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Neo-Cons messing with Iran may wake SLEEPING DRAGON (China)
 Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:01 am
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Neo-Cons messing with Iran may wake SLEEPING DRAGON (China)
These idiots are playing with fire. It seems they are trying to get into Iran through the back door.
Ummmm....does anyone else here know whom Iran has STRONG ties with?
Yup...you guessed it..CHINA.
Now...
How do you spell ARMAGEDDON folks?
CLOWN-doh-SLEEZA-Rice is going to become our new SECRETARY OF STATE.
Idiots.
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:11 am
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/politics/18nukes.html?th=&adxnnl=1&oref=login&adxnnlx=1106273370-3rplfFXcQMUUttEIZchEmg
U.S. Punishes 8 Chinese Firms for Aiding Iran
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: January 18, 2005
WASHINGTON, Jan. 17 - The Bush administration imposed penalties this month against some of China's largest companies for aiding Iran's efforts to improve its ballistic missiles. The move is part of an effort by the White House and American intelligence agencies to identify and slow important elements of Iran's weapons programs.
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The White House made no public announcement of the penalties, and the State Department placed a one-page notice on page 133 of The Federal Register early this month listing eight Chinese companies affected. The notice kept classified the nature of the technology they had exported.
Since the Federal Register announcement, the penalties have been noted on some Web sites that concentrate on China and proliferation issues.
President Bush has repeatedly praised China for its help in seeking a diplomatic end to the North Korean nuclear standoff. Some officials in the administration speculated in the past week that the decision not to publicize the penalties might have been part of an effort not to jeopardize Chinese cooperation at a critical moment in the administration's effort to bring North Korea back to the negotiating table.
China has repeatedly vowed to curb its sales of missile technology, starting with an agreement with the first Bush administration in 1992, and expanded with the Clinton administration in 2000.
But two of the largest companies cited in the State Department's list, China Great Wall Industry Corporation and China North Industry Corporation, known as Norinco, have been repeatedly penalized for more than a decade; each is closely linked to the Chinese military.
A third company on the penalties list, the China Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation, or Catic, is one of the country's largest producers of military aircraft and was accused of diverting to military use sophisticated machine tools bought from McDonnell Douglas. Eighteen months ago, a senior State Department official, Paula A. DeSutter, referred to several of the companies as part of China's "serial proliferator problem," and told a Congressional commission on relations between the United States and China that although the Chinese government had often repeated its opposition to missile proliferation, "the reality has been quite different."
In the 1990's, Republicans in Congress began a series of investigations into China's efforts to obtain American nuclear technology and to export missile and nuclear expertise to Pakistan, Iran and possibly other nations. At the time, they sharply criticized the Clinton administration, accusing it of playing down Chinese offenses. Bush administration officials, when asked about the penalties over the past week, said nothing was particularly notable about the latest violations and that no evidence suggested that China's leadership was aware of the sales.
One senior American official said the transactions took place "within the past year or 18 months," or well after the last American penalties were announced on Chinese sales to Iran, in July 2003.
American officials said the list of exports to Iran was classified, but they described them as high-performance metals and components that are banned under the Iran Nonproliferation Act of 2000 because they could aid the country's efforts to extend the range of its missile fleet. It was unclear whether some of the technology was "dual use," meaning that it could be used for civilian or military purposes.
Iran's efforts to develop longer-distance missiles that are capable of ever larger payloads are increasingly of concern among intelligence officials. American officials have charged that Iran is trying to develop nuclear warheads, which its leadership denies.
"We suspect that the Iranians also have the Chinese bomb design," a former senior American official said several months ago, referring to a design that Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani nuclear scientist, acquired from China, sold to Libya and was suspected of peddling elsewhere. "What everyone is looking for is the missile that matches up with the design."
American intelligence agencies are focusing much energy, officials say, on identifying major sites for Iran's nuclear and missile programs. That information is collected, in part, to plan for possible military strikes, though President Bush has repeatedly said he is focusing on diplomacy to disarm Iran.
Still, Mr. Bush has also repeatedly said he would never summarily rule out any option in a crisis. In an interview broadcast Monday night by NBC News, when asked about using military action in Iran, he said, "I hope we can solve it diplomatically, but I will never take any option off the table."
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In an article in The New Yorker this week, titled "The Coming Wars," Seymour M. Hersh reports that "the administration has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer."
He continued: "Much of the focus is on the accumulation of intelligence and targeting information on Iranian nuclear, chemical and missile sites, both declared and suspected. The goal is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision strikes and short-term commando raids."
Administration officials said intelligence agencies had long worked to identify those sites, but they denied that more consideration was being given to striking those sites.
"That's not the plan," a senior official said. "In fact, a lot of energy is going into trying to keep the Israelis from getting ideas along those lines."
For now, some of the American intelligence is being provided to the International Atomic Energy Agency to spur it to conduct investigations in Iran. Last week, inspectors visited one such military site, called Parchin, where the United States says work may be under way to develop a nuclear warhead.
Although the agency took soil samples to determine whether nuclear materials had been present at the site, it has no jurisdiction over missile work, or any authority to enforce the Missile Technology Control Regime, a voluntary international agreement that regulates the sale of missile components and designs. Many of Iran's missiles are based on North Korean designs, and one North Korean company, Paeksan Associated Corporation, was penalized, with the eight Chinese companies. The penalties bar the companies from doing business with the United States government, and prevent them from obtaining export licenses allowing them to buy controlled technologies from American companies. Some of the penalized Chinese companies do little or no business with the United States, but Norinco, a maker of handguns and assault weapons, does millions of dollars of business here, and other companies are constantly in search of American technology.
Some American businesses have argued that the penalties are often self-defeating, contributing to the huge trade gap with China but doing little to deter Chinese companies from exporting nuclear, chemical or missile technology to nuclear aspirants like Iran.
A senior administration official, asked about the penalties, said Monday in an interview that the Chinese "are moving in the right direction generally" on proliferation and have stopped some exports to North Korea, including a chemical that could be used in reprocessing spent nuclear fuel into weapons.
But the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the subject included intelligence matters, said that "while they are helping us on North Korea, they have not been as helpful on Iran," perhaps because of China's ever expanding need for oil and other energy sources.
President Bush, the official said, was trying to make the point to Chinese officials that their companies "are not going to be able to sustain the patterns of trade needed for strong economic growth and continued inward investment" in China if they are repeatedly penalized for aiding Iran.
But evidence is slight that previous penalties have seriously impeded the growth of the Chinese companies. In her testimony to the China commission, Ms. DeSutter, the senior State Department official, argued that Beijing's nonproliferation commitments of 1992, 1994, 1998, 2000 and, most recently, a specific set of export control rules issued by China in 2002 "occurred only under the imminent threat, or in response to the actual imposition, of sanctions."
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:40 am
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The arrogance of BUSH is parallel to that of Adolf Hitler.
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:46 pm
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Most of you have probably already heard about this story that's still very much developing but in no way confirmed as being true....yet! But in case you haven't heard, it seems that several Chinese individuals may have had a sinister plot for attacking Boston. One can only wonder just how much involvement the Chinese government may or may not have actually had in this operation?
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=978521&tw=wn_wire_story
Radiation Sensors Deployed as Boston Probes Threat
Reuters logo Friday, January 21, 2005 12:51 p.m. ET
By Greg Frost
BOSTON (Reuters) - Police carrying radiation detectors patrolled Boston's subway system on Friday after the FBI added another 10 names to a list of people it wants to question over a reported "dirty bomb" plot in the city.
Authorities reassured area residents that there was no cause for panic two days after an uncorroborated tip triggered a Federal Bureau of Investigation manhunt. Media reports spoke of threats to explode a so-called "dirty bomb" which disperses low-level radioactive material.
The top federal prosecutor in Massachusetts would not rule out the possibility of a hoax, while Boston newspapers reported on Friday that officials were eyeing revenge as a possible motive for the anonymous tip received by California police.
"It could be a drug deal gone bad and (the tipster is) using this threat of a terrorist attack to bring a ton of heat down on someone," the Boston Herald quoted one unnamed law enforcement official as saying.
While there was no change in the terror alert status either nationally or in Massachusetts, authorities appeared to be treating the potential threat seriously.
The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority, the region's mass transit system, deployed more officers than normal around downtown Boston and some were using radiation sensors, according to Deputy Chief John Martino.
"As is the case with any alert we deploy teams of officers with radiological detectors throughout the system," Martino told Reuters, adding that such deployments were also standard for big events such as the Boston Marathon and July 4.
The FBI, which on Wednesday night released the names and photographs of two Chinese men and two Chinese women it sought for questioning in connection with the potential threat, released the names of another 10 people on Thursday night.
The FBI called the 10 people -- nine men and one woman -- "persons of interest in the unspecified potential threat to the City of Boston." But as with the four names released on Wednesday night, the FBI said none of the names had ever shown up on any "watch list."
Eight of the nine men had Chinese names, while the ninth was named Jose Ernesto Beltran Quinones.
The FBI released passport numbers and possible dates of birth for six of the 10 people. The lone woman, Yu Xian Weng, was listed with two passport numbers and two possible dates of birth.
Officials at the Chinese Embassy in Washington were not immediately available for comment.
Copyright © 2003 Reuters Limited.
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:50 pm
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"Persons of interest", wonder why?
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:54 pm
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I quote....
"...the plan is to engineer events real and staged that will cause enormous fear
in the countdown to 2012. This includes a plan to start a third world war either by stimulating the Muslim world into a "holy war" against the west--or--by using China
to cause global conflict....mabye both."
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Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:12 am
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I think this sums it up pretty well.
Bush Senior advisor-"We're an Empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality--judiciously as you will--we'll act again, creating other new realities."
Can anyone spot the HUGE arrogant overblown ego, almost like a spoiled child intent on eventual self-destruction along with all of those around him.Very deadly in people in positions of power unable to recognize "the other".
Translated:
Bush Senior Advisor-" We're and Empire now, and when we create terrorist acts, we create or own enemies. And while your're studying those acts, like how the towers fell down or the missing Pentagon plane wings--judiciously as you will--we'll create more terrorist acts, creating other new income opportunities and destroying civil liberties."-- (implied) "And there's nothing you can do about it. So, Bring it ON."
http://www.hermes-press.com/dictating_reality.htm
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Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:25 am
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Amazing how they are all Chinese that the authorities are looking for. Is the next 9/11 going to be "caused" by them?
It's another setup.
Bad, Very bad mistake to go after China. The bully will get a real bloody nose if that happens.
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Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:59 pm
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Will Washington Tolerate A Chinese-Venezuelan Petro Pact
see link below for story
Interesting, how the author of the story uses the word "allow", also how the author uses the word "swat" as in killing a fly, as in the same sentence as Chavez.
While I as an American can appreciate cheap gas as well as the next citizen of the world, I do start to get a little concerned that my country is seen in that 'terrorist' light. Swatting, economic adverseries, is after all what Saddam Hussein was accused of , wasn't it? Isn't that after all what 'terrorists' do?
I would prefer that not EVERY country on the face of the planet hate the U.S. the country I call home. Much of the rest of the world is now laughing in scorn when this Administration uses the word Liberty and Democracy dozens of times in a speech, while putting people in concentration camps for years without ANY proof of any real crimes. Overthrowing Democracies on the one hand such as Venezuela or Haiti while chanting Orwellian slogans about Democracy is transparently fraudulent.
Eventually, this arrogant 'can't be stopped' attitude will be countered as history shows us it always is. It's just a matter of time until those pushed to the other side of The Balance gang up and beat the s!@# out of the BullY. Unfortunately, the 'bloody noses' as usual will be the masses of innocent citizens simply trying to go about their daily lives.
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:04 am
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I suppose you've probably seen,Mech,
that it is being reported that the Bushies have sent Ops into Iran to stake out bombing targets and that they are trying to get our pilots shot at to provoke a response.(CIA analyst, Democracy Now News)
I'd say your right on target, Cheney's stone cold heart probably fluttered a bit thinking about all that oil, and all of those rebuilding contracts he could take advantage of, as our neighbors and kin die for their greed. Just today, it hit home when a close colleagues brother was among the latest reported dead in Iraq.
I personally think it would be a tragic waste to go back down the road of another failed 'Vietnam'. Why exactly was it worth it to slaughter ONE MILLION VIetnamiese and FIFTY-THREE THOUSAND PLUS AMERICANS in the prime of their lives. I don't think anyone really knows to this day other than the age old greatest sin, the root of all evil. In Gold we TRust.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, and that whole nast mess of Neo-Con blood thirsty Vultures need to be air lifted over to Iraq and set free among the "millions" Bush says he has helped given 'freedom' to. I'm sure the kind Iraqi citizens would treat these 'great liberators' with everything they are so rightfully entitled to.
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:21 pm
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The Bush administration's own recalcitrant arrogance will be its own undoing.
Hopefully...WE THE PEOPLE won't be dragged down with them.
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