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Defector spills the beans PostTue Jun 28, 2005 10:35 pm  Reply with quote  

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Beijing Devoted to Weakening 'Enemy' U.S., Defector Says




June 27, 2005
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

China's communist leaders view the United States as their main enemy and are working in Asia and around the world to undermine U.S. alliances, said a former Chinese diplomat.

Chen Yonglin, until recently a senior political officer at the Chinese Consulate in Sydney, Australia, said in an interview that China also is engaged in large-scale intelligence-gathering activities in the United States that, in the past, netted large amounts of confidential U.S. government documents from agents.

"The United States is considered by the Chinese Communist Party as the largest enemy, the major strategic rival," Mr. Chen told The Washington Times in a telephone interview from Australia, where he is in hiding after breaking with Beijing in May.

All Chinese government officials are ordered to gather information about the United States, "no matter how trivial," he said. "The United States occupies a unique place in China's diplomacy," Mr. Chen said.

A pro-democracy activist who took part in the 1989 demonstrations in Beijing's Tiananmen Square, Mr. Chen, 37, spent 10 years as a Foreign Ministry official. He said he defected and sought political asylum in Australia to highlight repression of the Chinese people by their government and the ruling Communist Party, as well as the repression of dissidents such as democracy activists and the Falun Gong spiritual group.

Most Chinese government activity in the United States involves information-gathering carried out by military-related intelligence officers or civilians linked to the Ministry of State Security, Mr. Chen said.

"I know that China once got a heavy load of confidential documents from the United States and sent it back to China through the Cosco ship," Mr. Chen said, referring to the state-owned China Ocean Shipping Co.

The information was "very useful" to China's military and related to "aircraft technology," he said.

The Chinese also send political police abroad to monitor overseas Chinese and others in North America who Beijing considers opponents of the regime, he said.

China's government has targeted Australia as part of its "money diplomacy" and is working hard to persuade Australia not to send troops to help the United States in any conflict over the Republic of China (Taiwan), Mr. Chen said.

China has sought to influence Australia's government through high-level political visits and favorable trade and by offering contracts on energy-related products. The goal is to force Australia to become part of a China-dominated "grand neighboring region" in Asia and to "force a wedge between the U.S. and Australia," he said.

The U.S. government has a close intelligence relationship with Australia and has been working to build stronger military ties, as the Pentagon shifts its global strategy toward Asia with the planned deployment of more arms in the western Pacific region to counter a Chinese military buildup.

Mr. Chen said he is "frustrated" that the Australian government in May turned down his request for political asylum, a move he thinks was linked to Australian government fears of upsetting Beijing.

Mr. Chen also said he fears that Chinese agents could kidnap him, as they have done with other exile dissidents. He said he prefers to stay in Australia with his wife and child, but also could seek asylum in the United States if Australia threatens to send him back to China, which he fears would endanger his life.

Two other Chinese government officials also defected recently in Australia and have revealed Chinese government spying activities.

Mr. Chen also provided new insights into the closed world of China's ruling power structure and political tensions between President Hu Jintao and former President Jiang Zemin.

Mr. Hu is not fully in control of the government and military, and Mr. Jiang continues to wield power behind the scenes through allies in the armed forces, he said.

"Hu is still in the shadow of Jiang and will be until Jiang dies," Mr. Chen said.

The Chinese leader, however, launched his own version of Chinese ideology at the end of last year that calls for education in advancing the Communist Party. Asked whether Mr. Hu will bring democratic reform to China, Mr. Chen said the Chinese leader is the beneficiary of the dictatorship and, therefore, is unlikely to make changes.

"For the past 16 years, a lot of people have been looking to see if the Communist Party can change from the top down to the low levels, but nothing changes," Mr. Chen said.

On China's military buildup, Mr. Chen said Beijing is following the strategy of former leader Deng Xiaoping, who urged China to "bide our time, build our capabilities" -- military as well as economic and political. "What that means is that when the day is mature, the Chinese government will strike back," he said.

Mr. Chen said the danger of a war over Taiwan is growing.

"That is possible as Chinese society is getting more unstable," he said. "Once any serious civil disobedience occurs, the government may call for a war across the Taiwan Strait to gather [political] strength from people."

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China Activates Bomb Shelters

Intelligence sources suspect reopening to public is part of strategic deception





June 28, 2005
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

China's decision to open up massive bomb shelters to the public, ostensibly to provide a respite from summer heat, has U.S. intelligence analysts concerned about a possible strategic deception by Beijing, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

The government made a high-profile public announcement, carried by the official Xinhua news agency, this week that bomb shelters in central Chongqing would be opened to the public to allow residents to cool off during a heat wave in which temperatures are reaching into the 90s.

Specifically, the announcement said, the government had decided to open 24 cool, underground air-raid shelters, most of them built in the 1960s and 1970s.

"A heat wave with high humidity has hit Chongqing since last week, making life unbearable to residents, many of whom only have electric or palm-leaf fans to cool off," the Xinhua report explained.

The government even planned to equip the shelters with free tea, chairs, books and newspapers for those trying to escape the heat.

The bomb shelters, the report said, covered an area of more than 70,000 square meters – or some 17.3 acres – and could accommodate tens of thousands of people.

While "civil defense" fallout shelters may sound like an anachronism to many in the West, the Chinese have maintained an elaborate, large and sophisticated system, as the size of the Chongquin facility suggests.

The shelters are built for quick and easy access to the public from home or work.

But some Western intelligence analysts believe there is more to this official announcement by the Chinese than public relations, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

"I don't think the Chinese leadership is only interested in appearing beneficent and caring toward its people," one well-placed intelligence source told the premium online intelligence newsletter. "That might be a side benefit to this announcement, but I strongly suspect there is much more to this story than meets the eye."

The Chinese specialist agreed with others knowledgeable about nuclear arms that such a maneuver – opening up large fallout shelters to the public on a regular basis would serve two strategic purposes for Beijing:

* It would familiarize the Chinese people to the shelters, making it easier to evacuate the public in times of potential nuclear attack;
* It would confuse Western intelligence analysts who monitor movements of the Chinese public by satellite as evidence of the government's intentions;

In addition to monitoring missile launches, U.S. national security officials keep an eye on large-scale public movements in countries like China. If, for instance, city residents were seen moving in large numbers into fallout shelters, it would be a sign the government might be preparing for an attack of some kind.

But if such massive movements became routine – because shelters are opened up in the heat of summer and in the cold of winter to provide shelters from the elements – then such movements would more likely be disregarded as militarily insignificant in the West.

"Think about it," said one U.S. intelligence source. "If you were planning, at some point in the future, to launch a pre-emptive first strike on some enemy, wouldn't it make sense to do what the Chinese are doing?"

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Russia wants to build more nuke reactors for Iran[/b]


Jun 28, 5:59 AM (ET)

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia wants to construct up to six new nuclear reactors for Iran, despite U.S. criticism of its assistance to the Islamic republic, Moscow's top nuclear boss was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Russia has pressed ahead with construction of Iran's first nuclear power plant near the southern city of Bushehr, dismissing Washington's belief that Tehran could use Moscow's technology and know-how to make an atom bomb. "When Iran announces new tenders to construct nuclear reactors, we'll take part in them," Alexander Rumyantsev, head of Russia's Atomic Energy Agency, told Itar-Tass news agency.

"Tehran intends to build another six nuclear reactors."

Rumyantsev's remarks came just days after Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow would continue developing nuclear ties with Iran after ultra-conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election as president of the Islamic Republic last week.

Iran says its nuclear program is peaceful.

For Russia, Iran is a key market in the Middle East as it seeks a bigger share of the global nuclear industry, but Moscow is worried it may lose its near-monopoly status there as its Western rivals try to push into the Iranian market.

Moscow and Tehran, whose nuclear ties date back to the early 1990s, signed a fuel supply deal earlier this year that paved the way for Bushehr to start up in late 2006.

Once operational, Bushehr will generate 1,000 megawatts of electricity. Initiated before Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution and badly damaged during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, the project was later revived with Russian help and has cost about $1 billion.




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China Scolds U.S. for Blocking Israeli Arms Sale

BEIJING, June 27 -- Accusing the Bush administration of "carping" and "outside interference," China issued a sharp complaint Monday after Israel cancelled a controversial Israeli-Chinese arms deal under pressure from the United States.

The Israeli decision halted the sale of drone aircraft capable of seeking out radar installations. It was the result of a U.S. campaign to block China from obtaining advanced military technology that could be used against Taiwan and U.S. forces supporting the island in any confrontation.

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As part of the campaign, the Bush administration also pressured European countries against lifting their arms embargo on China, winning at least a delay in a decision to do so. The Israeli government's decision is similar to its cancellation in 2000 of a $1 billion deal to sell Phalcon early warning radar planes to China.

The Israeli cancellation caused irritation in Beijing, where the government has been pushing a military modernization program to bring the People's Liberation Army into the high-tech age and strengthen its ability to dissuade Taiwan from declaring formal independence.

Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing visited Jerusalem last week when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was also there to discuss, among other things, the Bush administration's argument against the arms deal. While the content of Li's discussions with Israeli officials was not revealed, he was believed to be urging completion of the sale.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry, reacting Monday to reports of the cancellation, said cooperation "in every respect" between Israel and China was good not only for the two countries involved, but also for the prospect of peace and stability in the Middle East. Such contact will not harm other countries, the ministry added, referring to the United States.

"Therefore, other countries should not be carping about this," a statement said. "We believe both sides, in developing their bilateral ties, should support the principles of independence and sovereignty and overcome the factor of outside interference."

The disputed deal involved new, improved components for Harpy anti-radar drones. Israel Aircraft Industries sold about 100 of the delta-winged drones to China for more than $50 million in the mid and late 1990s. The aircraft, which have a range of about 310 miles, were considered important because they could destroy radar used to guide the surface-to-air missiles that would be instrumental in Taiwan's defense against potential attacks by Chinese missiles and aircraft .

The United States did not protest when it learned Israel had sold China the drones, which do not incorporate U.S. technology. But U.S. officials did object when they learned of the 2004 deal for new components. Those components had been described as spare parts, but in fact, U.S. officials said, they amounted to a significant upgrade that would broaden the drones' range and improve their ability to home in on enemy radar. The deal, they argued, ignored a 2003 U.S. request to halt all military sales to China.

In the new agreement with Washington reported by the Israeli press and local officials, Israel promised to allow the Pentagon to review future arms sales to prevent such disputes. The terms of the accord are to be finalized this week when an Israeli delegation visits Washington, according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

As described in Jerusalem, the agreement also means the Harpy components that China sent to Israel last summer for modification will not be returned. The report in Haaretz said that the Israeli government expects to compensate China for backing out of the deal and keeping the equipment.

Correspondent Scott Wilson in Jerusalem contributed to this report.

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heh..not sure what to make of that, really.

I get the impression someone must have spiked the two leader's drinks with GHB, Peyote, or somethin..

Sounds great on paper.

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RECENT CHINA REVELATIONS


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On June 9 the Washington Times published a story by Bill Gertz titled Analysts Missed Chinese Buildup. When root assumptions are wrong, basic information will be processed incorrectly. According to Gertz, a “highly classified intelligence report” has concluded that American intelligence missed “several key developments in China in the past decade.” Of course, U.S. intelligence has missed the entire context of the controlled changes in Eastern Europe, the economic strategy of China, the transformation of Venezuela into a hostile beachhead, the shifting of mineral rich South Africa from the capitalist camp to the socialist camp, the arming of rogue dictators by Russia and China (who are bound by a “friendship treaty” that amounts to a military alliance). These items are parts in a larger whole, even if American analysts refuse to see a work in progress.

China’s war preparations are deliberate, and the implications should not be passed over lightly. China is a highly secretive country, like all communist countries. The objective of communism is world revolution, the overthrow of global capitalism, the destruction of the free market, the elimination of the international bourgeoisie and the disarming of the United States. We should be puzzled, indeed, if Chinese policy did not follow the communist line (however deviously). Given all this, it is difficult to account for the dismissive attitude of U.S. intelligence experts when regarding Chinese intentions. The China problem is a serious one. “The people … of the countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America should unite,” said Chairman Mao in 1964. “The people of all continents should unite … and so form the broadest united front to oppose the U.S. imperialist policies of aggression and war and to defend world peace.”

In terms of today’s peace movement, Mao’s sentiments are up-to-date. They are, I think, a founding inspiration. The supposed “death of communism” may have eliminated a few soiled terms, but not the main idea. The label on old hatreds may be changed, but the content remains the same. And because America is asleep, and the market is buzzing with Chinese goods, the U.S. government has turned a blind eye. The truth about China is worse than inconvenient. It is painful. So a special context has been devised for dismissing inconvenient facts. This context is inculcated at graduate schools, think tanks and in government. The context for understanding international affairs must not admit the existence of a coordinated, secretive and dangerous combination of countries motivated to overthrow the United States. In other words, the existence of a “communist bloc” cannot be admitted. And China’s role within this bloc – above all – must be rated as a “crackpot notion.” And yet, the existence of something identical to the old communist bloc – whatever we choose to call it – is indicated by actions across the board by Russia, the East European satellite countries, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and China.

Some ideas fall from fashion. But truth is always true, fashion or not. U.S. experts failed to connect the dots regarding China’s development of a long-range cruise missile, a new attack submarine, new ground-to-air missiles, a new anti-ship missile (for sinking U.S. aircraft carriers) and more. China is preparing for war against the United States, specifically. As absurd as it sounds to the economic optimists who think trade with China guarantees peace, the U.S. and China are bound to collide. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn’t have a sense of history, doesn’t understand communist thinking or the overall policy Beijing has consistently followed since 1949. Communist countries periodically experiment with capitalism, they always seek trade with the West, and they always sink the money and technology they gain thereby into a military buildup. Ultimately, they don’t care about the prosperity of their people, the state of the national infrastructure, personal or press freedom.

Some believe that we mustn’t say that China is a threat. Such a statement would be akin to self-fulfilling prophecy. But an honest appreciation of Chinese actions should not be disallowed by an appeasing diplomacy or wishful thinking. The job of the analyst is not to guarantee good relations with countries that are preparing for destructive war. The job of the analyst is to see war preparations, diplomatic maneuvers and economic policies and draw a common sense conclusion about them. If world peace depends on hiding China’s military buildup, then world peace is like your fat uncle dressed in a Santa Claus suit. Saying it’s your fat uncle may ruin Christmas for your little sister, but Santa Claus isn’t a real person – and never will be.

On June 27 we read another Washington Times article by Bill Gertz: “Beijing devoted to weakening ‘enemy’ U.S., defector says.” According to Gertz, a former Chinese diplomat named Chen Yonglin says that top Chinese officials consider the United States to be “the largest enemy, the major strategic rival” of China. There is no reason to doubt Mr. Chen’s testimony. He is doubtless telling the truth, which helps to explain China’s rapid military buildup. Chen’s statement underscores a certain lack of symmetry between Beijing and Washington. Top U.S. officials do not consider China to be America’s largest enemy or major strategic rival. Instead, China is viewed as a major trading partner, and U.S. economic interests generally prefer the appeasement of China. Consequently, you will not find the U.S. Congress cutting off favored trading status for China. The White House has carefully avoided any hint that China is considered an “enemy country.” Growing Chinese involvement in Latin America is not viewed with alarm. Politicians refuse to acknowledge that China is building a military alliance with Russia, Cuba, Iran and others.

Gertz further tells us that China is engaged in a massive military intelligence-gathering operation against the United States. Chinese agents are working day and night to monitor its enemies as well as Chinese nationals living abroad. Chinese agents are working to influence the military, trade and foreign policies of key countries like Australia, Canada and the United States. China is playing a game of “divide and conquer,” seeking to drive a wedge between America and its traditional allies. In fact, Beijing’s influence operations are so successful that Chinese diplomat Chen’s request for political asylum in Australia was turned down by the Australian government. The Chinese penetration of Canada has been outlined by a joint RCMP-CSIS report titled Sidewinder. According to this report, “Hand in hand with their ethnicity and their commercial obligations, the financial network of the Chinese entrepreneurs associated to the organized crime and to the power in Beijing has grown exponentially and very rapidly in Canada. Their influence over local, provincial and national political leaders has also increased. In the game of influence, several of these important Chinese entrepreneurs have associated themselves with prestigious and influential Canadian politicians, offering them positions on their boards of directors. Many of those companies are China’s national companies."

It is difficult for an open democratic society to counter such methods. Those who believe that China is democratizing, by way of capitalism, will be disappointed. Diplomatic defector Chen told the Washington Times that the ruling Communist Party of China has not changed or softened its Marxist-Leninist views. China’s swing toward capitalism is a tactic for building communist military power, not a foundation for Chinese democracy. Americans who invest in China have made a foolish bargain.

In a two-part series by Gertz (see Chinese Dragon Awakens) we find that China could be ready for war in two years. China has developed advanced weapons systems through the theft of U.S. technology. America appears unable to secure its military secrets. The attitude of Americans – in government as well as in the private sector – may be characterized as unwary, sleepy or downright sloppy. The Chinese have not only stolen the secret of America’s most advanced nuclear warhead, they have also stolen the secret of our Aegis anti-air weapon system. In a war with China U.S. servicemen will be killed by U.S. technology in Chinese hands.

Groundbreaking stories by Bill Gertz, published in the Washington Times, are routinely dismissed or ignored by analysts in and out of government. Four years ago I met a STRATFOR analyst at a conference who turned his nose up at the many stories broken by Bill Gertz. But what about Gertz’s inside sources, his track record of accurate reporting? “No, no,” said the STRATFOR analyst, “the Washington Times is owned by the Moonies.” In other words, we should judge the reporter by the owner of the paper. The Unification Church of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon owns America’s most prestigious conservative newspaper. This fact, however, doesn’t discredit the Washington Times or Bill Gertz any more than the religious affiliation (or atheism) of other newspaper owners. Every owner of every newspaper has a point of view. The owner’s point of view doesn’t negate the truth of Chinese defector testimony or secret U.S. government reports. Where point of view comes into the picture is in the choice of what is news, which facts are pertinent and what context to frame them in. In these choices the Washington Times is not mistaken, and those who ignore the facts are merely cultists in their own right – their minds as closed and bigoted as any that may be found in this or any age.

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by Alexandra Gritskova, St. Petersburg; Konstantin Lantratov
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Photo: The 4th generation diesel-electrical submarine St. Petersburg is exhibited at the international naval show IMDS-2005. (ITAR-TASS)

Yesterday the Second International Naval Show (IMDS-2005) finished its work in St. Petersburg. During its course there were negotiations about new shipments of naval military equipment to China and Mexico, and about the refurbishing Iranian submarines.

On the show about 300 Russian defense companies demonstrated their production ready for export. In the Sea Station pier, the visitors were able to examine ships from the Russian Navy. For a first time on the show was a demonstration of the Russian submarine of new generation “Sankt-Petersburg” Project 677 “Lada”, which the state company Admiralty Shipyards finishing for Russian Navy. The export version of this sub –Project 1650 “Amur”- the Admiralty Shipyards was offering to India for sale. However, Indian Navy preferred to buy six French subs Scorpene and currently finalizing the negotiations of the deal that amounts to $1.8-2 billion.

However, Admiralty Shipyards signed contracts with India and China to supply parts for the diesel-electric submarines of Project 877EKM and their modernized version of Project 636 that were sold to these countries earlier. Each contract is appraised at about $1 million. The Indian Navel force has 10 submarines of Project 877EKM and two more would be shipped this year directly from the Russian navy. China has two subs of Project 877EKM and two of Project 636. From last year, the Chinese navy also started to receive new subs of Project 636 that according to a contract from 2002 will amount to eight submarines worth $1.4 billion.

The St. Petersburg shipbuilding company Almaz was negotiating with representatives of the Chinese defense ministry. Before the end of the year, they hoped to sign a contract for the building of two Zubr Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft (CMSTS) of Project 1232.2 with options for several more such ships. Each craft costs more than $60 million. And the corporation Concern of Middle and Small Tonnage Shipbuilding until the end of the year plans to strike an agreement with Mexico for not less than two patrol cutters of Project 14310 Mirage. “Cameroon is also interested to buy Cutter of the Project 12150 Mongoose. Within several months they are ready to sign a contract for up to 10 Mongooses,” Valentine Lyashenko, deputy director of CMSTS told Kommersant.

Moreover, Kommersant found out that Rosoboronexport is negotiating with Iran about repair and modernization of Iranian submarines. Iran has three submarines of Project 877EKM that were supplied by Russia in 1992 (Russian name of the sub B-219, Iranian—901 Tareq), in June 1993 (B-224, 902 Noor) and in November 1996 (B-175, 903 Yunes). It was expected that all the major components that already exceeded their life expectancy will be replaced. Also, the new anti-ship missile complex Club-S with the target distance of 200 km will be installed on these subs. The refurbishing of each sub would be done under the contract which costs anywhere from $80 to $90 million. Originally it was expected that the refurbishing will be done in Zvezdochka Co (Severo-Dvinsk) but Admiralty Shipyards are also fighting for the contract.

Vladimir Pakhomov, deputy director general of Rosoboronexport, stated in the IMDS-2005 show that naval ships and systems this year will take first place among all Russian weapons exports and according to him the company is planning to export production of the military use for $5.1 billion from which 51 percent will be military naval equipment. Last year, Rosoboronexport exported weapons valued at $5.12 billion, from which only 24 percent were represented by naval production.


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China, Russia push for U.S exit from Central Asia

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ASTANA, Kazakhstan - A regional alliance led by China and Russia called today for the United States and its allies in Afghanistan to set a date for withdrawing from several states in Central Asia, reflecting growing unease at the U.S. military presence in the region.

The Shanghai Co-operation Organization, which groups Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, urged a deadline be set for withdrawal of foreign forces from its member states in light of what it said is a decline in active fighting in Afghanistan.

The alliance's move appeared to be an attempt to push the United States out of a region Russia regards as historically part of its sphere of influence and in which China seeks a dominant role because of its extensive energy resources.

The United States rejected the call for a deadline. U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the military presence "is determined by the terms of our bilateral agreements, under which both countries have concluded that there is a benefit to both sides from our activities."

At the U.S. Defence Department, spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said regarding U.S. bases in Uzbekistan: "It's a decision the Uzbek government has to make as to whether or not we would continue to operate from that."

U.S-led military forces have been deployed at air bases in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States to back up the anti-terrorist campaign in neighbouring Afghanistan.

The military said Uzbekistan hosts at least 800 U.S. troops, while 1,200 U.S.-led troops are in Kyrgyzstan.

Tajikistan has allowed the French air force to use Dushanbe airport since 2001 as a base for logistical support to its troops in Afghanistan. Some 200 French air force personnel are based there.

"We support and will support the international coalition, which is carrying out an anti-terror campaign in Afghanistan and we have taken note of the progress made in the effort to stabilize the situation," the Shanhai Co-operation Organization said in a declaration at a summit in the Kazakh capital.

"As the active military phase in the anti-terror operation in Afghanistan is nearing completion, the SCO would like the coalition's members to decide on the deadline for the use of the temporary infrastructure and for their military contingents' presence in those countries," it said.

A Russian foreign policy adviser, Sergei Prikhodko, said the group had not demanded an immediate withdrawal. But he added it is ``important for the SCO members to know when the (U.S.) troops will go home."

Russia did not object when Uzbeks and Kyrgyz agreed to host U.S. troops.

However, Russia's suspicion of the West has increased recently amid speculation the United States is encouraging the overthrow of Central Asia's pro-Russian governments.

Earlier Tuesday, SCO leaders accused unnamed outside forces of trying to destabilize Central Asia.

The summit followed a violently suppressed uprising in eastern Uzbekistan in May and turmoil in Kyrgyzstan in March when demonstrators stormed the administration's offices and sent the president fleeing into exile.

Chinese leader Hu Jintao said at the summit he believes "the fate of Central Asian countries is in their own hands and they are wise and capable enough to sort out their domestic problems on their own."

The leaders promised to step up security co-operation in the region.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said "new regional threats are of a transborder nature...There are people who place orders and execute them. Our task is to find them and render them harmless and also to prevent their activity."

Islam Karimov, president of Uzbekistan, said some outside forces are joining radical Islamists "to create instability and undermine the region economically in order to impose their own development model."

Uzbekistan was widely denounced abroad for the harsh suppression of the May uprising in the city Andijan - in which Uzbek authorities said 176 people died but rights activists said as many as 750 may have been killed.

Karimov put restrictions on the U.S air base in Uzbekistan after Washington joined calls by other western countries for an international inquiry into the Andijan massacre.

However, Russia and China expressed support for Uzbek authorities at the time.

Iran, India and Pakistan joined the SCO on Tuesday as observers. If they become fully fledged members, the group will represent one-half the world's population.

Russia, in particular in recent years, has pushed for what it calls a "multipolar" world, seeking to balance U.S. domination of foreign policy issues.




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What will China gain from an attack on the U.S.Our natural resources are small,they have bought or stolen most of our latest technologies.They don't need any more slaves.????
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PostThu Jul 07, 2005 2:51 am  Reply with quote  

Elimination of a rival consumer, simple.
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PostThu Jul 07, 2005 11:47 am  Reply with quote  


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Elimination of a rival consumer, simple.


Exactly!


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Our natural resources are small


But we use up other countries resources by making them slaves to us through debt. We lend them money that we know they'll never be able to pay back and then take advantage of their natural resources as a method of payback for these debts. When that's not possible we just invade.

This is why we are a target.


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"we are quickly outgrowing the ability to feed ourselves." He pointed out that the US makes up five percent of the world's population, but we use up 30 percent of the world's energy resources.



And China looks as if it will soon surpass us in usage of the resources.. They're also well aware of the strategic reasons for our occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Right now the two countries are in a battle to control the world's oil supplies. They view the US as an impediment to their own plans of world control.
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PostFri Jul 08, 2005 6:26 pm  Reply with quote  

Mind blowing

China to go to the Colorado Rockies?


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Canada's EnCana is considering bringing in Chinese companies to construct and operate drilling rigs in the Colorado Rockies as the region struggles to keep up with demand and rising energy prices.



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EnCana, a major player in the Piceance Basin of western Colorado, said Chinese workers are cheaper and better educated.



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EnCana is also considering constructing the rigs in China and then importing them along with the Chinese workers to the United States.



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Although China's increased active participation in the U.S. oil and gas industry is prickly in Washington right now, Boras said that because Chinese companies would be filling a void that is in dire need, U.S. policymakers would concede on this one.

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PostFri Jul 08, 2005 6:59 pm  Reply with quote  

wtf?!
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PostThu Jul 14, 2005 7:54 pm  Reply with quote  

http://www.rense.com/general67/RUSC.HTM

Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that both President Putin (Russia) and President Hu (China) have ordered the immediate activation of 10 Combat Ready Divisions to counter the increasingly aggressive moves being made by the United States in the Caspian Oil Regions of Central Asia. Special Forces Army Units of both Russian Spetsnaz and Chinese Immediate Action Units were also ordered to be immediately deployed to both Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan to surround the large American Military bases in those regions, and that the governments of both of these countries have ordered the Americans to leave.
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