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TheXPig
Joined: 16 Oct 2001
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Fear-mongering
 Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:10 pm
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Silly me, I just can't seem to keep my mouth shut. First, I'd like to say Hi to everyone from sunny, windy, cold South-Central Colorado, home of NORAD.  As most of you may have guessed, I'm new around these parts and thought I'd get myself into a heap of trouble from the get go.
I have been scanning messages posted here for about a week and I must say that the only place I have seen more fear-mongering going on about 911 has been CNN. Shouts of government involvement, or active participation, the Satanic plot angle and the rampant bending of the Bible to suit your means just scrap the surface of what I've seen.
I've got CNN telling me to worry about Anthrax, or not, and there are people here telling me that it's a plot by the government to disarm us. NWO my behind. I think that maybe we just aren't giving the general population the credit that they deserve. If you really believe that this is just an excuse to disarm, then where is our martial law declaration? Fastest way to stomp a people into helplessness is to turn their towns into police states. So, why hasn't it happened?
I know this is not a good way to make friends and all, but since everyone is entitled to speak their piece (thanks to a still intact Constitution) I just thought I'd speak mine.
And no, I'm not saying that our gov't is innocent, I'm not that much of a fool. But come on.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by TheXPig on 10-16-2001] |
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KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
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Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:18 pm
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Maybe next week,,, maybe next week we will see martial law enforced, while all our "protectors" are safely off to China.
>>>>TOP U.S. GOVT. TO CHINA NEXT WEEK, DISCUSS AFGHAN
Posted By: Phoenix
Date: Sunday, 14 October 2001, 9:52 a.m.
This article contains a wealth of information.
There is more validation that the U. S. "secret" plan for Afghanistan is proceeding.
As seen before, this involves setting up a government that is amenable to our interests (oil pipelines, most profitable to provide oil and gas for China and Japan).
The puppet government, the Northern Alliance,will probably be fronted by the elderly former king, Mohammad Zahir Shah and be under U.N. control.
Our top government personnel will be in China on Thursday at the Economic Summit and will continue discussions of Afghanistan's future with Russia and China.
The government personnel include Bush and Powell.
The heads of the Commerce department are in Russia now with defense and oil companies, so will presumably be in China by Thursday as well.
I suspect that Cheney will also be there and probably has been brokering deals around the Caspian Sea, the Persian Gulf, Russia and China. Worldwide deal making was his speciality as Halliburton's CEO.
I also strongly suspect Bush Sr. to be active in this process.
It is significant that under consideration is the rebuilding of the infrastructure of Afghanistan (after we're done bombing it again). Infrastructure building and support, especially for the oil industry, is Halliburton's speciality. They did this in the Balkans.
So, it looks like our top government officials, will be in China next week to have discussions that include Russia.
The discussions will include the future of Afghanistan and worldwide economic agreements.
Any outrage about manipulation of foreign governments will be dispersed by the U. N. overseeing this process.
OK, while we're sitting over here in the U. S. expecting an array of "terrorist attacks", although "protected" by NATO planes, the Executive branch of our government will be in China brokering business deals.
What kind of business deals were made to sell out the U. S. to the U. N.?
Shouldn't the Executive branch of the U. S. government be in the U. S. now instead of NATO?
It's not just a matter of where their priorities and focus should be, but aren't they vulnerable to attack themselves?
What would happen if we lost all these people at once?
Does anybody else see something terribly wrong here?
By the way, although the NYT reported Friday that the Afghanistan village of Karam had at least 53 dead, this is not mentioned in this article when civilian bombing is mentioned.<<<<
more:
http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=13103
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TheXPig
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Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:27 pm
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Okay, I've read the post and I see a whole lot of RUMOR, but no fact to support any of it. I will be more than happy to give something credit provided some proof, or at least something I can confirm with another source is supplied. And a reference to another "conspiracy" website doesn't count.
Again, my $0.02
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BobB
Joined: 30 Jul 2001
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Tue Oct 16, 2001 4:07 pm
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The media has been used to convince you that only fools believe in government conspiracies, even though history shows us that they have always been a conspiracy...good luck, were going to need it. |
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Duncan Kunz
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Tue Oct 16, 2001 5:50 pm
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Dear Mr. XPig:
Greetings from your neighbor to the southwest, home of the soon-to-be World-Series-winning Arizona Diamondbacks baseball team and the semi-pro Arizona Cardinals football team.
Last summer I managed to do both Estes Park and the Durango-Silverton train ride; you've got a lovely state in the summer. I also took my wife dancing at this great cowboy bar on the outskirts of Colorado Springs last year, but was too drunk at the time to remember its name.
As you're undoubtedly aware, most of the folks here are believers rather than debunkers, but we all seem to get along with only the minimum of hissing and snarling. Enjoy!
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525 |
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TheXPig
Joined: 16 Oct 2001
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:50 am
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BobB, if it's all just one big conspiracy, then how come people know about it? Let's think on that one for a sec. 3 people can keep a secret, if 2 are dead. If it's really a secret, then we don't know about it. How do you know that what you believe to be proof of a conspiracy isn't just disinformation.
Duncan, pleased to meet ya. How's the weather down your way these days? Did you get any of that recent cold snap? |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:14 am
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3 people can keep a secret, if 2 are dead
lol 
home of the soon-to-be World-Series-winning Arizona Diamondbacks baseball team
duncan I'll bet you a complete "cloudbuster" set up kit, with all the attachments...that it's the yankees year...
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amber
Joined: 17 May 2001
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:51 am
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X-Pig - hello BTW
"BobB, if it's all just one big conspiracy, then how come people know about it? "
The point is, XPig, that TPTB have done such a good job at advancing their plans for a NWO, depopulation...whatever...and done such a good job of behaviour modification and manipulation on the world populace...that THEY NO LONGER NEED TO COVER ANYTHING UP OR KEEP IT SECRET...They can now do it in full public view and no one does anything! WE ARE ALL REALLY THAT STUPID!!
I tell people that the Bush family are/were business partners with Bin Laden and Saddam...They simply shrug their shoulders...there was more of an outcry and interest in Clinton's sexual exploits...but Bush a partner of the man he says murdered 6,000 US citizens? Where is the media out cry? Where are the people protesting? The Us Govt gave the Taliban $43 million...trained them...supplied them...ALL facts not rumour...There are 4,000 Iraqi's living in Oklahoma...brought in by Bush Snr and Clinton - who were seemingly UNTOUCHABLE during and following the OK bombing - inspite of hundreds of witnessess identifying iraqis with McVeigh - some witnesses even named one Iraqi 
This is just the surface...all facts...all in the public domain...no one does anything...why would the government need to keep it secret anymore? It can simply do it in full public view!!!! |
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TheXPig
Joined: 16 Oct 2001
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:57 am
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Amber, Hi right back at ya.
Okay, if they no longer need to cover it up, then it isn't a conspiracy, is it? If it's in the open then it's not being done by secret societies.
Hence, it isn't a conspiracy. So, why is it being made out to be one by people?
$0.02
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amber
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:30 pm
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To conspire is to plot or scheme together towards a goal or end - it need not be secret...You are arguing semantics....and ignored the points i made We are in the End Zone...time is short...For many people the predictable arguments against 'conspiracy' theories are a tired parlour game...the debate, i feel, has moved on...moved on long ago...and no, I don't believe every theory or plot...but my instincts and my intellect are screaming at the moment...A big game is being played...but only the few know the rules... If the world is going down the toilet I don't want my maker to ask me why I didn't use the brain he supplied me with. Why I allowed evil to take hold in his world...and welcomed it without question...Believe what you want...some things are true whether you believe them or not |
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TheXPig
Joined: 16 Oct 2001
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:44 pm
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Amen
Of course, if this is a NWO plot, then why on earth would GW even pretend to try to deal with Russia or China, since we would need them pissed at us in order to get the TOTAL support needed for NWO.
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Just my $0.02.
TXP
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amber
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:21 pm
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For the simple reason that, for now, it suits their purpose - TPTB benefit from Chinese and Russian support...China and russia get something in return - China got entry to the WTO - whilst no one was looking - And Russia? The west will look away as far as Chechnya (SP) is concerned. and Russia may be admitted to NATO. Plus all of the above will benefit from the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian that cannot be touched until stable govt exists in Afghanistan.
You can bet that once they have what they want each will return to former hostilities |
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:33 pm
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Seeker, just because I'm a debunker doesn't mean I'm a complete idiot; after all, I do get $75,000 a year from the CIA. I wouldn't take your bet for anything!
...On the other hand, if we win the next three games as easily as the first one against Atlanta (and I'm not holding my breath), I'll stand you the chembuster against my bottle of chemscum-antidote (sorry, not recommended or guaranteed against anthrax).
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:35 am
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now Duncan that's not a fair bet...the cloudbuster is expensive and costs way more than the chemscum anti-dote...and we all know what it is anyway... Beer !
you cia guys sure are so tight with your money !
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BobB
Joined: 30 Jul 2001
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Wed Oct 31, 2001 6:45 am
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YALL ARE MAKING A JOKE OF DUNCANS CIA INVOLVMENT, BUT YOU ARE WRONG TO DO SO.THIS IS SERIOUS.DUNCAN KUNZ IS MORE THAN A DEBUNKER, HE IS AN INTELLIGENT PROPAGANDA EXPERT. HE IS PROBABLY A CIA OPPERATIVE, ALTHOUGH THIS IS HARD TO COMFIRM.WHATEVER HE IS, HE IS A DANGER TO OUR WAY OF LIFE, AND AN AFRONT TO OUR CAUSE. IF HE IS NOT STOPPED FROM POSTING DISIMFORMATION, I WILL REMOVE MYSELF VOLONTARILY FROM THIS BOARD...I HAVE NO TIME OR DESIRE TO FIGHT INTENTIONAL DECEPTION PERPETRATED BY SOMEONE WHOS ONLY PURPOSE ON THIS BOARD IS TO CAST DOUBT ON ANY THEORY OR BELIEF WHICH SHEDS A BAD LIGHT ON THE FED GOV |
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