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TheXPig
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What the heck is this?
 Wed Nov 28, 2001 11:55 am
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Does anyone have any idea what the heck that sweep is that runs north to south in this sat. shot?
Notice how it just sits there...(note: this one is animated)
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amber
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Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:04 pm
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Hi XPig 
Could it be where two sat pics have been joined? |
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TheXPig
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Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:46 pm
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Hiya Amber,
I suppose it could be. Stranger things have happened. |
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rainheart
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Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:37 pm
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Because it runs through Afghanistan and Pakistan, I wonder if it is somehow related to the war there?
hmmm |
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mark sky
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Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:02 pm
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That is very strange, I don't think it is an artifact of imaging as they are usually small and comntinue across the whole screen usually in the east west. This, and also look at the southern tip of India< does seem to remain stationary while other clouds move generally toward the east north east
It could be that they are at a higher elevation where there are no wind currents?
or perhaps held by a Harrp like force? |
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mark sky
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Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:19 pm
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Also notice the slight curve in the north south "cloud"
Satelitte images do not have curved "joints" where images join together.
But as i look more at the series of images, i notice also the east west "cloud" heading TO the pakastani~afganistani area
FROM egypt~saudi arabia~southern iraq.
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Anne
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Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:21 am
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I have been watching satellite pics for a long time now and have now seen anything like this, Mark. It is interesting that it also over the water mass nearby. I wonder if it is beamed out there for some type of communication set up or monitoring beam. Interesting to imagine what it could be. It is probably there due to the war. |
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Scanner
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Thu Nov 29, 2001 3:36 pm
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Dunno what it is, but it looks kinda like the Lasco C3 image of the sun for 11/26 at 4:18. The Lasco image has two lines instead of one. Interesting. Cyberspace Orbit has the image on their site.
Scanner
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penumbra
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Thu Nov 29, 2001 5:31 pm
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Scanner, I thought that too at first. But after watching the animated picture, it seems more like a "cloud" that something is holding in place.? |
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Scanner
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Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:15 pm
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The sun thing was on a different day so apparently unrelated to the satellite image. Both of the occurances are unusual, though. I've followed the Lasco images a long time and never seen anything like that before. I only check the satellite images occasionaly, but haven't observed anything similar to this. Very odd.
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Scanner
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Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:13 pm
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I sent the following to SOHO:
What caused those lines that showed up on Lasco C3 on 11/26 at around 4:00? Just curious.
I received the following reply:
We call this a simple 'debris' image. Most of the rubish is
unidentifiable. If there is large movement such as severe repointing of
an instrument or opening of spring loaded instrument doors we will see
debris pass the camera such as small particles of insulation sheeting
covering SOHO. In this case there was none of that to speak of. The debris
seen was also very close to the SOHO spacecraft due to the width of the
streak. We may have caught a passing object (although very small) in the
19 second exposure which streaked the images.
You can see the listing of previous debris images at:
http://lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil/debris.html
Thanks for the question.
Kevin Schenk
SOHO Mission
EIT and LASCO Operations
NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center, USA
Soooo...maybe XPig's satellite picture is more of the same? If you go to the link they gave me you can see lots of other images that have these streaks.
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Anne
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:53 am
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I can understand debris, etc., but look where this "unknown" is over. I would say something else is going on. |
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TheXPig
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:58 am
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The location of this anomaly is what initially got me. The fact that it is still there, 2 days later, just strikes me as plain odd. The images I put in the first post are being updated every 4 to 6 hours thru accuweather.com . Tonight I am going to send some time look at some other sat. pics and see if anything else like this shows up anywhere.
I'll let everyone know what I find.
TXP |
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TheXPig
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:44 am
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Okay, here's what I have found...
This first sat. pic is of Europe, where the band should also be, but is not.
This second sat. pic is of Asia, including Afghanistan, and it does show the band.
This third is primarily of Afghanistan, and does not show the band.
This last is from India, and from a different satellite. It does not show the band.
Now what do y'all think?
TXP
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amber
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:47 am
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Found this link on Rense, thought it may be relevant..it talks of HAARP further down the article.
JEFF RICHELSON, an intelligence historian who works with the National Security Archive, says the United States has long been interested in looking underground and has put several systems to use over the years:
Spy satellites and spy planes that look for construction equipment and slight variations in ground temperatures, which can indicate the presence of structural elements like shafts, entrances and even communication links.
Seismic stations that listen for explosions associated with construction.
Ground sensors planted covertly by special operations forces and spies near suspected sites to monitor heat and sound from underground.
There have been a number of successes — for example, massive Soviet underground hideouts were discovered in 1971 by enhancing spy satellite pictures. But locating an underground structure and imaging it are two different things.
Richelson, author of “The Wizards of Langley,” a new book on spy technology, believes that two experimental spy satellites launched several years ago — code-named Cobra Brass and Misty — were used to further enhance U.S. detection capabilities. Moreover, newer versions of the CIA’s workhorse KH-11 spy satellites may have upgraded capabilities. Richelson said the advanced KH-11 is almost certainly involved in the effort to locate caves used by bin Laden and the Taliban.
Richelson noted that two key multispectral technologies would be particularly useful for tracking caves: infrared and thermal imaging.
“Infrared looks for reflected heat. Thermal looks for heat generated by the object,” he said. “The advanced KH-11 has had some capabilities in these areas since 1992. Whether that capability has been significantly upgraded is classified.”
Another tool the United States could find helpful in pinpointing caves is the Predator unmanned aerial vehicle, which has already been used to track Taliban and al-Qaida movements.
The Predator, say imaging experts, is ideal for tracking heat sources because it has both infrared and thermal imaging capabilities, plus the ability to hover for hours above a suspect site.
A senior U.S. official would neither confirm nor deny the aerial vehicle’s usefulness, saying only that the Predator “has a variety of imaging capabilities.”
HAARP IN THE HUNT
Meanwhile, the United States has been spending millions of dollars on two above-ground stations that use experimental technology to find underground complexes. The stations are both in Alaska — one near Gokana, 180 miles east-northeast of Anchorage, and the other west of Fairbanks. Over the past five years, the government has spent $70 million on the technology.
Of the two sites, the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Project near Gulkana, known by the acronym HAARP, is the most advanced. Run by the Office of Naval Research and the Air Force’s Phillips Laboratory with help from the University of Alaska, HAARP has been operating for seven years, first under secrecy then more recently in the open. And it has not been without controversy.
Using 72 180-foot antennae set on a 33-acre gravel pad, HAARP heats — some would say it boils — the ionosphere to create a “mirror” so that Extremely LongFrequency/Very Long Frequency radio waves can bounce off and penetrate the Earth. By measuring anomalies in the return signal, the military has had some success in creating “images” of underground facilities, including human-made tunnels and natural cavities. Once identified, tunnel entrances can be more easily spotted by satellites or spy planes, communications from the complexes can be more easily intercepted by antennae in space or on the ground, and underground facilities can be more easily targeted.
Such signals, according to the HAARP Web site, “can penetrate deeply beneath the surface and interact with the geological structure of the Earth. ... The research called for in this effort is to assess the viability of exploiting the concept of electromagnetic induction to detect and image subterranean features such as tunnels, bunkers and other potential military targets.”
Officials have said the detection of underground facilities was a byproduct of the main research mission of the project — “simulating the aurora borealis to determine how we can compensate for its effects on our satellites,” as one official put it. HAARP has also become a favorite of conspiracy theorists who see it as a “death ray,” a means of “mind control” on a massive scale and a phenomenon responsible for widespread buzzing sounds heard in Germany and during Turkish earthquakes.
MORE POWER
Just a week before the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Office of Naval Research announced that it was negotiating with a Washington contractor, Advanced Power Technologies Inc., to enhance the system and bring it to full power. HAARP has been running at about one-quarter of its planned power.
It is not known if HAARP has been used in the hunt for bin Laden’s caves, and attempts to reach Advanced Power Technologies were fruitless.
However, its Web site describes HAARP’s capabilities this way: “The (VLF/ELF) signals are useful for communications with land forces and submarines and, because they have great penetration range, for the investigation of subterranean formations or structures.”
Advanced Power Technologies also advertises that it has a full range of hyperspectral cameras and data-processing technology along with global ground tomography technology, which it describes as “characterization of underground structures.”
That means the company could easily combine HAARP’s ability to find underground structures with its own ability to find minute gradations in ground temperatures.
Although U.S. officials declined to say whether HAARP or other similar technologies were being used, they noted that looking for bin Laden was an “all-source intelligence effort.”
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