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dellboy
Joined: 31 Jul 2001
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CHEMTRAILS IN THE UK
 Wed Aug 01, 2001 3:43 am
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I am wonder if there are any other uk residents interested in the chemtrail issue which will effect you one way or another'they are above you wherever you go and it seems i have video evidence that they are there at night too so theres no getting away from them wherever you may be.
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KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
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Wed Aug 01, 2001 5:36 pm
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Hello Dellboy, and welcome from one welshman to another  So they are spraying the beautiful hills of Wales too huh... Yes it seems there is no escaping this onslaught,and we are all in it together.But here on this board, we are not "As green, as we are cabbage looking" Welcome. |
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amber
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Wed Aug 01, 2001 8:56 pm
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(Thanks Thermit)Hi Delboy, welcome to the board  We have spoken by email before, haven't we? Why don't you post the letter you got from our elustrious government?
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dellboy
Joined: 31 Jul 2001
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Location: wales united kingdom |
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Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:22 am
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well thank you each and everyone of you who replied, regarding the letter i received from the BRITISH GOVERNMENT via my MP this i have but how can i get it to show everyone concerned , how can i get it on this message board, call me thick but i am asking how can i upload it for everyone can see it any help will be apprciated . it seems thatthe british government official view that it is HNO3 which is included in the fuel of all commercial and military aircraft and is not as i said to my MP that we are being sprayed with some sort of chemicals, and that they are definitly not spraying the gernral population of the UK. My answer to that is isn't HNO3 a nitrate and isn't that a chemical , well if anyone can help me to upload this letter from the BRITISH GOVERNMENT to show everyone the official view of the British Government on CHEMTRAILS IN THE UK AT LEAST. |
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Lulu
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Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:47 am
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dellboy, hi and welcome aboard! Are we talking e-mail or snail mail letter you're wanting to upload in a post? |
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Delphi
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Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:00 am
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Hi Dellboy, It's always nice to met someone new, and welcome to the chem "family" here! Here in NW Louisian where I'm at, we do have definite chemtrail situation going on! I take pictures when I can and have them at DS-4.+++++++++++++++++++++Lulu, I heard from my Congressman here in Louisiana and I would like to put that on board also. It is a standard letter size, white paper, black text, and though it is not very long, it was surprising, as, to me, it sounds like he is sincerely interested in the matter. I sure hope he is and not just "blowing smoke up my skirt"! We need the "higher ups" to work on the problem. I have a scanner that I do pictures with and it can do documents...I just gotta figure that one out and I will. Love, Jo ^j^ |
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eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
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Thu Aug 02, 2001 3:31 am
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Delphi,
to scan text documents, most scanning software has a setting just for this. It won't work well if scanned as a photo. Try Help on your scanning software and look up keywords like Text or Document Scanning. I have delt with this before for my last job. It can get tricky if you are scanning text but also want to include a signature etc. It can be done though. Anyone else know the way to do this? |
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Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
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Thu Aug 02, 2001 6:52 am
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Thanx Eyesopen, I'll eventually "get it"....me and hubby only "learned" computers and bought them about a year and a half ago and we did pretty good, I even have a great, speedy, laser copier....but there's somethin about that scanner...or us, that throws us for a loop! We finally got to scanning photos to people o.k. but documents....not yet....experimenting this week til we get it. Love and Blessings, Joanne ^j^ |
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dellboy
Joined: 31 Jul 2001
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Location: wales united kingdom |
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Fri Aug 03, 2001 12:24 am
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I would like to thank you again each and everyone of you who replied to my posting 'I will somehow get the letter up on the message board when i can , it is a little after midnight here in the UK on the 3rd of aug 01 and again i have just been out with dogs to see again the sky filled with chemtrails , it is a full moon nearly here in the uk and i can clearly see about 20 that i counted and filmed here in wales uk has anyone else seen CHEMTRAILS AT NIGHT THIS LATE. I am going to attempt to re write the reply from my MP word for word until i can actually get the original up on the chemtrail web site please bear with me i will not add or edit any of the letter i received in any way.
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dellboy
Joined: 31 Jul 2001
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Location: wales united kingdom |
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Fri Aug 03, 2001 1:20 am
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HERE IS THE REPLY I RECEIVED FROM THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT, NOTHING ADDED OR TAKEN AWAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK?????
From Bob Ainsworth MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE (DETR)Departmen of enviroment transport regions.
EDWARD ROWLANDS ESQ MP
HOUSE OF COMMONS
LONDON
SW1A 0AA
OUR REF:P/RA/012294/01
YOUR REF:83930/0401 14 MAY 01
Dear MR ROWLANDS
Thank you for your letter of 30 APRIL to JOHN PRESCOTT giving futher information about the representations from your constituent MR GOUGH,regarding what he calls"CHEMTRAILS"
A major international study, aviation and global atmosphere, published by the intergovernmental Panel on climate change(ipcc) in 1999 explained that contrails(condensation trails) consist of ice particles that mainly nucleate on exhaust soot and volatile plume aerosol particles. their formation is caused by the incresed in realtive humidity that occurs in the engine plume as a result of mixing of warm and moist exhaust gases with colder and less humid ambient air, fuelcombustion properties;and overall efficiency defined as a fraction of fuel combustion heatto propel the aircraft. as efficiency increases, exhaust plume temperatures decrease for a given concentration of emitted water vapour. thus contrails can form at hight ambient temperatures and over a range of altitude.
Contrails persist when ambient atmosphere is ice-supersaturated, which is thought commonly the case in the upper tropsphere, the typical cruise altitude od many modern subsoniccivil aircraft. Short lived contrails may also form without ambient water vapour if ambient temperatures are sufficiently low. And while contrails ice crystals evaporate quickly when the ambient air is sub-saturated with respect to ice, studies have shown thet can persist and spreat to several kilometer lateral withs and a few hundres meteres depth. They have been known to take many hours to develop and then disperse to a state where they become indistinguishable from cirrus cloud.
The ipcc report also points out that the contrails are EXPECTED to increase. First because more air traffic in the upper troposphere, where contrails form preferentially , is forcast, and secondly because increasingly efficient aircraft can trigger contrails at higher atmospheric temperatures and hence at a larger range of altitudes.
It follows from this that MR GOUGH is not correct in asserting that contrails can only form above 31,000 feet. noe is he correct in asserting that persistence is not commonoly a feature of them. It also follows that a sinister interpretation is not the only possible explanation for the phenomenon he decribes. I ndeed the possibility of a rational scientific explanation might perhaps explain why there has been no media intrest in MR GOUGH'S views, the ippc report acknowledged that there are remains considerable scientific uncertaintl about the formation and effects of contrails and that futher research would be necessary to reduce this uncertaintl. Some research projects designed to achive thsi are underway in the UK and elsewhere. but MR GOUGH CANBE ASSURED THAT THEY DO NOT INVOLVE THE GOVERNMENT USING AEROPLANES TO SPRAY POPULATED AREAS WITH ....A CHEMICIAL SOLUTION.
YOUR SINCERLY chris bain private secretary approved by the minister and signed in his absence SIGNATURE OF BOB AINSWORTH MP SINGED BY HIS PRIVATE SECRETARY.
WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT UNCUT AND UN EDITED PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THING I WOULD BE MOST INTERESTED IN YOUR VIEW IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE . |
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eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
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Fri Aug 03, 2001 1:35 am
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Oh I feel so much better now. Gee all the present saturation here in Maine is normal whatever. Hmm, "ASSURED THAT THEY DO NOT INVOLVE THE GOVERNMENT USING AEROPLANES TO SPRAY POPULATED AREAS WITH ....A CHEMICIAL SOLUTION.", maybe "chemical solution" is legal mumbo jumbo so they can say that or something without "lying".
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dellboy
Joined: 31 Jul 2001
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Fri Aug 03, 2001 4:53 am
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quote:
Originally posted by eyesopen:
Oh I feel so much better now. Gee all the present saturation here in Maine is normal whatever. Hmm, "ASSURED THAT THEY DO NOT INVOLVE THE GOVERNMENT USING AEROPLANES TO SPRAY POPULATED AREAS WITH ....A CHEMICIAL SOLUTION.", maybe "chemical solution" is legal mumbo jumbo so they can say that or something without "lying".
I think you have in what you say in a nut shell there are so many things the british government is up too it beggars belief, the trouble with the uk is that if they are lying about anything it will take us another 40 yrs too find out , under the 40 yr rule when then they have to tell us, thnk you so much for taking the time to answer me after reading what the official response was from the british government , be in touch soon
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concernedUK
Joined: 26 Aug 2001
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Sun Aug 26, 2001 5:40 pm
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Hello Dellboy & Others,
I have been witnessing trails about twice a week here in North UK since 1/1/00.
A few days ago I seen 6 spraying planes in a jagged formation flying over the England/Australia cricket match which was being broadcast live on Channel 4. You could see it on the TV. No-one seems to notice it.
The 6 planes together was quite scary.
I rang local FOTE, they seemed to be humoring me, they probably thought I was a nut, or on drugs or something...
I sometimes wonder if I'm imagining it...
Anyone else here from North UK?
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amber
Joined: 17 May 2001
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Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:11 pm
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Hi Concerned Uk I am in the West Midlands - I saw trails on the TV whilst watching the cricket...didn't see six planes but i was watching it whilst doing other things... |
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concernedUK
Joined: 26 Aug 2001
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Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:40 pm
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Hi Amber,
I seen the 6 spraying planes from my attic room. I seen more trails on TV cricket coverage. I live near the cricket grounds. |
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