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"Kissingern is a scum sucking pig 
just my 2 cents": stallion4.
Very good stallion4! Is that all you get out of that quote?
Is that all anyone gets out of that ?
You really can't read into what he is implying there?
I here you guys have been around the block, but I think you may have stopped off at the bar and HAD A FEW DRINKS, thus not seen the whole picture. I'm not trying to be an ass but you really have to read into it more!
Don't you see the implication of UFO's?  For God's Sake? Can't you see the whole picture?
The NWO, The EU The One World Government, it's all tied together! There is a bigger picture!
I'm sure I'll be attacked by SwampGas for my belief, but that's okay, he seems to have his fun attacking me, though he doesn't call it hate, I don't know what else to call it, maybe slander? Ridicual for total contradiction of one time saying pagans are fun, and then saying that the bush adminastration is full of the same type of rituals! No offense SwampGas! I kind of see were you're coming from. 
Getting to the original subject: I saw an exclusive interview with John Perkins on Democracy Now, and it was quite shocking, though not surprising. They tried to get Suddam out. but he wouldn't go, thus the war!
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I could waste a lot of energy contradicting every sentence you just said, but I'll say simply:
Stop the trolling OR YOU'RE GONE!
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RIDICULED, DONDEMED,(WITHOUT INVESTIVATION), AND ERASED!
ISN'T THAT HOW THE REGIME YOU ARE AGAINST SO MUCH DOES IT
WHEN CONFRONTED WITH TRUTH?
IT'S BEEN PATHETIC!
YOU CAN ERASE ME NOW.
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PS WHY DONT YOU ERASE EVRYONE ELSE YOU THINK I AM WHILE YOU'RE AT IT. 
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You're still here kpoe, or whoever you are. Why don't you try being civil for a change? You actually started out OK, then devolved so quickly, your knuckles were scraping the ground.
And to correct your assinine assertion....Pagans are NOT Satanists, much the same way Gnostics and Essenes are NOT Christians.
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I'm being perfictly honest when I say; "I don't recall not being civil." Sometimes I come across a little strong, but I try to point out that it's "my opinion" or "what I believe." That's not condeming anyone else's thoughts or beliefs. I don' agree with your beliefs, but I don't have to, anymore than you have to believe in mine.
My NWO theories and beliefs are based off of what "I believe" is truth.
My beliefs are odviously strong. Let me see if I can calm it down a bit.
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quote:
Originally posted by kpoe
I'm being perfictly honest when I say; "I don't recall not being civil." Sometimes I come across a little strong, but I try to point out that it's "my opinion" or "what I believe." That's not condeming anyone else's thoughts or beliefs. I don' agree with your beliefs, but I don't have to, anymore than you have to believe in mine.
My NWO theories and beliefs are based off of what "I believe" is truth.
My beliefs are odviously strong. Let me see if I can calm it down a bit.
kpoe
Well, let me say this..Whenever you tell someone "I don't agree with your beliefs", that is a confrontational stance. I would say I am open to any belief system, whether it is based on logic or myth. As long as you don't physically or verbally attack, or try and legislate such beliefs, I have no problems with whatever way one looks at the universe.
You seem to be trying to explain your "beliefs" very strongly. Is that because you are attacked for those beliefs, and feel injury from somewhere? How do you think it is being a non-conformist in today's robotic society? You see, my Operating System is made out of so many divergent ideas, that I don't need to defend them all. I feel when you syntesize the best of all schools of thought, you become a better person.
If you want to talk about the NWO, then you've come to the right place. Chemtrails are another common point. But when you start with the "I'm a clean and wholesome Bible Reader and you are all heathens because you are not Christians" crap, be prepared to face what you put out. We have lots of fun on this site, as well as discuss very serious issues, and all the veterans (1000+ posts) know where we all stand with each other, and we don't step on each other's toes.
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Okay kool, but let's get one thing straight, Im not a Bible thumping christian. I have studied it and gone on to see that there's a lot more than the shredded version of the thing we have now. I don't even like to use the name:"jesus."
I've said this before, and how I research "The Dead Sea Srolls" & so on..
I'm not that clean and wholesome.. I sin the same as everyone else..
The chemtrail subject is driving me crazy! We get blasted here where I live every day, except when the weather is just pure gray! As a matter of fact, sometimes they even fly through the gray!
kpoe
ps. I'll try to keep it calm
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Here's a pretty good Jesus joke:
by Bill Hicks
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I don't know, she didn't seem to grieve too long once she got ahold of that Onassis $$, but that was a good one, I'll definitely keep that one in my pocket for the graven image example. It will be right in with tree worship.
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At least trees and humans contain DNA....remember that kpoe.
Whereas a book (the bible), and mythology (Yahwah) are non-living mechanisms, created by humans to justify their existence.
Seems to me that the bible and a male sky god are graven images.
Now you gonna burn us "non-believers" at the stake, or better yet Crucify?
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Seems like this thread ran off the road awhile back.Well the tow truck is here. Wolfowitz at the World Bank (A Must Read) http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/wolfowitz_worldbank.htm
Jude Wanniski: Wolfowitz at the World Bank
http://www.counterpunch.com/wanniski03172005.html
"The World Bank was created as an adjunct of the UN at the end of World War II, along with its brother institution, the International Monetary Fund.."
By Jude Wanniski
In announcing the Wolfowitz appointment today, President Bush said the World Bank is a big organization and Wolfowitz has experience running a big organization, the Pentagon!! As far as the military-industrial complex is concerned, Wolfowitz did a FANTASTIC job. He was only expected to plan for a $30 billion war and he screwed up so badly that it is now a $200 billion war, and counting. Anyone who can screw up that badly deserves a promotion, to the World Bank.
So you see it doesn't really matter that Wolfowitz doesn't know the first thing about banking or the economics of development projects. He will sit behind the biggest desk at the Bank and take the telephone calls from the Big Banks and the Multinationals, telling him what to do, and providing him with experts like John Perkins,[Confessions of an Economic Hit Man ]who did the actual dirty work as an economic hit man, and now writes his confessions. When the White House needs a big favor for one of its big hitters, it need only put in a call to Wolfie, who will throw the right switch. That's exactly the way it worked with Jim Wolfensohn these past ten years, and if you don't believe me, look around and you will note how many poor countries got poorer during his reign, and how many big bucks were made at Bechtel and Halliburton.
If you really don't know what the "World Bank" is all about, you would think that President Bush was joking in nominating Paul Wolfowitz to be the new president of the Bank, replacing Jim Wolfensohn.
One of the chief architects of the Iraq war, Wolfowitz is a political theorist, a 61-year-old man who spent most of his adult life at blackboards and lecterns teaching students about international politics.
He may know how to operate an Automatic Teller Machine when in need of ready cash, but he knows absolutely nothing about banking. Wolfensohn, who was a New York investment banker before President Clinton named him to the post a decade ago, at least knows something about banking. His partner in New York, to which I suppose he will return, is Paul Volcker, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, our nation's central bank.
Wolfie the Warrior, by contrast, is the lifetime sidekick, even protégé, of Richard Perle, probably the most important intellectual in the service of the military-industrial complex. If you want to know how Professor Wolfowitz got the job, follow the money.
That's what the World Bank is all about. It was created as an adjunct of the United Nations at the end of World War II, along with its brother institution, the International Monetary Fund. On paper, its function was to lend money to developing countries to help them grow. Its real job has been to serve the interests of the major money-center banks and the multinational corporations who make the big bucks in World Bank development projects. The Bank, which is really a "fund," persuades a poor country like Ghana, for example, to build a new industrial complex in order to make stuff for export. It will lend the money to Ghana -- which it gets from global taxpayers including you and me -- and arrange for the complex to be built by one of the favored corporations in the military-industrial complex. The list always includes Bechtel Corporation, Halliburton, and Kellogg Brown & Root, a division of Halliburton. These outfits go in and build the projects because the locals have no expertise.
In "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" John Perkins explains in some detail the mechanics of this gigantic money machine. It not only promotes unnecessary industrial complexes in Ghana, which rust away in bankruptcy when they prove to be uneconomic. The aim of the military-industrial complex is not only "industrial," but also military. The name most closely associated with Halliburton, of course, is Vice President Cheney, who was Defense Secretary in the first Gulf War, with Paul Wolfowitz even then at his side (urging all-out war with Iraq even after Saddam put up the white flag and retreated to Baghdad before the war began!!) Rats.
The name most associated with Bechtel is George P. Shultz, once its top dog, now a mere director. Shultz was Treasury Secretary under Richard Nixon (helping talk him into floating the U.S. dollar), Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, and currently a member of the Defense Policy Board, which until last year Richard Perle chaired.
Shultz also introduced Governor George W. Bush to Condoleezza Rice, who in turn introduced Paul Wolfowitz to Governor Bush back in 1999. Shultz of course knew at the time that Wolfie and Perle and their neo-con Cabal were planning a war in Iraq, and we know nice, little "doable" wars (Wolfie's word), are meat and potatoes for the military-industrial complex.
Instead of squeezing nickels and dimes out of the taxpayers to persuade Ghana to build a steel mill it doesn't need and can't run, even little wars run into the billions. And everyone gets into the act. The arms makers who produce airplanes, tanks, guns, jeeps and humvees get to blow up a country (like Iraq) and Bechtel and Halliburton come in right behind to rebuild it.
In announcing the Wolfowitz appointment today, President Bush said the World Bank is a big organization and Wolfowitz has experience running a big organization, the Pentagon!! As far as the military-industrial complex is concerned, Wolfowitz did a FANTASTIC job. He was only expected to plan for a $30 billion war and he screwed up so badly that it is now a $200 billion war, and counting. Anyone who can screw up that badly deserves a promotion, to the World Bank.
So you see it doesn't really matter that Wolfowitz doesn't know the first thing about banking or the economics of development projects. He will sit behind the biggest desk at the Bank and take the telephone calls from the Big Banks and the Multinationals, telling him what to do, and providing him with experts like John Perkins, who did the actual dirty work as an economic hit man, and now writes his confessions. When the White House needs a big favor for one of its big hitters, it need only put in a call to Wolfie, who will throw the right switch. That's exactly the way it worked with Jim Wolfensohn these past ten years, and if you don't believe me, look around and you will note how many poor countries got poorer during his reign, and how many big bucks were made at Bechtel and Halliburton.
There will of course be complaints from various global diplomats about the obvious incompetence of Wolfowitz, just as there were puzzled head-scratchings around the world about the incompetence of Condi Rice as Secretary of State or John Bolton as UN Ambassador. But money talks in all the places where the directors of the World Bank live, and they will be advised to clam up by the local military-industrial money machines. Perle will also have his pals at The Weekly Standard and Fox News speculate that when Condi is President, Wolfie will be her veep (which is how it happened we’ve seen talk of Condi for President in 2008). Nor can we expect any complaints from Congress, because in one way or another there is too much money at stake, too many reputations looking toward bigtime lobbying jobs when its time to give up a seat in Congress.
If this seems harsh, as if I'm writing about something new under the rocks on which our Uncle Sam perches, I suggest you read my 1978 book, "The Way the World Works," which describes how the British Empire worked in exactly this fashion. My best example was the first multinational corporations, the British railroad builders. Once they ran out of places to build rail lines in the U.K., they persuaded Parliament to promote railroads in the colonies, and were enormously successful in talking the Raj into criss-crossing India with railroads in the mid-19th century. It was one thing in England, where the companies could only build where there was a clear sign the line would be profitable, because it was their own money at risk. In India, the locals borrowed the money from the Bank of England and hired the builders to put in rail lines that couldn't possibly be profitable. India was burdened with debts from these schemes well into the 20th century.
Even after it gained independence in 1948, India was persuaded by British and American economists to keep tax rates high and to devalue the rupee, to keep them poor and unable to compete with the big guys. Who did the British and American economists work for? Why the World Bank, of course, and also the IMF, whose job is to go into the poor countries when they can't pay back their loans, and lend them the money to do so -- as long as they agree to raise taxes again, devalue their currency, and build new industrial complexes that are constructed by Bechtel and Halliburton.
So you see why it makes perfect sense to have Wolfowitz at the World Bank. He's terrific at doing wars, and wars are much more profitable than nickel-and-dime industrial projects. That's the way the world works. Always has been.
-Jude Wanniski is a former associate editor of The Wall Street Journal, expert on supply-side economics and founder of Polyconomics, which helps to interpret the impact of political events on financial markets. This article was published in CounterPunch.org at: http://www.counterpunch.com/wanniski03172005.html
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Top terrorist leads the rest of them to rape and steal the country's $$.
http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20050331/D8964H200.html?PG=home
World Bank Board Approves Wolfowitz
Mar 31, 1:59 PM (ET)
By JEANNINE AVERSA
WASHINGTON (AP) - The World Bank's board on Thursday unanimously approved the nomination of Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, an architect of the Iraq war, to be the next president of the 184-nation development bank.
President Bush earlier this month surprised the international community by recommending Wolfowitz for the job. Wolfowitz's hard-line foreign policy stance has made him a target of critics at home and abroad. Wolfowitz, 61, will take the helm of the development bank on June 1 to serve a five-year term..
The bank's stated mission is to fight poverty and improve the living standards of people in developing countries. It lends around $20 billion a year to developing countries for various projects, including roads, schools and fighting AIDS.
"I want to thank the board for their vote of confidence," Wolfowitz said in a statement after the decision. "It is humbling to be entrusted with the leadership of this critically important international institution."
The United States is the bank's largest shareholder. The bank traditionally has had an American president. The unanimous approval came from the bank's 24-member board.
Since his March 16 nomination by Bush, Wolfowitz, seeking to quell criticism over his selection, has reached out. He has telephoned Bono, the Irish rock star who is a vocal advocate for helping the world's poor. He has met with many countries' representatives to the World Bank and made a trip to Europe, where he won the endorsement of European Union governments. Support from Europe was important because hostility there still lingers over the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
Bush's choice of Wolfowitz has especially raised the hackles of some international aid organizations and other groups. They question his development credentials and worry that he would try to use the development bank to help the United States' friends and punish its enemies. Some of those critics showed up on a gray morning to protest the choice of Wolfowitz outside the World Bank's headquarters Thursday.
Wolfowitz has sought to counter those concerns. He has said that poverty reduction and economic development were the bank's core businesses and that he would not pursue any political agenda.
"I really believe the mission of the bank," Wolfowitz had told The Associated Press in a March 16 interview. "I think one of the challenges of the institution, and therefore, for me, is how to make sure it makes the best use of the considerable resources at its disposal, which are both financial and human."
While critics question his development credentials, Wolfowitz has said his management experience at the Pentagon and his diplomatic experience at the State Department prepared him for the job. At State, he was assistant secretary for East Asia and U.S. ambassador to Indonesia.
Wolfowitz also has been criticized on Capitol Hill for underestimating the number of U.S. troops needed in Iraq and for understating, during testimony to a House panel, the number of troops killed in Iraq. He also was criticized for predicting before the invasion that Iraqi oil would generate $50 billion to $100 billion over two to three years, limiting U.S. war costs. Instead, Iraq generated just $17 billion in oil revenues in the first 19 months after the invasion.
The installation of Wolfowitz allows the Bush administration to puts its imprint on the development bank, which employs some 10,000 people worldwide.
James Wolfensohn, the current president, will step down at the end of May, when his second, five-year term concludes.
Wolfensohn helped engineer a number of changes in the bank's philosophy and the way it operates. He pushed to put greater emphasis on "home grown" development planning, trying to connect the bank closer to the countries it seeks to help. He pushed for debt relief for the world's poorest countries. His 1996 "cancer of corruption" speech focused a new light on corruption as an impediment to development that must be addressed.
"I will make every effort to ensure that our transition period is successful, so Paul can hit the ground running on June 1," Wolfensohn said. |
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