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Jim Phelps
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Hi Swamp Gas,
All the names and chemtrails detractor information was from public domain discussions, derived from the Arianna's listings.
What is intereting to note in the pattern of the players is their common factors on denial for chemtrails, their support of GOP industries, their support of the cover up of the key factors in religion that led to the chemtrails ideas. They all fall from a "Ditto Head" like mold based on name calling and attempting to run over the elements for truth. The GOP / Religion types being the worst.
The biggest of problems on Arianna's crude and rude forum is arrogant levels of stupidity, that come from the least informed. It is usually the mindless religion sect that sets the stage.
It is the very same type defensive wall that Bush-43 puts up around himself. All the Bush-43 claims on God wanted him to do this and that, which ends up being about oil and Israel. Bush-43 is all about using those that worship the Rothschilds/Rockefeller money empire to help keep daddy Bush-41 out of jail for his Cuba and JFK dealings.
The Arianna Forum has extreme problems with balanced moderaton, which is almost totally missing. One can see there is not a uniform practice of moderation on Ariannas, but one of essentially no uniform standards, and that discussions can be easily unbalanced by the most dumb of the Forum:
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Jim...
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
"Moderating" is never going to satisfy everyone. In point of fact, I berate myself as often as I'm berated by others, for acts or omission as well as acts of commission.
Both Lib and I get emails frequently complaining about what someone has done on one or more of the forums here.
Both of us received the same complaint recently, and it concerned post #704 of the thread, " It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature".
Subsequently, I read the post in question, along with surrounding posts. Without doubt, the general tenor of discussion in the thread is far more "civil" than it is in "Current Events", thus your point regarding consistency is well-taken. That brings us to whether -- and IF -- a different "standard" exists (or should exist) on one forum than on others. Clearly the level of discussion on the thread is pretty high. I have a minor in both chemistry and physics, and I wouldn't stick my big toe in the water there for fear of major scalding.
Jim, I'll argue with you here that each forum has a character in and of itself, and the "standards" are relative to that forum. Obviously BC felt the sting of the criticisms you leveled, rather acutely. She's complained in the past as well, but I've mollified her with suggestions about putting individual posters on "ignore".
The post in question, Jim, wouldn't have brought out any perspiration from a regular on "Current Events", but on this forum, it was a bit extraordinary. Clearly BC wouldn't survive on CE very long. What I think both Lib and I strive for is that each forum retain its character and be a comfortable place for those choosing to participate.
Your comments about your name being used are valid. I haven't even come close to reading more than a sampling of posts there, so the question of whether or not posters "named" have divulged the information themselves hasn't been addressed. I can only respond to complaints that are 1) Submitted, and 2) have specific references that I can actually look at. I've had some sparring sessions with one poster who tried to convince me he'd been threatened and was instituting legal and investigative action against everyone in sight (including -- shudder -- moi)
To cut to the chase here, Jim...moderating isn't an exact science. When I receive a complaint about a particular post or set of posts, I do try to relate the post to the forum in question, and secondarily to whether there was content in the post(s) relating to the current topic. Lacking such content, the post then assumes the mantle of "attack post".
My message to you fell even quite short of a mild rebuke...it was intended to be nothing more than a request to "moderate" a bit..in the hopes that BC would remain comfortable -- though she's (in my opinion) over her head.
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Mike
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Here we see that the person coming in, BC, with the lowest levels of comprehension skills take over and lower the levels of interaction to that of the lowest level. And with the moderator admitting the person is too slow to keep up. Add into the problems that of religion finaticism attempting to control the information content to avoid the volcanic and religion issues connected to the chemtrails inventions and science being made obvious.
What is most apparent is that Arianna Huffington's Forum poorly run Forum contributes to the most serious problems being prevented from being made public, and does this by a process linked to lowering the level of discussions to that of "Ditto Head" type religious finatics. Hence the informed and intelligent discussion was distroyed by the Arianna Forum's moderators.
IMHO,
JP
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Halva writes:
It is a pity you are not interested in knowing about, or expresssing an opinion about, some of the more sophisticated 'anti-chemtrails' input we are getting these days.
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Halva,
I have been most direct with you that I don't want any further interaction with you. Stop trying to attempt it, because it won't happen. You had ample opportuniities on the Arianna thread to discuss all the technicals, and my research window there is now shut. You left me with highly negative opinions.
This discussion topic here on this thread is not one for technical issues on chemtrails. This discussion facet of this thread here is one of looking at and discussing the chemtrail detractors and their methods, associations, others bad experiences with them, etc.
I won't ever address any of your questions, here or elsewhere, based on my observations of you on Arianna's.
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Jim Phelps
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Halva,
If you note that for the record on Arianna's, that I clearly told you multiple times that I thought you were a greater liabilty toward exposing the issues than the chemtrails detractors themselves. I have consistently found interactions with you to be highly negative. Thus, the response you get is one of rejection on my part.
Your buy-in of religion finaticism is a huge liabilty in the discussion of the chemtrails invention and sciences, and I don't view you as being helpful in exposing or solving the issues. I did not approve at all of your multiple attempts to censor those issues in your retransmissions of my listings or your blatant attempts at intimidation to silence my speaking about them.
You even went so far as to threaten to spam my Email, unless I did things your way. That was the very last straw.
My views of you are of a person that keeps others running in circles perpetually looking for the outcome of choice that benefit a select political faction. I don't view you as a truth seeker, but that of a manipulator.
The science of chemtrails is really simple, and folks thousands of years ago observed the same volcanic sulfur sciences that set up issues of climate change and the method 1 ideas for chemtrails. It is so simple that one has to work to avoid noticing it. And you appear to work the hardest at not noticing the obvious.
Thus, I won't play your silly games. I just reject the endless games and you as any sort of a serious truth seeker. Your ideas of getting Reynolds and BC on this Forum by writing to Thermit tend to show me your more interested in disruption of information, than building up knowledge and understanding. The mess you have on Ariannas is legendary, and equally legendary is the missing knowledge and understanding by your efforts of over a year.
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Swamp Gas
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Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:55 pm
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Reynolds and BoomerChick won't last a minute here BTW.
They make a great team, nutcases representing the Conservative and Liberal side equally.
I am baffled at Jim and halva fighting, since I get along with both you two 
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Jim Phelps
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Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:11 pm
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Hi Swamp Gas,
You obviously understand and grasp quickly the bogus games happening between BC and Reynolds. This is good and your awareness and experience show in spotting those connections. This is just a discussion about my observations of ALL the games happening from that Forum.
In order for others to learn, these experiences are being shared, so everyone can spot the shams and games with the same level of comprehension as you. In Oak Ridge, these games are so bad that most of the environmental activist groups are rigged and owned by the corperate players that want the problems with chemicals like HF and fluoride hidden. One should expect many of the large public activist groups to be following some sort of politics, rather than truth seeking. Even the smaller groups have their assigned handlers to keep them off the larger problems. These misleading games of public activism even follow onto public forums, particularly Arianna's.
Persons like BC likes to promote all the games of claiming political correctness, making claims of being highly informed, and claims that all knowledge is available on the internet. While at the very same time promoting Reynolds and all their games to mislead everyone using the "ditto head" methods. That plus drowning everyone in copy and pastes and speaking of how she can solve all the problems. Persons like that only cause problems, which is apparently why BC is not on CTC.
One needs keep in mind that Halva is the person that recruited BC to the chemtrails / global warming discussion on Arianna's Forum. Then he went on to attempt to promote they be allowed back onto CTC. This is just a little acknowledgement of what games are going down from Arianna's discussion land. Something just does not smell right with that happening.
Arianna, like her pal Bill Maher, is supposed to stand for being "politically incorrect" and standing up against the bogus GOP political processes being spun by the GOP / Religious "Ditto Heads," but this process is stalled when the BC and Reynolds types start. BC has only added to the cover up of chemtrails, rather than contributing common sense and knowledge.
BC erroneously promotes that all knowledge is on the internet and readily available, when just the opposite is taking place in the Bush-43 games against Govt openness. The US's Bush-43 is trying to cover up all things linked to environmental risks and keep it from the public's view. And the Ditto Heads, BC and Reynolds, are out attempting to tell how open and honest Govt is.
BC is obviously a huge promoter of the Reynolds types and the Ditto Heads on Religion promoting the Bush-43 scams. Religion was the dominate factor between capitalism and communism, and religion is the key to the shadow Govt's big banking systems that was used against communism. Religion has some very serious ethical problems and these overlap the chemtrails discussions via the volcanic issues of climate changes linked to sulfur emissions.
The system most used to support the chemtrails cover ups are the US big money bankers that formed these above the law processes to cover up the environmental risks connected to the Manhattan Project and coal energy production shifts from sulfur to chlorine metals speciation in the environment.
The speciation shift of metals in the soils as well as in the human body is perhaps the most important factor for chemtrails. As common sense tells one, this little planet formed from lots of volcanic activity and lots of sulfur emssions. The surfur acids set up a metals speciation with sulfur and the solubilty factors for metals derived from that sulfur association.
When man came along and dumped all kinds of coal emissions on the soils this changed the metals speciation to chlorine compound domination and an entire new set of metals solubility factors came into effect. The new chlorine metals speciation set up a sort of industrial diseases process that put toxic metals like Aluminum into higher proportions in the food chain.
The problems did not stop there, as there was one more metal speciation process in the bone marrow of animals and man that would make matters much worse. The bone mass likes to absorb the HF or fluorides that are rising in the environment due to industrial emissions. As the bone concentrations of the fluorine rises, it significantly changes the benefical trace metals speciation in the bone mass into ones of fluoride compounds. This shuts down many of the trace metals required to enzymes to repair cellular and mtDNA within cells.
Since the bone marrow is the spawning ground for the immune cells and blood cells, the effect damages the immune resistance of the body, and particularly the lymph node system. All the blood in the body slowly circulates into the bone mass, and as it passes these fluorine atoms, the essential trace metals in the blood is upset.
All that is rather common sense obvious, and it ties into predictions of religion prophicies that could easliy be seen from 2,000 years ago for folks living around volcanic type emissions. The area around Midian is one that is highly affected by volcanic emissions of H2S, and the burn products of H2S that promoted climate and rainfall change. All kinds of health problems are associated to bone retention of fluorine around volcanic events.
One of the biggest problems on Arianna's is the GOP / Religion finaticism "Ditto Heads" attempting to cover up these associations, and Halva right in the middle of helping them do that. All I do is tell the experiences, and I even hold Halva accountable where he misleads people.
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I have to say that Mech and Thetaloops were the first to spot BC as a phoney. She talks like a debunker "groupie" when she was over at Maverick's, all "Dear, Honey, Smooches, Blah!!!!!!" To Jay Reynolds and Stewart Allsop no less. She did the same thing here.
Her and JerseyBlueyz were talking about each other behind the other's back, and then they are on the same side. I went over to Maverick's one day, and BC is belching about how F**cked up Mech and I are, and she never did anything wrong to get banned from CTC. I went on and corrected the issue to let everyone know that she publically published our names without our approval, and she was needling Mech for months, until he threw her off.
What really blew her away was the fact that I questioned that all mystical experiences and Near Death Experiences could be the releasese of DMT by the brain. She started with all kinds of metaphysical stuff, and how wrong I was. Then procedded to attack my holistic lifestyle as "A load of crap". Enough said about her. She is a two-face.
Jay Reynolds....Serious mental problems. He never got over the killing of his mentor Bill Cooper, who would have laughed at what John Reynolds has become. Anybody that publishes their name and address on the internet (including people on this board), must have a death wish or something. Sick and Sad people.
On halva, I like him, and we get along quite well. Can't figure out what the problem is between you two.
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Con't
One of the key problems from chemtrails is their triggering increased rates of rain, acid rain. The acid rain is predominately HCl, and this upsets the metals availabilty or speciation. It increases the levels of toxic metals like aluminum entering the human food chain.
In the case of grazing animals, like cows, it really upsets their metals balance issues, as they are directly coupled to the effects. So, all the poor ole cows out eating grass in their pastures are soaking up higher and higher levels of metals made soluble by HCl acid effects. So, they are eating lots of aluminum in some areas and other metals depending upon the mineral content of soils in particular areas. This effect is a large part of the "Mad Cow" equation, and feeding cattle bone meal that is loaded with fluoride and toxic metals.
Chemtails not only screw up cattle ranching issues, they also affect farming of vegetables for humans. Soils in the US have long been depleted of essential trace metals elements. These metals got there by earlier period of glacial events and even from volcanic emissions. So, one problem is overfarming has greatly reduced or removed these essentail trace metals from the food chain of humans. The next problem is the acid rain changed the metals speciation to that connected with chlorine, which makes the toxic metals more available.
And the biggest of the problems is the HF effects in the food chain getting into the bone mass and zapping the essentail trace metals right out of the immune system cell growth bed of the bone marrow. Those three effects are part and parcel of the chemtrails knowledge equations that everyone needs to know about and consider.
If you fail to make those associations, then you end up making the crooks like Bush-41 and his buddy Dan Quail (who owns most of Ely Lilly drug company) very much more rich. And they end up owning and controlling your health and longevity to a degree of them treating citizens like a heard to dumb cattle raised for profit taking.
If there is one of the worst things about chemtrails that needs to be emphasized at every turn, it is these associations and who is going to profit by keeping folks confused and uninformed.
It is only via an openness like methods where the truth of the matter and all the cards get laid on the table about our US crooks running the Govt. and how they use bogus aspects from religion as a shield to enhance their profit taking.
Then one must look at the US's non-profit charity hospital links that associate with varied religion demoninations. For example, the hospital that dominates the Oak Ridge cover up on fluoride and trace metal effects on human health and the immune process is called "Methodist Medical Center." Here often ministers and preachers sit on the boards of these hospitals, and both make great money from not telling clearly the message of Genesis that is inclusive of the geographical and geological association to volcanic effects and the trace metals effects there. Essentially ministers, preachers, doctors, AMA interests, big pharmacy, and GOP types are all in league for becoming richer by not telling the truth.
Hiding this association tends to link the corruption of the GOP interests to those of the mindless followers in US religion. Hence, we also see Bush-43 exploit this mindlessness of the religion "ditto head" type following. It produces a health disaster, one designed for profits to churches and GOP medicine interests. And it puts Govt. wolves in charge of the sheep.
IMHO,
JP
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Jim Phelps
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Hi Swamp Gas,
I think the problems with Halva stem from the simple facts that he admitidly can't seem to grasp simple sciences. He is totally depending upon what is published in the news and apparently nothing else. He can't seem to hold his own against the GOP "Ditto Heads" like Reynolds and constantly looses the debates. Reynolds is like a Rush Limbaugh---both know exactly what their goals are----deception for profits.
From Halva There is an endless stream of questions on this and that, when the elements that answer his questions have long ago been addressed. But only if one paid attention and understands the rather simple sciences on chemtrails. So, what is one to do? I get tired of ignorance after so long. There comes a limit to patience.
I don't think Halva understands the US system and its level of total corruption. And I can't see that he can make the association between how religion was used as a wedge against communism, and the religions themselves were supported by big banking control systems. It is this big banking system that controls the US and is the so called corrupt shadow Govt. that is screwing us all around.
Halva can't sort out how labels like anti-Semitism are used to keep these ethical problems in religion covered up, and he often plays right into those things. I have had enough of his low comprehinsion levels on the big picture.
Halva recruited BC to help his issues, which should tell one a lot. No one that knows the issues and has been observing these people's interactions would have recruited BC or been caught promoting gettting them back on CTC.
In Greece, Halva seems to be teamed up with Marxists, Jesuits, and some odd Greek interests-----which seem to color, limit, or restrict his views of the world. He seems to know chemtrails are real and speak to that, but screws up the greater equations on what is forcing them into being used but not disclosed. There is consistently something amiss with Halva.
Halva seems to be playing too much politics of religion, rather than following the road to truth. Which is my largest issue with him. One so bad that over time, I have to tell him to go away.
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Jim Phelps
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Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:30 am
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SG,
I agree with yours and others observations on the interaction games of BC with the Reynolds Ditto Head Mafia. That is not a difficult thing to read and associate. But, it must be for some.
So, lets get a little deeper into the public activism equations and how these are often rigged.
Oak Ridge in the Ronald Reagan era is the source of the original ideas for the chemtrails methods to get the HF out of the air to turn down global warming rate, and to shade the planet some. Oak Ridge has all the connections, both corperate and political to pull off such a big game to hide problems. All the crooks Oak Ridge used under Reagan are now part of the Bush-43 Mafia. Oak Ridge hates public involvement, especially when it would force their admissions on the health effects they covered up on fluorine that was used to make the bomb's uranium.
This deception of the public was done mainly because the US and the rest of the world likes cheep energy methods, coal burning. Coal burning puts out lots of HCl, which sets up the speciation change in the metals of soils. This changing the toxic metals bioavailability via solubility factors. Oil burning sets up the NOx and nitric acid effects. CO2 the carbonic factors. These acids are divergent from the sulfuric emissions from volcanoes that laid down these trace metals, which was the norm for the planets ecosystem.
Places like Oak Ridge and TVA and lots of the other US electric cooperatives want cheep energy. So, in places like Oak Ridge they play up how dangerous nuclear power is, because that helps Oak Ridge dodge a huge bullet that would kill off the entire DOE system. They are despirate to hide the fluoride health effects that dominate the health issues in Oak Ridge. This sets the stage for the use of chemtrails and the high acid effects driving the health effects due to looses of the trace metals needed for cell repair via enzymes.
Oak Ridge's main game is nuclear weapons, and they know that is never going to go away anytime soon. So, the Oak Ridge games are set to keep the chemtrails going, and make the Bush-43 / Dan Quail / Ely Lilly gang fat and rich. It also goes to kill off the baby boomers sooner. And lots of others like those in Africa with the HIV transmission problems that are directly due to the fluoride effects on immune cells. Rich rewards to the crooks in the highest levels of the massively corrupt US Govt. help to guarantee Oak Ridge gets off the liability hook.
Their entire shell game depends on keeping the mechanism for how fluoride kills the immune system secret from the public.
Oak Ridge has known all these health and environment equations for a long time and due to the totally corrupt nature of Oak Ridge, they made the decisions for everyone to keep the polluting coal emissions going and make a killing in pharmacy sales and use up the SS funds the baby boomers paid in for their old age by early death of these boomers.
Most all the nuclear activist groups in Oak Ridge are rigged, as the entire town is GOP and pro-nuclear everything. The only reason they support these anti-nuclear groups is that they control most of them and get early warning of all challenges heading their way. The anti-nuke emphasis is used to draw attention of the much more serious problems with fluorides, that would shut down the DOE due to liabiltiy. The whole cities corrupt medical establishment gets fat and rich keeping the big fluoride health problems that so highly dominate Oak Ridge's secret liabilities. All kinds of people on SSRI's drugs in Oak Ridge.
Oak Ridge is also styming the real science on cold fusion, which works, and is mainly a materials processing problem. Cold Fusion is a sweet spot in the nuclear equation because it does not produce long term high activity nuclear wastes. Cold Fusion combines a hydrogen atom with a deuterium atom in a metal matrix process like tunneling. It makes heat and almost no radiation effects. Those that sell the oil and dig the coal don't seem to want this process to succeed. Nor the Bush and Ely Lilly gang.
Yet, they all do want the chemtrials to succeed, the high profits from selling pharmacy to succeed, and the citizens to die off sooner. They also don't want the whole story on the fluoride health effects becoming public, because it would essentially end big medicine. And the churches that have not told the whole story would go down with them. This is why one sees the Bush-43 types, big medicine, and the church set so intertwined in their death and deceit for profit games.
When one has a Govt run by corperate wolves, the sheep don't fare well.
One does not have to look very far to see wolves in action, just look at Ronnie Reagan's help toward GE which used to make nuclear reactors and now likes to make the jet engines that promote the chemtrail rain out of acids that make for greater illness problems. Then look at GE's investments in the health business from CAT scanners, to hospital management systems, to selling health care management insurance. GE's jet engines force the health equations, and they make money from the health fallout their engines induce in the population. Should that game get exposed and the public outrage switch to nukes, they are positioned to catch that move also.
But none of those schemes would work if the public was fully informed of the factors connected to chemtrails, and the health effects of fluorides. Concealing those factors leads to racketeering.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1470944,00.html
Ozone Layer Most
Fragile On Record
By Paul Brown
Environment Correspondent
The Guardian - UK
4-28-5
The protective ozone layer over the Arctic has thinned this winter to the
lowest levels since records began, alarming scientists who believed it had begun
to heal.
The increased loss of ozone allows more harmful ultraviolet light to reach
the earth's surface, making children and outdoor enthusiasts such as skiers more
vulnerable to skin cancer - a disease which is already dramatically
increasing.
Scientists yesterday reinforced the warning that people going out in the sun
this summer should protect themselves with creams and hats.
Research by Cambridge University shows that it is not increased pollution but
a side effect of climate change that is making ozone depletion worse. At high
altitudes, 50% of the protective layer had been destroyed.
The research has dashed hopes that the ozone layer was on the mend. Since the
winter of 1999-2000, when depletion was almost as bad, scientists had
believed an improvement was under way as pollution was reduced. But they now believe
it could be another 50 years before the problem is solved.
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