|
|
eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
Posts: 663
Location: Nashville TN |
Bottom Sprayer Photo
 Thu Oct 04, 2001 12:43 am
|
 |
|
Not sure how tom post the photo right here (help!), but Raven has sent me a photo that he took with an amazing telescope set-up. It is called Bottom Sprayer and has a weird trail comming from the bottom of the aircraft. Here is Raven's words about this photo:
"This shot was strange to me also as I barely could see thru the viewfinder what was happening and it did not reveal itself until developing. The plane as I originally had focused in on it was leaving engine
contrails but they were of the type that "turn on and off" (which, if you do a lot of observing you know what I mean-even more evidence in my mind of something
fishy) This makes it very hard to track with the telescope since without the trails the plane virtually dissappears from view thru the lense as I try to sweep the sky-so the very trails themselves are helpful in
locking on to the plane. So, I had this particular plane in view, along with the engine contrails, but as I was waiting to take the photo the normal trails ended (were shut off?!) and revealed the single bottom
sprayer you see in the picture. Weather this was "on" all along and hidden from veiw due to the engine contrails, or weather this bottom sprayer was turned on when the others were shut off, it was not clear from my observation. I noticed the abnormal bottom
spray as I took the picture and I wanted to advance for another shot of that plane but its' path took it behind a row of pine trees that line the large parking lot I use and I missed it. As frustrating as only getting one shot was, I still felt happy that the one
I did get proved what I witnessed in real life: the mysterious bottom spray.
As to weather this ended up turning into a typical chemical trail I can tell you that it did not appear to. From what I could tell it dissapated entirely very close behind the plane- I'd say by within 3-5 plane lengths it was totally invisible."
Anyone care to comment on what this might be? Search for Raven's photos in the image database; incredible photography!
|
| |
|
|
theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
Posts: 3403
Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
|
Thu Oct 04, 2001 1:11 am
|
|
|
Plane pee ?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by theseeker on 10-03-2001] |
| |
|
|
Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
Posts: 3136
Location: Texas |
|
Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:01 am
|
|
|
Interesting.
Any expert opinions on what this might be? |
| |
|
|
eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
Posts: 663
Location: Nashville TN |
|
Thu Oct 04, 2001 7:39 am
|
|
|
Wouldn't human waste be discharged from the rear of the craft (yes, I can see there is a joke there somewhere!)???? |
| |
|
|
Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
Posts: 3136
Location: Texas |
|
Fri Oct 05, 2001 4:16 pm
|
|
|
Duncan? |
| |
|
|
Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
Posts: 582
|
|
Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:49 pm
|
|
|
Dear Mr. Thermit:
I did a quick search of some of the more accessible databases and could not find out where the waste-dump orifices are. My guess, though is that what we see is not waste dump trails. Here is my rationale:
Even when you add in all the water-dump from the galleys, etc. to the effluent from the toilets, you aren't going to have that much mass over a single flight. Also, the stuff coming out is going to probably be primarily a liquid with macerated solids, or else a slurry of some sort.
This is important, I think, because something that's not highly vaporized will not spread out as it freezes as would a contrail. Instead, given the ambient temperature (typically -40 deg) and wind chill factor (typically -200 deg equivalent) the effluent would be flash-frozen into little clumps and streamers. In other words, it probably wouldn't be a spray after all.
The reporter was rather vague in describing the image acquisition. He / she first says that "...it did not reveal itself until developing" Then, he reports that "I noticed the abnormal bottom spray as I took the picture..."
This is not nit-picking. If the photographer did not notice the line until developing, i would assume it was a developmental artifact, i.e., some scratch or light flare. This is because the line is not a straight line as you would expect from a bunch of particulates in a 550-mi/hr wind shear. Instead, the line wavers around a bit. I don't think you'd see that if it were actually something -- vapor or slurry -- that actually came from the aircraft. Also, the fact that it is such a completely different color and contrast in what is an extremely degraded view leads me to believe that it is the result of inadvertent post-processing contamination.
But, on the other hand, the report suggests that the photographer actually saw the artifact as it was formed. Given the confusion in my interpreting the report, I can't say for sure what it is coming from the aircraft; but, based on the lack of straightness of the line, the different color and contrast, and the photographer's first comment, I would propose that the line is a post-processing artifact.
Regards,
------------------
Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525 |
| |
|
|
Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
Posts: 1386
|
|
Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:15 pm
|
|
|
 |
| |
|
|
Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
Posts: 1571
Location: S. Bossier, Louisiana |
|
Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:18 pm
|
|
|
It dosen't seem to be airplane toilet crud...but maybe just plain crud...something sprayed from under the plane, making it plane crud...or, perhaps some kind of light beam but definitely something there...if BOTH these plane pics are the same plane from different vantage points...hmmm....interesting...and something really seems to be presenting itself in the photo....I have had developing artifacts and such show up in my stuff, but this dosen't appear to be one of those. Blessings, Joanne ^j^ ^j^ |
| |
|
|
Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
Posts: 3136
Location: Texas |
|
Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:23 pm
|
|
|
Yeah, I don't think it is an artifact. Notice the way the trail in the first photo, seems to be pulled up, as the fuselage tapers... |
| |
|
|
Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
Posts: 1571
Location: S. Bossier, Louisiana |
|
Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:32 pm
|
|
|
And isn't airplane toilet poo-poo spray usually a pretty shade of blue spray??? Not that I've seen any sprayed up close...but from time to time, we hear of blocks of "blue ice" coming through someones roof, and it is always explained as "plane toilet" poo-poo ice block??  Joanne |
| |
|
|
eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
Posts: 663
Location: Nashville TN |
|
Sat Oct 06, 2001 12:58 am
|
|
|
Not an artifact. Raven has been nice enough to send me the original photos by mail. He has a few of this type of thing. They are very light and scanning loses the detail. Anyone know how to overcome this so I can post more of this bottom trail stuff? He did not notice it at first because it was getting dark and he was tring to get this jet doing a start and stop trail thing. He said on about 700 photos he's seen this around 4 times. He has done a lot of research into telescope photography and what film to use etc. He sent me spme photos where this little third trail is also coming out of the tail hidden between the "regular (ha ha)" trails on either side. Tracer gas maybe? Lets face it; it has some purpose and is not vapor trails or waste probably. I think this is pretty good evidence that something is being released in the air. Anyway, not an artifact because he has sent me a few photos showing the exact same thing and also a similar thing from the tail section between other contrails. |
| |
|
|
mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
Posts: 3616
Location: SW coast of Oregon |
|
Sun Oct 07, 2001 1:56 am
|
|
|
excellent shots~ where was Chem 11's taken?
is it a different time and plane?
as for "evidence"................
all these photos dont count you know
only that "evidence" that tiny blare and powells colin and boy george have
that they are not going to show to anyone
thats the "evidence" that will start WW 111
oh haul me off to the stockyards
feed me peanuts an beer
we will have a great time in the terror war
and depopulate at the same time
excuse me~ i am out of my mind
be back in 5 minutes... |
| |
|
|
eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
Posts: 663
Location: Nashville TN |
|
Sun Oct 07, 2001 2:12 am
|
|
|
Yes MSky, evidence is only for the few not the people it looks like. Someone at my work was already buying in to the re-ordering of us all. Anyway the Chem11 photo was another taken by Raven of a different plane. Looks like the same thing or a similar thing though. Great shots. He goes where only the telescope can. I will post some more of these if I can figure out how to scan them without losing needed detail. |
| |
|
|
3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
Posts: 1344
Location: Lubbock, Texas |
|
Sun Oct 07, 2001 2:53 am
|
|
|
I could've argued for the line on the first photograph being some sort of artifact, but the line on the second one looks convincing. |
| |
|
|
eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
Posts: 663
Location: Nashville TN |
|
Sun Oct 07, 2001 4:46 am
|
|
|
The first photo is a zoom of the original. Scanning and zooming in have made it look more artifactesque (Ok, not a real word...). It really looks like a trail of something on the paper photo, not zoomed and pixilated. |
| |
|
|
 
|
|
 Goto page
1, 2, 3, 4 Next
All times are GMT. The time now is Sat May 26, 2012 4:17 pm
|
|
|
|
|
Login
