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Delphi
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Halloween/Malls/Vet. Hosp./Terrorism Worries!
 Fri Oct 12, 2001 11:47 pm
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"Mis-understood alert and caution posting" deleted.
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Delphi
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 1:58 am
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gone.
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Cougar390
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 4:31 am
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I've got a better idea, not "celebrate" Halloween at all. I'm sure all the christians understand  But anyways, watch out especially this month and next, there are a lot of sacred things to the occult happening, and it is no joke. |
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KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 5:03 am
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post deleted- hoax
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WonderWmn93
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 6:46 am
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Hey Cougar390..... I am with you and know exactly what you are saying. We will not be doing Halloween either. Just remember everyone, no matter what you do, please be safe 
God Bless,
Melanie |
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Delphi
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 8:10 am
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done.
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FLKook
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 4:11 pm
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Holloween is finished...Pagan holiday (which by the way comes from Holy Day) that rots your teeth. If you want to have a costume party have one. If you want to OD your kids on sugar do so. Don't let the boogy man get them in some Mall of horrors. Don't have kids either...but neices and nephews that I know are staying home or having parties with known friends. |
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WonderWmn93
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Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:49 am
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Delphi..........oh you sweetheart, I was not trying to come down on you. I hope that you did not take it that way. I enjoy your posts and thank you for taking the time to inform others of things that are going on I have never really like Halloween, even as a child. Things were different then. I don't remember there being so much scary stuff and horror to it. Now a days, even people I know, like to go out of their way to really scare the pants off kids in their neighborhood. I don't want my children being involved in something that has so much evil undertones in it. We all know what really goes on.... on Halloween night. Well, at least I know. Let's just say that when I was younger my older brother got involved in some not so nice things. That is why I know what Halloween really represents, and I will not allow my children to participate in it. But, it is really up to each parent to make that choice. Sorry.... didn't mean to ramble on about my childhood
God Bless,
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TheXPig
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:24 pm
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Ya know, for the group of government distrusters and conspiracy seekers, I would have thought that maybe y'all wouldn't just jump on this one and believe it with a bit of research. Not that hard to pick up a phone and call someone, like the person who first started this e-mail, and try to verify some facts.
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:10 pm
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This post is not addressed to anyone in particular. You read the rant at the bottom and decide for yourself if it applies to you.
Here is what Snopes.com had to say about this myth -- which, like almost all myths, is completely false.
"Origins: The above-quoted e-mail began circulating on October 5, 2001. Its author, a young lady whose signature block is included in a number of the forwards, has told us she got this story from a friend, who in turn heard it from the warned girl."
"Whatever the gal who wrote the e-mail believes about the truthfulness of her friend, this particular story is false:"
"Hundreds of people have called Katsis or the FBI to check the E-mail's veracity."
" 'The information is completely unsubstantiated,' said Laura Bosley, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Los Angeles bureau. 'There is nothing to suggest it is credible'. "
"A public information officer at the FBI's National Press Office told us that they've fielded many phone calls about this message, they've checked it out, and they have received no letter of warning from a girl with an Afghan boyfriend."
"This story fits neatly into the genre of a number of similar rumors about helped terrorists or compassionate Arabs who are moved to offer specific warnings about upcoming attacks, and thus should most likely be dismissed as just more of the same. ("Helped terrorists" of lore offer such heads up by way of thanks for a kindness done them. "Compassionate Arabs" of rumor offer such intelligence to favored neighbors, usually just before they themselves pack up and leave in the middle of the night. Dozens, if not hundreds, of versions of such tales abound, each told by someone who swears he heard it from someone who knows the person who had the encounter.) Such snippets of lore swing on the belief that those who have foreknowledge of destruction to come would jeopardize the outcome of those events by warning others. Terrorists may very well form friendships among the folk they've temporarily taken on the coloration of, but friendships stop at the line where they might interfere with operations. To think otherwise is to surrender to a form of naïveté that can only be characterized as appallingly wishful thinking."
Now don't get me wrong, this is still a free country. If you want to pass along myths like this one, or the Secret Plot to blow up the buildings, or the "revelations" that George Bush is really Osama bin Laden's sister's cat's grandfather's fraternity brother, you can do so. But you might want to remember these considerations.
1. You are, whether you know it or not, helping the terrorists and other enemies in their efforts to destabilize and destroy our country by passing along such lies.
2. Since many of the people who read your posts are extremely suggestible and prone to accepting whatever they see here, you are responsible for raising their concerns. They will panic meaninglessly just like you do, and they could end up harming themselves or others.
3. People just like you and me, who make a living just like we do, are going to suffer because these meaningless fears will keep people out of the malls, shops, and restaurants. With our economy already in the doldrums, all we need to really finish it off and put a lot of middle and working class folks out of work is to make up stories like this to further damage our economy.
Now this chemtrail belief system, in my opinion, is perfectly harmless. Nobody is being killed by folks shooting down chemplanes, because no one is shooting down chemplanes. No one is being harmed by fears of chemtrails cutting into air travel and tourism, because no one who flies buys into chemtrails. Chemtrails, I believe, is a perfectly harmless game; we all get to vent now and then; we can enjoy wasting our time on the Internet; Mark can practice his poetry and I can practice my essays; and no one is getting hurt.
But when you bring up these completely unfounded myths without even thinking about checking them out, you seem to forget we are in a war. You do a disservice to everyone I can think of except for one individual:
Osama bin Laden. You're his friend.
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525 |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:50 pm
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Thanks for the research, but I must offer one slight correction, Duncan...
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...because no one who flies buys into chemtrails.
I both fly and acknowledge Chemtrails. |
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KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:42 pm
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Actually Duncan, I did a bit of research on this subject after I had received it in my e-mail. When I found sites that did have info, the information stated that this was uncomfirmed and, they were NOT looking at it as a hoax, but were investigating it more seriously. I held onto it for a day before finding that information out, and deciding to post it. As you see I also said "take it for what it's worth" because it sure did have the ring of 'hoax' to it, but since the big guys didn't know, well I just have do what comes naturally, and allow others to make up their own minds as to what to think of it.
As for contributing to the economic demise, because of that post,,, some malls losing business because little ole me posted something that was all over the web to begin with, well I say... Good! Ha! I never did like the commercialization of every little holiday that comes along in a week. Especially a Pagan oriented one such as, tooth rotting, mischief inspiring, fake blood and guts dripping, satan glorifying Halloween! If I saved the ripped-off consumer the cost of one packet of "scar putty" because I made this post at Chemtral Central, well then,... so be it. 
Gee Thermit, I didn't know you had added another moderator to the board, or Duncan,... have you become a self-proclaimed one? I don't know about the others, but I really don't need a babysitter to protect me from others posts. I pretty much can decide for myself what posts I do or do not put merit in,,, and I sure hope I am not the only one here with that capability!!
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:28 pm
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Brother Thermit:
You are correct, of course; I should've said something to the effect that 'belief in the chemtrail phenomenon is not a key economic driver in the level of passenger miles'.
Ms. Kneweyes:
I gather you took my first paragraph to heart and did decide that my comments applied to you. Not a problem.
"I did a bit of reserch on this subject...."
Snopes has been the premier website for discussion of urban myths for over four years. The article I quoted from was in place Thursday October 13. I do not know what kind of research you did, but I would recommend Snopes in the future; they've got a good reputation and don't pull their punches.
"...but since the big guys didn't know, well I just have do what comes naturally, and allow others to make up their own minds as to what to think of it."
If passing along unsubstantiated stories to overly-credulous people is what "comes naturally", then by all means, proceed. You may choose to take responsibility for what results your activities have. Or, you may not.
"Gee Thermit, I didn't know you had added another moderator to the board, or Duncan,... "
Actually, I am not a moderator; I am the new owner of this board. The Boeing Company recently bought out all the Chemtrail sites; we are planning on turning them around to a "yes, there are chemtrails, but they're only from Airbus Industrie aircraft" philosophy. this should do wonders for our sales in the 21st century.
In my new job, I report directly to Mr. Wiseqakker, whom many of you may remember as being a Boeing employee as well. Both Mr. Thermit and Mr. Carnicom are now millioniares, and it's all thanks to me!!
But getting serious for a minute, I do not believe I have to be a 'moderator' to pronounce my opinions.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:44 pm
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Knew Eyes--
The way you recognize a moderator is, they wander around trying to fix the html in other people's posts.
Duncan has admitted to certain supernatural abilities lately, though, so he may be a moderator after all.
3T3 |
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KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:43 pm
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>>>Ms. Kneweyes:
I gather you took my first paragraph to heart and did decide that my comments applied to you. Not a problem.<<<
Well, yeah,  I did, since it was ME who made the post , and you were zeroing in on it.
As for "Snopes" ,, thanks for the lead, and I will check it out.
>>>If passing along unsubstantiated stories to overly-credulous people is what "comes naturally", then by all means, proceed. You may choose to take responsibility for what results your activities have. Or, you may not.<<<
A large percentage of the information in the posts in this forum are unsubstantiated, because it's been so darn hard to get any answers from those who HAVE the answers, since they claim there is nothing out of the ordinary is to begin with. Therefore.. they say, questioning of any kind, is unfounded.
I don't believe the people on this board are "overly-credulous". I pretty much think that they have they're discernment ability in the "normalish" range. LOL
I guess it all depends on how much personal experience one has, (not book read experiences) whether certain posts have more credibility than others. Depends on who's reading them.
No, I don't appreciate how you have taken my post individually, and insinuated that I contribute to, or am a friend of terrorism,.. and that is what you did. I won't play that game with you. Don't twist my posts around.
Like I said,,, when I posted it, it was said to NOT be a hoax, and there was no terrorism intended on my part. You can tell your boss that.
I have read the "new standards" of evaluating if a person is a terrorist or not, and your new posts seems to feel like a set-up of sorts to me. I won't play that game with you either Duncan. I still have the freedom to honk like the goose that I am when I sense danger,and yes, that just comes naturally to me.
Oh, by the way,,, nothing personal Duncan. Actually I like you, and find you to have a superior, humorous wit. But your a debunker, and I'm not, and I don't know if your paid or not to be on these boards. I know I'm not, and I always wondered why people put so much time into something they claim NOT to believe. Especially one as obviously intelligent as you. I don't understand that thought pattern, but then again, I don't waste any real time trying to figure it out anyway.
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