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defender
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WHO ARE TPTB
 Fri Apr 20, 2001 5:03 pm
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... or, as NSA Sucks says, The Powers that Suck (TPTS)?
I understand some recent posts about peace, love and understanding. I'm all for that. But isn't it important to know who The Powers That Be are.
Are they aliens? nazis? commies? the NSA, KGB, GRU, Mossad, CIA, Red China, the military? the FDA? satanists? the NWO? conspiracy theorists? "feminazis"? "angry white men"? liberals? conservatives? repubicans? democrats? Mass Media? NBC, CNN, Wall St Journal? the Federal Reserve? the NRA? the ADL? the NOW? The KKK? the Southern Poverty League? Arab terrorists? The White House? "Chemmies"? or CON-trail Artists?
Or all of them, or a combination thereof?
To me, they are;
The powers who killed Kennedy and started the Viet Nam war killing 57,000 American boys and girls and 5 million Asian men, women and children..., (but they're not Americans or Viet Namese)
The powers who supported the Confederacy in the U.S. that brought about the most casualties of any war in America. (but they're not Americans or even just British)
The powers who killed 6 million Jews in WWII and years later forgot to mention that they also killed millions of Christians, including 9 million Russians. (but they're not Germans)
The powers that label every generation and every person in America as a means of control and division by race, religion, sex and economic status (divide and conquer).
The powers who killed Sharon Tate and Abigail Folger and then used the killings to destroy the Peace & Love generation by calling them 'hippies'.
Anyway, you get the idea...
What do you think?
If this is too negative for some of you, I understand your philosphy. But I think its important to know or try to find out who are "The Powers That Be", so we can better understand what these chemtrails are all about.
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Lulu
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 5:32 pm
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defender,
I think that TPTB will always be a faceless, nameless, EVIL; the unseen enemey that slithers like a thief in the night. Call it Legion if you will.
The REAL Power That IS (TRPTI) is named Love. That's all I need to know. TPTB are all Fools. The power of Love rules. |
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nsasucks
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 5:55 pm
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Defender: Every item on your list points either to the SS or the CIA. One or the other, save the Civil War. Of course, the CIA was populated with the SS: 43-52, so I guess you could say...one and the same.
TPTS: gives you a warm smile.
(to the tune of Oscar Meyer veiner)
Unt---I vant to be unt CIA killer,
unt that is vat I truly vant to be,
if I coot be unt CIA killer,
happiness would descend upon meeeeeeee!
Unt---I vant to give Jim Jones a lot drugs,
unt, guns and vomen, unt needles for free,
unt, Manson was a death's head disciple of mine agency,
SinQ vas sent to scare you unt me!
Patty Hearst is mkid unt a long-term,
now she smiles on tvvvvvvvvvv,
unt her brains are fried from all dat 'torazine,
just look in here eyes and seeeeeeee! |
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RidesTheWind
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 6:34 pm
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Maybe Thermit should keep a running list of abreviations for new comers to understand whats being written...Just a thought. |
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RidesTheWind
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 9:06 pm
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Thanks Thermit... |
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cydoniaquest
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 9:19 pm
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"The Central Intelligence Agency was created in 1947 with the signing of the National Security Act by President Truman. The National Security Act charged the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) with coordinating the nation's intelligence activities and correlating, evaluating, and disseminating intelligence which affects national security."
I think guys like Hitler and philosophies like communism had a lot to do with evil.....let's not give the CIA all the credit!
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Thermit
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 9:31 pm
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quote:
philosophies like communism...
Actually pure communism is a decent idea (IMHO), it's just the implementation (which isn't anywhere near true communism) that causes the problems...you know...some animals are more equal than others...power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely... |
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defender
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 10:34 pm
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I think you're all right. I understand NSA's anger, but part of my thinking is that TPTB/TPTS use racism and nationalism to feed the hatred that fuels warfare and stokes the military/industrial/media complex and the ultra rich who profit from it. No individual nationality was responsible for WWII, Viet Nam, Waco or even the Civil War that was financed by the British Empire (ever notice the Confederate flag and Union Jack...another piece of history we've been denied)etc. But the British people were'nt responsible for the Civil War. TPTB/TPTS get their fangs into wherever the profits are and peoples lives are nothing to them.
The corporate media plays along, as it always has, to continue the lies so the wars can go on without human interference. They keep us guessing, keep us at odds with each other in a constant state of fear and anger.
I'm trying to say that the American people aren't responsible for Viet Nam, just as the German people aren't responsible for WWII. Even back to the Civil War, they all had support and financing from world banks and weapons empires. They thrive on fear and hatred. They're the opposite of what Lulu is talking about. If we had more of a voice in the media, we'd have a better chance, but we still have the Internet and maybe the Millionth Monkey is around the corner?
"I rode a tank, held a general's rank, when the Blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
"Let me please introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste!"
[Mark Sky, anyone, can you get the midi for that?...."Sympathy for TPTB"!]
I'm writing this as the protests are going on in Quebec!! Pray for them, if you're into that?
Not trying to get a last word here, just comments.
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cydoniaquest
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 11:20 pm
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Well Thermit, if you read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, it actually doesn't sound too bad on paper……and I do believe his intentions were good. Matter of fact, that's why I believe socialists, communists and liberals continue to believe in the theory today. It sounds good on paper, the idealistic way for mankind to live. However, it has absolute disregard for human nature, spirituality and differing needs, wants and motivations, and has never worked in history wherever it was attempted to be implemented.
In order for a socialist government to be implemented...it must be enforced because human nature does not accept it naturally. Therefore a socialist government requires an elite class of enforcers who live above the rules that govern the rest of the socialist society. This ruling class becomes the communist party, therefore “true socialism” usually degrades to communism or a communist dictatorship. This allows for absolute power....whereas the Democratic-Republic/ capitalistic government, by comparison, has competing powers. Because of these competing powers in a capitalistic system, it becomes very difficult for any one group to assume absolute rule for very long. The American people only have oppression (such as over-taxation) due to their own apathy, ignorance and believing years of propaganda spewed forth by government elites who depend on taxpayer money for their power . GW for example, is even having trouble getting a majority of the American public to agree to a refund of their own money! UNBELIEVABLE!
But yes the point is that socialism and communism allow corrupt individuals to assume absolute power....and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's amazing we haven't learned from history yet!
BTW, I think you're all right. I understand NSA's anger, but part of my thinking is that TPTB/TPTS use racism and nationalism to feed the hatred that fuels warfare and stokes the military/industrial/media complex
TPTB are not such a mystery to me. I know who they are, and they can be summed up in one word: "liberals". Now I'm not talking about the individual citizen necessarily....I'm talking about the modern liberal (as we now define the term) in power in government today. “Liberal” simply is another word for someone with a communist or socialist philosophy and agenda who redistributes other people's money to buy his/her own power. By other people's money, I mean taxpayer money that was seized by the IRS. I think the tactics of TPTB that you mention, Defender, are commonly being used by "liberals" in government on a daily basis. Class warfare and racism, and demonization of opponents are favorite tactics the liberals use to remain in power.....but it does nothing to bolster the military/industrial complex. In fact we are seeing an energy crisis in California as a result of the left’s use of oppressive regulation to prevent power plant construction...and the poor decisions of corrupt self-serving socialists in power here. The left has routinely sabotaged American military capability over the last eight years of the Clinton administration.....so I don't see how this mentality helps to "stoke" the military industrial complex in any way. |
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defender
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 11:39 pm
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The idea that the "left" influence in the US Govt has routinely sabotaged the American military may or may not be true. It's just a sign that TPTB use government offices for power plays to get what they want. It will translate to a larger weapons budget to continue the MAD doctrine that has proven so lucrative to TPTB.
The 'left' is just another one of those buzzwords like republican or democrat. I think there is more of a threat to freedom coming from the 'left' in recent years, but it's all a shell game. That's my point, we have to be controlled... we have certainly been indoctrinated into a violent world and a way of looking at international politics. TPTB are also not confined to govt orgs outside of the U.S.
I'm not advocating we give up any individual rights, and I prefer a Democratic form of govt as opposed to a communist one since it's the one I grew up with, (or thought I did) but to blindly follow any political party without questioning their motives especially in light of the lies we've been told for decade after decade is unwise.
If you believe the propaganda that we are spoon-fed by corporate media every day, then you probably won't agree with my idea of what The Powers That Be are. Red China is one of them and CIA is another.
BTW, I'm sure that Red China has its own kind of propaganda machine to control it's population. I'm also sure that their intel groups, like ours, are and have been involved in cold war espionage from the beginning, but these groups themselves are extensions of TPTB whether they know it or not. It's always about power and weapons and governments working in concert with arms dealers. TPTB manipulate the system and always come out on top, if you can call it that.
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cydoniaquest
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Sat Apr 21, 2001 12:00 am
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The 'left' is just another one of those buzzwords like republican or democrat. There is as much corruption in the 'right' as there is on the 'left'.
I don't believe this is completely true,...and here's why: When we are talking about the terms "left" and "right", we are talking about a political philosophy or ideology, just as when we use the terms “socialist” and “capitalist“. There is no corruption in either philosophy…by definition.
Now it is a different thing when we are talking about political parties. The level of corruption in each party depends partly on how closely they follow the political philosophy which they espouse. There can be liberal Republicans for example…(and there are). Some liberal Republicans are responsible for making it difficult for GW to pass his tax cut, for example. One liberal Republican opposed removing a gasoline tax (that was supposed to originally be temporary) in the middle of this current energy crisis!
The question of corruption comes in when you examine the motivations and find that these liberals have as their primary motivation to serve their own financial interests and power at the expense of the rest of the country.
I agree that blindly following any one party is foolish. This is not what I'm doing. But following a political philosophy or ideology is a different thing altogether....and is really not related to corruption. |
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desert flower
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Sat Apr 21, 2001 6:34 am
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Precisely what I'm talking about, which is the reason I decided to go straight to the "Heart" of the matter.I just finished hanging out with HAARP for about a month and I'll tell you--compared to that I'm exstatic to be breathing chemtrails---taking in huge lungfuls at a time. Of course we want neither,----unfortunately we have both. The imminence of what's going on with HAARP and other related electro-magnetic technology including crowd control and mind control
(being used in Quebec as we speak, I dare say)makes me think that this battle must be fought in a completely different way. However much we beat our heads against the "Machine" there is no way we can come up with counter measures on the physical plane. Actually with what I've learned, and what I inherrently
feel, I am completely amazed that we are still here. Hence my belief in miracles. Even if we take away the evil intentions, the possibility of mistakes on the level of technology we are dealing with are mind boggling.
Yeah. So every morning I go outside and breathe deeply of the aluminum/barium/biological component laden air and say "Thank You Mother for this day".
As for communism---I witnessed the decimation of my city, Budapest (I'm from Hungary)while the rest of the world stood by.
I watched the bodies pile up--watched my playground turned into a graveyard. The first concept I learned as a child was that of lying, having to say/think one thing at home, but heaven help you if you said the same things in public. Your family could just disappear---no explanations. My first reaction, in those brief days of the "Hungarian revolution" was to get a hold of some molotov cocktails and chuck them at the tanks rolling down my streets.And I was only a child then. And yes, Marxism looks good on paper, but until humanity is more concerned with loving each other, than "what's in it for me--and how can I control others to achieve this", that system or any other won't work. One thing that we do take for granted in this part of the world, (well Canada anyway)is the measure of freedom that we still have. Much of the rest of the world is not so lucky.While our minds are busy discussing and trying to figure out who is responsible the "machine" marches on relentlessly and with gathering speed. That's why I feel we have to change the arena to one that's beyond the physical, and into the realm of the "spirit". I know this is hard to swallow, but even the oppressors have a spark within them that can respond to love if we make it strong enough. (There goes my belief in miracles again). Of course it's not easy, because of the satisfaction that's gained from hating the oppressor, but in my estimation it's the only thing that will work now.
I'm a firm believer in the hundredth monkey theory, and that's where I want to put my energy. You may want to check out Gregg Braden's website,--greggbraden.net--He is a quatum physicist, earth scientis, ex NASA etc...turned visinary, who has been working with the quantum principle for a long time now.
Here's an artice I wrote for my college paper on HAARP.
The Hell You Say...…Devils play this HAARP
Although I intend to delve much deeper into the issue of the "High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project, (HAARP), for now suffice it to say :"The HAARP system is designed to manipulate the ionosphere, a layer which begins about 30 miles above the Earth.." Located in Alaska, "…the HAARP device is a phased array antenna system- a large field of antennas designed to work together in focusing radio-frequency energy …"('Earthrising'-Dr. Nick Begich(26))
According to Professor of Economics, Michel Chossudovsky, of the University of Ottawa, author of "Globalization of Poverty", under the High -frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP), a new generation of sophisticated non-lethal weapons have been developed..
He states "that HAARP…[being] part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI),..is fully operational, and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military stand point, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. To this date," there is no evidence that this deadly technology has been used, [but] …potentially it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilizing agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions"
Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that" US military scientists…are working on weather systems as a potential weapon. The methods include the enhancing of storms and the diverting of vapor rivers in the Earth's atmosphere to produce targeted droughts or floods.(The Times, London, 23November,2000)" She depicts HAARP as "a gigantic heater that can cause major disruption in the ionosphere, creating not just holes, but long incisions in the protective layer that keeps deadly radiation from bombarding the planet" (Briarpatch, January,2000[emphasis added])
Chossudovsky's article further states that "The use of HAARP-if it were to be applied-could have potentially devastating impacts on the world's climate….it could be used to selectively modify climate in different parts of the World …"
An international Convention that was ratified by the UN General Assembly in 1997 bans " military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques…for changing-through deliberate manipulation of natural processes-the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere or hydrosphere or of outer space."(UN Chronicle. July, 1984, Vol 21,p.27.)
" More generally, HAARP has the ability of modifying the World's electromagnetic field. It is part of an arsenal of 'electronic weapons' which US military researchers consider a 'gentler and kinder warfare'
(Don Herskovitz, Killing them Softly, Journal of Electronic Defense, August,1993)
As far as I'm concerned,--this s!@# is way too weird. What the hell-give me a good old fashioned nuclear bomb any day, --at least that way our shadows will be left for posterity.
( I can't for the life of me figure out what happened to my usually sunny disposition.).
MUST BE HELL WEEK
Much of this material is taken from "Angels Don't Play this HAARP",written 6 years ago.
If as Dr. Begich says, technology is turning over at the rate of every 9 to 10 months,(and that was 2 years ago,--- incorporating the fact that the time line is now moving exponentially, I shudder to think what that rate is now.)--------- Did I say that I believe on miracles?
Thanks for listening, if you got this far---I know it's a long one.
Here's another gem from Dan Quayle:
" I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and [demockracy]--but that could change." Gotta love that man.
PEACE AND LOVE
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desert flower
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Sat Apr 21, 2001 6:59 am
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For some strange reason the best part of my HAARP article didn't come through when I pasted it, so here goes....
One of the risks associated with this technology is that as the billions of watts of concentrated radio energy are beamed into the ionosphere "...if the correct frequency harmonic for that carrier is chosen randomly, the result will be an absolutely catastrophic release of pure energy. The sky would literally appear to burn. What cannot be calculated or imagined, according to Brooks Agnew, specialist in earth penetrating tomography, and author of Radio Tomography of Geological Strata, is how hot the fire would be, how long it would burn, or what elements or isotopes would remain after the reaction is complete.
On that note here's another quote from Dan Quayle "We are ready for any unforseen event that may, or may not occur".
Thanks, Love to all,
Desert Flower/Kali |
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Delphi
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Sat Apr 21, 2001 7:47 am
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Defender, I get what you mean about the 60's "peace and Love" generation and how the Manson "thing", not to mention the help of the CIA and others, brought that movement down to a "fizzle" and than the spark went out! The Kent State deal, all of that...and now, with all these new "Mind altering" techniques and weapons that can possibly affect everyones mind, maybe even how they think or feel, the so-called "Non-lethal" weapon gadgetry, I wonder if enough "peace and Love" and positive thoughts could actually bring about change in the wolrd when TPTB have the capability to "scramble" our brains and even create Holographic scenes that could send everyone screaming into the streets. It's a nice concept but it might have worked in the 60's if it wasn't for the infiltration and subversion that took place to bring the movement down. Now...Will see...Joanne |
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