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Whitelighter
Joined: 03 Jun 2001
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Where might I find proof they are spraying?
 Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:07 pm
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Many people do not believe they are sparying and I would like to know if there is proof that would be good enough for these people that think they are contrails. |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Location: Texas |
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Fri Sep 21, 2001 11:27 pm
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Whitelighter,
If there was solid proof everyone would already know what was going on. The only research that I am aware of that establishes any semblance of evidence that it isn't contrails is my research with Flight Explorer.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
Using this tool for several months, I concluded that normal airline traffic was not responsible for the trails that lasted all day. Normal traffic produced contrails that lasted from 5 seconds to 25 minutes, although the 25 minutes was not typical. Most contrails from passenger/commercial traffic was less than a minute. It appeared that military planes were intermittently creating the trails that lasted for hours and hours.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 09-21-2001] |
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goldrush
Joined: 04 Sep 2000
Posts: 109
Location: No, Calif. USA |
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Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:44 am
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Probably, they were at more"contrail producing altitudes" Higher.... It can happen..... interpolations of humidity factors can vary from mile to mile. Only a person who can or will go "there" knows for sure. Let us pray for those who have really been damaged by those who malevolently intended to cause a predetermined HARM. Our souls are infinite by the blessing of our Creators'choice. Choice is our gift, as well. |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
Posts: 3616
Location: SW coast of Oregon |
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Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:52 am
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enlightenment comes fast
one has only to look up these daze it seems to find confirmation
and let me be the first to commend you for showing up
when no one else is aware
[Edited 1 times, lastly by mark sky on 09-22-2001] |
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
Posts: 582
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Sat Sep 22, 2001 7:21 am
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Dear Mr. Whitelighter:
I guess it depends on what you mean by "proof" and -- more importantly -- what these
other people would consider "proof".
There are only a couple of ways you could get enough "proof" to silence the skeptics, and both of
them are difficult to do.
First, to collect some of the residue from the contrails while it's still in the contrail formation
(which is called in situ collection), take it to a reputable lab, have them evaluate it, and then
publish your results. Of course, you'd want to make sure that several different folks were with
you when you did these steps, and you'd want to document everything as you went along.
Second, to use a method called lidar spectroscopy, which involves pointing a high-powered laser
at the contrail, illuminating it, and determine the chemical compounds that are present by doing a
spectroscopic analysis, which is pretty easy to do, if you’ve ever taken analytical chemistry in
school (however, I’m not at all sure how the lidar part works). Again, you’d want to have people
on both sides of the issue along with you and document everything, including the techniques you
used to illuminate the contrail, and the methodology for doing the spectroanalysis.
There are also a couple of ways that are not proof, but are pretty good evidence of
some of the potential effects of contrails.
One way would be to determine a correlation between high levels of contrails and, say,
respiratory illnesses. Actually, this would be much more difficult to do than the two methods
above, since you’d have to figure out how long it would take for the contrail-stuff to reach
the ground and then measure the statistical variance of reported cases of pulmonary or
respiratory illnesses. Most skeptics wouldn’t buy into what’s called “anecdotal” evidence, which
is where the investigator says something like, “well, a half hour after the contrails I started to get
a scratchy throat”. Instead, you’d have to show this statistical thing, which involves some hard
work getting all the reports from the clinics, etc., then using some sophisticated mathematics to
determine if there really is a difference and if that difference is what’s called “statistically
significant”.
You can see that providing either proof or hard statistical evidence is not easy to do.
Most people don’t have either the time, training, desire, or money to actually do the research, so I
guess there are folks that won’t be convinced.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 09-22-2001] |
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
Posts: 1344
Location: Lubbock, Texas |
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Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:03 pm
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Another way to prove chemtrails is to observe "contrails" appearing at altitudes where temperature + relative humidity indicates they ought not to form. You can find current temperatures and relative humidities at 1000' increments using the ADDS internet site. But how to figure out the altitude of the "contrail"?
1. Flight Explorer works, if it's not a military flight. (There are other types of planes which don't show up on Flight Explorer as well.)
2. A rangefinder would give you the distance to the "contrail," but not its altitude. It's hard to find an affordable rangefinder which accurately estimates 4-8 mile distances.
3. A clinometer would work, if you shoot angles to a precise location on the "contrail" from two locations on the ground which are several miles apart. You have to know the exact distance between the locations. That gives you two angles, one side, and (with a little trigonometry) the altitude of the triangle.
I'm working on #3, once I solve a small cash flow problem.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by 3T3L1 on 09-22-2001] |
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
Posts: 1381
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Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:54 pm
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Whitelighter
Here is something you might care to read.
You might find it interesting.
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/afwa/
By the way, just using the power of observation can tell you volumes. Science is 90% observation, don't be fooled by those that tell you are not seeing what you see.
Our remaining debunkers are nice about it, but they are just that,debunkers. 
Thermits data base is extensive, check out the photos, many by mark sky, and see what others are observing, they cannot all be wrong.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by David on 09-22-2001] |
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IZAKOVIC
Joined: 09 Jan 2001
Posts: 130
Location: Rijeka, Croatia (Europe) |
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Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:18 pm
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Whitelighter
Your whole life is just that what you and only you make out of it. With chemtrails it is the same. If you decide that they are are natural and fine for you then you do not have the need to ask any questions. If you have a doubt than nobody can answer that question for you. You must learn by yourself alone. So, go out there and learn.
09-22-2001
IZAKOVIC http://www.deepspace4.com
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Whitelighter
Joined: 03 Jun 2001
Posts: 5
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Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:24 am
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I believe they are spraying, I fond out a little over two years ago. I have enough proof for my self, yet it is not enough for many people. |
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Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
Posts: 1571
Location: S. Bossier, Louisiana |
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Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:49 am
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I know the feeling, been working on it and the ufo researching too, and it is rather daunting. Been researching the ufo scenario for over 20 years....no one thinks too much about that either. Welcome and nice meeting ya here. IZAKOVIC does have an excellent website about chems and everything from A/Z and I have chem info from my area, NW Louisiana at his website, also,under Bossier, Louisiana chems.... There is info, pics, articles there...I know what you mean...many of us have proof from observations, pictures, and chem illnesses even..Blessings, Joanne ^j^ |
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IZAKOVIC
Joined: 09 Jan 2001
Posts: 130
Location: Rijeka, Croatia (Europe) |
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Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:09 pm
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Whitelighter
It will never be enough for everybody, but if those who believe spread their beliefs around it should help some of them.
09-23-2001
IZAKOVIC
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Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
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Location: S. Bossier, Louisiana |
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Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:31 pm
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Amen to that IZAKOVIC, and so very true!! Blessings, Joanne ^j^ ^j^ |
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