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Spliffy
Joined: 01 Sep 2001
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What are "chemtrails"?
 Wed Sep 19, 2001 3:36 am
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Contrails used to be long thin lines way up high that would disapear fast. I have not seen one of those in a couple years now. Contrails now, no matter what kind of plane, seem to be bigger. Some of them disapear after a few seconds, some linger all day and can melt together and create overcast or "chem haze" and have a great effect on local weather.
I see the huge contrails "chemtrails" covering our skies on a regular basis but am still not sure what they are. I beleive they are created by airplanes but what make or model I don't know.
I am still not convinced there are any bad intentions with these "chemtrails" but they definatley are an eyesore and I once enjoyed bright blue skies with a clear sun that was not perma-corona.
I'm hoping Duncan Kunz might answer this as I believe he works @ Boeing. Why are contrails different nowadays. Surely you have a curiousity into these and have a network of people to ask I simply do not. What are these things?
Not interested in a flame war with anyone, just looking for some answers. I don't want to believe there is poison in our sky everytime I look up but if there is I want to be sure of it before continuing on informing people.
I have never seen an answer as to what these are and when the people are asked who we should be asking, we never get a straight response, the large contrails either don't exist or they are the "same contrails as always" which is obviously false info.
Anyways I'm open to all ideas. Let's get to the bottom of this.
Thanx all and PEACE |
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Wed Sep 19, 2001 6:30 am
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Dear Mr. Spliffy:
There are two schools of thoughts about contrails. Almost everyone believes that the increased number of contrails results in an increased number or amount of clouds. No one is sure, but most people think that the increase in cloud cover could have some bad long-term effects on climate, since additional clouds mean cooler days and warmer nights.
The two “schools of thought” on contrails are these:
School #1. There is a difference between regular contrails (which are just exhaust particles mixed with frozen water vapor from the aircraft's engines) and other trails. These other trails are sprayed deliberately. There is a lot of disagreement as to what stuff is deliberately
sprayed, since no one has ever been able to go up there and collect the stuff.
Som people think it is barium, or aluminum, or mold, or other chemicals. Some people think it is done to make people sick; others believe it is a secret plan to 'vaccinate' or 'immunize' the people against some disease. Still others believe it is used to stop global warming.
People are divided as to who is spraying the stuff. Some people think it's the US military, others think it's someone else. Some people think it's being done for good purposes, and others think it is being done for bad purposes.
But almost everyone who follows School #1 believes that whoever is doing it is keeping it a secret, and they don’t like the fact that whomever is doing the stuff is keeping it a secret.
School #2. There is no difference between regular contrails and the ones which last a lot longer. The reason we see more contrails is that there is simply more airline traffic (or there was, anyway, until the attack last week) and we tend to look up at the sky more, since we’ve been
hearing about chemtrails.
People who believe in School #2 say that everything you see in the sky can be explained by normal atmospheric conditions. They also say that no one has ever collected stuff from the contrails while it’s actually up there, although some people have collected stuff that may have come from contrails originally. The School #2 people say that, if it were a plot, it would have to be a huge one, with everyone in aviation involved, and that we simply couldn’t keep a plot that size secret.
Mostly, the people from the two different schools of thought don’t like each other. Many of the people from School #2 think that anyone who believes in chemtrails is a paranoid idiot. Many of the people from School #1 think that people who don’t believe in chemtrails are idiots, or that
there are a part of the secret plot themselves.
For a long time, the main guy in School #1 was Cliff Carnicom and the main guy in School #2 was Jay Reynolds. But they both have earned a reputation of being nasty, and most people say that if you don’t agree with Cliff, he will not let you post on his board, and if you don’t agree with Jay,
he’ll insult you.
So now most of the people in School #1 hang out here, while the people in School #2 tend to hang out at Chickie Deb’s site
(http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=Earthboundmisfit ). Chickie used to be a big School #1 person, but she changed her mind.
One interesting thing is that you will find people who are chemtrail-believers (like on this board) who, even though they agree about chemtrails being a plot, really hate each other and get into really stupid catfights. And the same goes for the chemtrail-non-believers, or debunkers. Some
of them hate each other a lot too, and get into the same cat-fights.
Interestingly enough, every now and then, someone comes up with an idea about how we could actually run some experiments and find out for sure about contrails. But neither the chemtrail guys or the debunker guys really follow through. I think it’s because neither side really wants to spend the time working it through. I think it’s more like a social thing, where you’re either an
Arizona Cardinal or a Dallas Cowboy so you have to hate each other. Some people are really into it, too.
Anyway, that’s my take on the chemtrail thing. Most of the people here are School #1 folks (chemtrail believers), but I am School #2, or a debunker. There are some other debunkers and chemtrail-believers that are real jerks, but most of the folks on either side are pretty nice.
The important thing, though, is not to get your underpants caught in the wringer.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 09-19-2001] |
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Spliffy
Joined: 01 Sep 2001
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Wed Sep 19, 2001 7:46 am
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Duncan
Thank you for the quick and humorous response. You can call me Spliffy without the Mr. and i'm sure i can call you Duncan. I respect you for posting your name and number but would not do that myself on the net.
I filter through the bs you described very well and have no desire to be a part of that.
I am not a "chemmie" or a "debunker" just a guy wondering why my skies look like crap.
The large contrails or "chemtrails" were not there a few years ago. I have been a skywatcher since I was born (1976) and there has been a huge change in the skies.
Increased air traffic does not account for the increase in the size of contrails around the world. How come no one can seem to get an answer as to why the contrails are so huge nowadays? Why don't the weathermen ever mention them when they are reporting sky conditions. Questions you probably can't answer but questions that make me wonder about the large contrails.
Surely you have noticed your skies on occasion get whited out by contrails. Have you seen a long skinny contrail lately? Is this engine mods, different fuel? A barium, anthrax, harpp omelette?
Anyone is welcome to respond.
Peace |
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Ellyn
Joined: 16 Jul 2000
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Wed Sep 19, 2001 8:29 am
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You can find many articles on chemtrails at Rense.com ( http://www.rense.com ) . Go to the bottom of the page where it says: "Can't find a story? Click here." Then click "Keyword Search." Then in the space provided type the word "chemtrails." You will find at least a hundred articles on chemtrails and many photos within these articles. |
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Spliffy
Joined: 01 Sep 2001
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Wed Sep 19, 2001 11:19 am
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Ellyn
Thank you for the site. I do already know about the huge contrails (chamtrails) in the sky. I have read a lot of the the writings on chemtrails. I want to rule out legitimate reasons for them though. A change in the atmosphere, different fuel, etc..
I have my own pictures and know what i've seen but I don't know why they look like they do.
What do you think "chemtrails" are? |
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Thermit
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Wed Sep 19, 2001 9:29 pm
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Spliffy,
I did some research on these trails:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
What I found was that normal passenger and commercial liners usually did not produce very long lasting contrails. Most of the time the trails were less than a minute in persistence. Although, I did see a very few contrails that lasted closer to half an hour. I didn't see any contrails that lasted all day. Of course it depends on the atmospheric conditions (and the jet), but contrails were not causing the white-out days in my research.
I also observed flights which didn't show up on Flight Explorer. Based on factors which I detail in my report, I feel that these planes, which can't be tracked, are military flights. I observed these flights produce contrails very similar to those made by the passenger/commerical flights. However, at times, these flights would also leave behind trail strips of varying length that didn't seem to disapate like the contrails did. These trails actually seemed to last for several hours. To me it is these trails that sometimes came from the flights I believe were military, that I consider suspicious. These are the trails that I call Chemtrails.
I encourage everyone to do their own research with Flight Explorer. I found it very enlightening, and I'm sure that anyone who uses it to study the trails will learn something. I certainly did.
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Wed Sep 19, 2001 11:02 pm
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Dear Spliffy:
Talk about a senior moment! When I mentioned that nothing had been done from a research point of view, I completely forgot about Thermit's work. It is an excellent research effort, and is probably the only serious piece of investigation in the entire field.
Duncan
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Spliffy
Joined: 01 Sep 2001
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Wed Sep 19, 2001 11:46 pm
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Thermit
I did forget about your flight explorer research and have browsed through it before. Very interesting stuff and thank you for taking the time to do it.
I still wonder why normal commercial jets leave bigger contrails then they used to and this I am sure of.
Something I have left out. On the day of the WTC disaster and the few days after there were still "chemtrails" which were obviously not cause by commercial aircraft.
Anyways Thermit your work is appreciated. Whats your take on Chemtrails?
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Spliffy
Joined: 01 Sep 2001
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Fri Sep 21, 2001 12:17 am
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I have found the missing link to everything...Oprah backwards is...HARPo..
OK kidding
I still ask anyone who might know why ALL contrails are large now and has anyone seen a good old thin line in the sky recently? |
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