to do, for now. There is a prismatic effect that is far more visible in the long version, as well as a strange flash of white light coming from the underside of the aircaft.
Now, if I was in the position of attempting to debunk this video as a fuel-dump, I would attempt to locate a video of a documeted fuel dump in progress for comparitive analysis.
A relatively easy task, one would think. Also interesting to note the lack of conscensus from the sceptics regarding this video. Here's the short list of inadequate explanataions proffered thus far:
1) Optical illusion based on perspective.
2)The contrails instantaneously merged to create one 'super contrail'.
3) It's an airframe contrail. (LOL)
4.) It's a fuel dump.
Chickie Deb spent fifteen hours trying to debunk this and the best she could do was post a link to criticisms of the Tiffany Brendt interview? She also claimed that the airspace in question is a 'special use area'... I'm don't know if that precludes the possibility of this being a commercial aircraft or not, but it doesn't really have any bearing on what is depicted in the video evidence.
So. Here we are.
Video evidence of an aircraft commonly referred to as a 'megasprayer' beceause of it's enormous and distinguishing spray pattern. The debunkers working overtime and making irrelevant assumptions and desperate attempts at deflecting attention from the video itself.
And they haven't even touched the on/off video. Too busy ripping each other apart in their little playpen. And since they're having such a hard time keeping up, I guess I'll hold off a bit longer on posting the two-in-one video.
Clear day in Seattle today, too. Life is good.
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theseeker
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:54 am
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Anyone remember that crystal clear photo of a jet releasing something fom it's wings that was circulating for a while not too long ago?
yep, that photo is a fake...toooo clear, and if you look at the reflections on the plane from the sun you will be convinced...
strange flash of white light coming from the underside of the aircaft.
a strobe maybe ?
I would attempt to locate a video of a documeted fuel dump in progress for comparitive analysis.
easier said than done...I heard a report on the tele...about a texas airport and a fuel dump...a report of gelitonus(sp?) goo was also reported...this area of the video was it a outside a major airport ?
3) It's an airframe contrail. (LOL)
now that I think a bit and roll the video a time or two...the background area to me looks saturated with moisture...not clear blue....the plane looks to be descending incrementally...(rulers out !)
'special use area'
military, you really ought to get F/E, it's a blast....and believe me your own eyes don't cut it, til you get an impartial electronic opinion...
Video evidence of an aircraft commonly referred to as a 'megasprayer' beceause of it's enormous and distinguishing spray pattern.
megasprayer....(chuckle....rolleyes)
I'll hold off a bit longer on posting the two-in-one video.
just post a longer version of the video...lol...
Clear day in Seattle today, too. Life is good.
damn sure is....
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Chem11
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:58 am
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Don't think it's a strobe, T/S. Too bright for that time of day... my first impression was that it was the sun reflecting off of something or other. But that doesn't seem likely, either. You'd have to see it. Trouble is, it's a 20 meg file. And I've got a ten meg file size limit.
I'll see if I can track that photo down again. I'm curious as to it's origin.
Yeah, the background sky is saturated allright....  
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3T3L1
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:55 pm
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I think it's the sun, too, Chem. If you've ever seen the sun glinting off an airplane or weather balloon at sunset, you get the idea. It was 4:00 PM, so the sun would have been fairly low in the sky. Is there a shiny spot anywhere on the nose of a KC-135? |
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Dirk Digler
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Wed Aug 29, 2001 5:05 pm
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chem,
the reason that i referred to 707's and 747's as commercial aircraft is because that is what they are. both have been modified for military purposes. (although technically, the 747's roots are tied to a failed attempt by boeing to win the USAF MAC bid for a heavy lift a/c in 1960's, eventually won by lockheed's c-5).
obviously the camera is "below" the aircraft. the point that i thought that i made clear was that the camera was obviously not directly below. the aircraft was relatively low on the horizon.
i guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. i see something that i have seen thousands of times from both the ground and from the flightdeck. you see something sinister. in order for me to accept that this video shows something out of the ordinary then i have to come to the conclusion that this is the case everytime i have seen a similar sight. i cant logically make that assumption. i have seen it too many times in my career.
respectfully
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