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Sore Throat
Joined: 01 Sep 2000
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Terrorist Attack & Return of Blue Skies
 Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:21 am
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Today there was certainly a monumental loss of innocent lives in America, and inevitably it will bring a change of life as we knew it.
The grounding of all COMMERCIAL aircraft is absolutely unprecedented.
For those concerned about the spraying of our skies, this unique situation affords an opportunity for careful observation. Now would be an excellent time for all those concerned to meticulously record their observations on the inevitable return of white skies. Couple your observations with atmospheric soundings - Skew-T diagrams - to establish whether physical conditions are appropriate for persistent trails.
In the memory of those who have died, perhaps we will be able to gain insight on a particularly insidious form of domestic terrorism.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Sore Throat on 09-11-2001] |
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Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
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Location: S. Bossier, Louisiana |
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:33 am
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Colleague got pictures of "something" making chem circle-like patterns in NW Louisiana. Will get developed and see what he got....all planes grounded?? Gotta get to those pics of his! I saw what I thought were "chem" remnants today in S. Bossier...wisps, particulate, took some photos also. Blessings, J. ^j^
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Delphi on 09-13-2001] |
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Ellyn
Joined: 16 Jul 2000
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:39 am
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Spokane, Washington and the vast surrounding area was heavily sprayed yesterday. Today I observed a thick chemtrail-created haze and numerous chemtrail-created clouds, but no jet aircraft. Spokane was sprayed very heavily last week also.
I'd like to make a note that although I post my chemtrail observations from the Spokane area and therefore often speak of the heavy spraying in Spokane, the actual area being sprayed is extremely broad.
Last Thursday I had occasion to travel from Spokane (which borders Idaho) to Okanogan (located northwest of Spokane in Central Washington on the Washington-Canada border). The entire sky from Spokane to Okanogan was covered with chemtrail-created clouds. Now, this is only one direction. How much of the sky was covered in all the directions in which I was not travelling?
I asked myself what the day would have been like had the skies not been covered with chemtrails. The next day, on my way back to Spokane, I found out. It was a beautiful blue-sky day with gorgeous natural billowy clouds in the sky. I'm glad I had the opportunity to experience at least one nice travel day.
When a long-haul trucker relay to me his observations of chemtrail activity, he often observes chemtrails covering entire states from state line to state line and beyond.
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penumbra
Joined: 24 Apr 2001
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:47 pm
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I'm so glad you brought this up Sore Throat. By yesterday afternoon the sky here was perfectly clear, and remains that way today. Forecast is for clear skys through tonight. I can't remember the last time I heard that. The amount of stars visible here last night was stunning. And the silence (lack of air traffic) is surreal. I had a sense last night that this may be our chance to get through to people, congressmen, media, etc. People are bound to notice the change in the weather! And right now they have been shocked out of their paradigm. |
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:56 pm
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Northern Calif/Lake Co...... Blue skies here are quickly disappearing this a.m. Being replaced with thin wispy, dripping "clouds" all in rows and filling the sky. They are forming over our county and being blown towards the Sacramento Valley. No planes heard or visible. HAARP |
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
Posts: 582
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:07 pm
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"Northern Calif/Lake Co...... Blue skies here are quickly disappearing this a.m. Being replaced with thin wispy, dripping "clouds" all in rows and filling the sky. They are forming over our county and being blown towards the Sacramento Valley. No planes heard or visible. HAARP"
Dear Mr. David:
From what I read of your post above, you seem to be postulating one of several different scenarios.
1. Clouds that are not the result of aircraft contrails are chemtrails, too. ("... thin wispy, dripping 'clouds' all in rows...")
Yet if it is possible to have chemtrails that are not the result of airplanes, why is there all the uproar between aircraft contrails and chemtrails?
2. They are the result of aircraft activity, but these aircraft are quiet and invisible ones. ("No planes heard or visible.")
Yet if there are aircraft that are "cloaked" why didn't we see the contrails? Are they "cloaked", too? And if we have "cloaked" aircraft that can produce "cloaked" contrails, why are we taking all these pictures of aircraft and contrails?
3. Some chemtrails are formed, not by airplanes, but by the government's High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP). ("HAARP")
If HAARP can cause chemtrails, I'm sure it'd be a lot cheaper than flying a bazillion aircraft 24/7 all over the world. It would also be a lot easier to keep the real reason for HAARP secret (since only a couple hundred researchers would need to know the 'real' purpose) than it would to keep the aircraft-spray method secret (because there'd have to be hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in on the secret).
If you postulate the existence of chemtrails, then the hypothesis that makes the most sense is that all chemtrails are the result of aircraft spraying, and, since all aircraft were grounded, there were no chemtrails, and what you saw yesterday were simply naturally formed clouds.
There is another hypothesis, of course, but I don't believe this is the place to bring it up.
In any event, I'd like to hear your input. There may be several hypotheses that you were considering that I missed.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525 |
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penumbra
Joined: 24 Apr 2001
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Location: North Carolina |
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:20 pm
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HAARP could cause clouds to form using the chemicals already present in the sky. As an example: The photoluminescent strands and particulate matter are visible in large quantities on clear days that are preceded by heavy spray days. This has been observed by many people in different areas of the country. |
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:12 pm
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I was only attempting to report what I observed, which at this point I think was a huge mistake. I made no claims other that I see what I see and heard or seen no planes.
And I would be interested in knowing what the other thing is that you do not want to post here.
"There is another hypothesis, of course, but I don't believe this is the place to bring it up." Please Mr. Kunz, enlighten me.
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:12 pm
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Iam still waiting Mr.Kunz for you answer sir.
"There is another hypothesis, of course, but I don't believe this is the place to bring it up."
Seems rather impolite for a gentleman such as youself  to leave this hanging. What other place would rather "bring it up"?
David
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:15 pm
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Dear Colleagues:
Thank you for your comments and inputs to my post. I apologize for not answering sooner, but I had spent most of the morning at the travel agent's office with my wife, canceling our vacation which was to have started tomorrow. Lufthansa Flight 449 from Phoenix to Athens via Frankfurt has, of course, been canceled; and spending three weeks in eastern Europe does not seem like a peaceful vacation now.
With your concurrence, I shall respond to both of your posts in this letter. Mr. David, since my original post was to you, I shall reply to you first. As usual, your posts are in "quotes"; my response in italics.
"I was only attempting to report what I observed, which at this point I think was a huge mistake."
I hope it wasn't my response that made you think you made a mistake! In a forum like this, we can expect that our comments and ideas are treated with courtesy and respect. However, I think we should also expect that our colleagues will, at the very least, question each others' assertions. How else could we exchange opinions? I am sure that if i were to make a pronouncement that some folks didn't agree with, I would at least get a note asking me to explain my views further.
I also would like to apologize if I had - even inadvertently - assumed you actually were pushing one of the three scenarios I mentioned. What I meant to convey was that you seemed to be postulating one of those scenarios. Of course, I haven't a clue as to which hypothesis if any, you were postulating; this is why I had asked for further input, and mentioned "There may be several hypotheses that you were considering that I missed." Again, if my assumptions were wrong, I apologize.
Regarding other hypotheses: Even on this board, which Mr Thermit runs with courtesy and open-mindedness, some things are simply not "politically correct" and would tend to upset other colleagues here. If you would care to discuss such hypotheses off-line, please feel free to contact me at duncankunz@home.com, and I will be glad to discuss them further
Mr. Penumbra, you mentioned that "HAARP could cause clouds to form using the chemicals already present in the sky."
That may be the case, but I have seen no research on the correlation between operation of the HAARP and cloud formation. If there were a way you could use an ELF receiver to determine the time of HAARP activity and correlate it with subsequent cloud formation, of course, it would be sound data and an excellent study; however, to the best of my knowledge, such a study hasn't been done.
"As an example: The photoluminescent strands and particulate matter are visible in large quantities on clear days that are preceded by heavy spray days."
I am not sure that spray days causing "photoluminescent strands and particulate matter" are analogous to the presence of low-frequency electromagnetic signals and cloud formation. Nonetheless, despite anecdotal evidence, I am not aware of any studies - even those on the Carnicom site - that correlate particulates with heavy contrails. Again, if a study were performed - using strict controls - that showed an increase in particulates after a heavy-contrail regime, it would be a good thing, since it would be a piece of data that couldn't be easy ignored by the mainstream media.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
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afraidofsunlight
Joined: 14 Jan 2001
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Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:22 pm
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Hello,
The dust and chem-flake's are so visible at certain time's of the day that you don't need shade's.Early morning and late afternoon.Dieing tree's placed between yourself and the chem-sun are a great backdrop.
Toilet bowl ring-round the horizen.The sprayer's were out before dawn,stop and start.They left us a lovely X right over Baltimore.Lot's of small chemtrail's.By late afternoon the magic cloud's had appeared.They are melting as I write this.
Some rah-rah flag waving,and blood donor's.
Most don't give a s!@# too much.
It will take more then this to wake up the Prozac loving masses.
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roman
Joined: 20 Sep 2000
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Location: Marietta Ohio USA |
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Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:47 am
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I seen the first chemtrail at 9AM this morning,It was one of those west to eastlong wide dripping kind.It quickly spred and remained most of the morning. By noon it was business as usual over the valley.Tonight we have the normal chem dome. Yesterday I seen no trails at all . roman... |
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Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
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Location: S. Bossier, Louisiana |
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Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:17 am
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Pen, HAARP WAS turned on yesterday to maximum power at 3:15 PM PDT...at 6.965MHz Pulses 6.25 with dual pre-tones with short 15 second pauses. There was particulate matter, strands, and wispy formations and dirty, chem style cloud remnants in NW Louisiana. Additionally,my colleague may have on photos, "some" type of craft making individual circles of spray patterns in afternoon. Blessings, Joanne ^j^
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Delphi on 09-13-2001] |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
Posts: 3616
Location: SW coast of Oregon |
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Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:21 am
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It has been very hard to see the sky due to thick windshield wiper fog here on the south oregon coast the last two days. The "fog" is now lifting at 515PM and i can see some "aged chemclouds" above. Yesterday at 6PM i could see a few fresh line out over the coast thru the lifting fog. The satelittes show a few "lines in the "fog"bank" off shore.
You realize don't you that if they DO continue to spray when the SHOULD be pulling together the tanker fleet for support against an attack on the US or a counter attack, that the probability that they were the ones that were the terrorists becomes much higher.
I know we got a tremendouse barrage of spray in the daze leading up to the attack, you could call it mind numming... |
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Catnip57
Joined: 22 Apr 2001
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Location: Central Washington |
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Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:22 am
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quote:
I know we got a tremendouse barrage of spray in the daze leading up to the attack, you could call it mind numming...
I have to agree with that particular observation Mark. Two days prior to the WTC attack we had a stepped up chemtrails operation.. which was more than I've seen in our area for a couple of months now.
The day of the attack the skies were clear blue... no spraying and no clouds of any kind present here in the Yakima Valley. Today we have some high cirrus clouds but I haven't seen any planes.
I think one thing that can be ruled out is the hypothesis that the chemtrails are being created by increased air traffic or even commercial airlines since all of us know that these last two days there have been no commercial air traffic flying due to the terrorist attacks.
From what I hear the airliners are still waiting to hear when they can get back to business so this is an ideal time for us observant folks to gather in as much information we can as to the identiy of the sprayers.
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