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BigJoe

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:57 pm
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ET, I'm not a professional photographer by any means, but I do take a lot of photos. I'm wondering if a polarizing filter, along with perhaps a UV "skylight" filter might bring out the contrast and enhance these images.
Hope this helps... |
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Et in Arcadia ego

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:34 pm
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Agreed. A UV filter is essential, and I find much more detail when I'm looking at these formations when I'm wearing polarized sunglasses.
I'm hoping that we can determine something slightly more advanced, such as the deepsky filters used in ametuer astronomy that will filter out things such as arc sodium and other man-made light pollution sources. This would need to operate inversely to isolate particular chemical wavelengths in the manner of but not as limiting as a Hydrogen Aplpha filter. We already have at least a good idea what some of these would chemical signatures would be that could be potentially isolated, ie; Barium, Aluminum, etc..
It probably wouldn't even have to be a professional filter attatchment, we could possibly tape a filter gel over the lenses used. _________________ "If the President has commander-in-chief power to commit torture, he has the power to commit genocide, to sanction slavery, to promote apartheid, to license summary execution." |
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Dan Rockwell

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:06 pm
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I took a lot of digital images of chemtrails at one time and used just a two basic no-flash Polaroid 320 Digital camera. They can hold something like 30 images in memory each and take some pretty decent images. These are two of images that I took with them a few years ago and there are still a few images in the image database here.
For some reason they seem to be more sensitive to some of the optical qualities of the chem-haze and trails than some of the more professional cameras. |
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soulcore

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i use purely digital
Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:51 pm
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it cuts down on processing time and allows me to tweak levels in photoshop. I'm a graphic designer, so I have a pretty good working knowledge of digital imaging techniques, and a simple "auto levels" command usually brings out more detail than i realized was there. I then fade the effect until it is natural looking while still holding that extra information.
they look something like this ... www.soulcore.net/chemtrails/database - i'm still uploading galleries and finalizing the database portion befor ei link it live on the main site, any suggestions woudl be appreciated.
it's nice to be back guys, i see a lot of new avatars around .. and a lot of DFW references ... anyone notice the trails arent quite so "persistant" anymore... _________________ In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
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Dan Rockwell

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:56 pm
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quote: Originally posted by Et in Arcadia ego Maybe cheap lense elements or CCD chips accidentally filter out normally occuring wavelengths that allow the chem to show better.
You might be right about that ET. I did read somewhere that certain wavelengths could affect the performance of professional glass-lensed cameras.
quote: Did this camera have any listed lense features like UV or Polarization? If you could find out anything about it it may possibly help us quantify the best approach to take for 'anecdotal' images
They're basically simple cameras with plastic lenses. No polarization filter as far as I can tell.  |
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Et in Arcadia ego

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Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:49 am
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An excellent online aquanitance of mine gave me the following suggestions:
quote: Originally posted by VS I've always found Image>Adjustments>Equalize to be WAY too heavy handed, and it has no "tweakability" like Levels (histogram) or Curves does.
One method I like to use is stretching each color channel to as far as it will go without clipping in levels, and then applying that only to the luminosity.
If you hold down the alt key when you move the sliders in levels, it will show you what pixels are getting (or already are) clipped for the channel you have selected. Just go through the R, G, and B channels seperatly, pulling the sliders as far toward the center as you can get without clipping. This will end up changing your colors (although sometimes for the better!) so after you apply the levels, go Edit>Fade Levels>Luminosity, and you get to keep the original color. Alternatly, you could select Color under the fade menu, and you would change only the color, not the luminosity.
Example 1: unaltered
Example 2: stretched individual levels
Example 3: stretched individual levels with
luminosty fade
Example 4: stretched individual levels with color fade
/I sorta suck at explaining things
And:
quote: Originally posted by VS A very helpful thing when trying to enhance clouds against a blue sky like that is to make a channel mixer adjustment layer. I'm not sure what version of Photoshop you're using, but in CS, at the bottom of the layers window, there is a circle that is diagonally half black that gives you a drop down menu of "adjustment" layers. From that menu, select "Channel Mixer". Now from the channel mixer window, check the "Monochrome" box, and it's just like using color filters with B/W film! Turn up the red source channel to 100% and if that's not enough, turn down the blue source channel a but, but up the green one to compensate, as you generally want all the percentages to add up to 100. Now hit OK.
Above your background, you now have a new layer. Set this new layer's mode to Luminosity from the drop-down menu at the top of the layers window, and you're done!
Another way of bringing out some of the cloud detail is using a high pass filter. It will produce similar results as unsharp-masking.
To do this, duplicate your background layer, and set the duplicate layer's mode to "Overlay".
It will look real funny now, but don't worry, that gets fixed. Now go Filter>Other>High Pass.
From here, play around with the slider, until you get a result you like, hit OK, and adjust the layer's opacity to your liking.
Now a lot of the time a cheap digital camera can have issues with color noise, and the more processing like this you do, the more it becomes obvious (and distracting). So to correct color noise, covert your image from RGB to Lab color by going Image>Mode>Lab Color. Now, Open the channels window, and select Channel A. Apply a gaussian blur to this channel until the graininess blurs away, and don't worry too much about losing fine details. Do the same for Channel B. Now convert your image back to RGB, and you should have reduced the color noise quite a bit, while leaving the luminosity details intact.
Applying these suggestions, I offer the following:
Before:
After:
I'm still honing this down and it still needs some finesse, but I'm getting to a point where I'm satisfied enough with the results that I might be able to offer a Photoshop action for you guys to load & apply to your own images. _________________ "If the President has commander-in-chief power to commit torture, he has the power to commit genocide, to sanction slavery, to promote apartheid, to license summary execution."
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Et in Arcadia ego

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Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:27 pm
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I've taken some shots of relatively clear sky, or what someone else would think is clear sky in an effort to determine how much detail can be extracted. I have a completely dispersed chem haze over me and have since sunrise.
This is the raw image:
After applying some of the technique mentioned above, this was the result:
You are able to see the diffuse material that is now covering the entire sky after yesterday's relentless spraying here. By pushing further for even more extreme settings, this is the result, and it really demonstrates just how NOT clear the sky really is:
The material is so faint it's very difficult to percieve unless you know what you're looking for. A person who is unaware of the nature of chemclouds is completely incapable of realizing what is actually above them. _________________ "If the President has commander-in-chief power to commit torture, he has the power to commit genocide, to sanction slavery, to promote apartheid, to license summary execution." |
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