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BigJoe
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I believe I saw one of these huge types of "trails" over land, some three years ago. During the summer of 2002, while heading home from New York City... west on RT. 17 in the Southeren Tier Region of New York State, we approached the city of Corning, New York. There we noticed a series of freshly laid trails, all on the north/south heading. Proceeding west on Route 17, between Corning and Bath, New York, a distance of some 15 miles, we counted between 35-40 more of these trails... all closely bunched together in those 15 miles. At this point some of these trails were beginning to merge together into one HUGE trail. Then, proceeding north, back to Rochester, New York on interstate 390, we pretty much paralled this huge trail as far north as Dansville, New York, where it veered away from us, heading northeast. Shortly after, upon reaching home, we checked out the latest updated satellite images, and noticed a single, HUGE trail, that was very similiar to those posted in the above photos, stretching pretty much from the Canadian Border near Masena, New York, all the way down to Southern New Jersey. As I mentioned, this huge trail was very similiar to all of those in the above photos, and if I hadn't actually seen it shortly after it was sprayed, I never would have suspected that this MASSIVE trail, some 15-25 miles wide, stretching for around 500+ miles, was composed of some 35-40 "normal" chemtrails. I watched this thing for the next several hours on the satellite images as they updated, and what I found very surprising was that although it drifted a little to the south over those few hours until darkness overspread that region of the planet, this thing remained surprisingly stationary over the original regions that it had been sprayed. And by the way... all of these trails were sprayed unusually low, I've NEVER seen chemtrails sprayed this low before... many on the same level as the local cumulus clouds, seem even well below them in altitude!
The only other time I saw something similiar was a satellite image that I observed three years ago. It was a massive "swath", once again very similiar to the images Mark and ET have posted above. This huge swath stretched from extreme southwestern New York State, up through Central New York, through the Adirondack Region, over lake Champlain, across the Green Mountains, the Northern White Mountains and on into the wilds of Maine, where it ended over central Maine. Once again, this HUGE trail was very similiar in appearance to those huge trails over the Pacific. And there was absolutely NO DOUBT, from viewing this thing, that it was artificial in nature. Nature just does NOT create straight lines like this!!! So what did I do with this image? I emailed it to all three of our local top TV weather shills, I even talked to them also, and they all told me that this was natural. One of them even said that this massive trail was nothing more than low level alto stratus clouds!!! Interestingly, it was after that incident that I realized without a doubt that our weather forecasters were either under a very serious delusion, which involved severe hallucinating, or were lying to us outright. Somehow I suspected the latter.
IMHO... I believe these trails over the Pacific Ocean are composed of many chemtrails, probably anywhere from between 30-50, that have all been sprayed together, at the same time, and have all quickly merged into one HUGE, MASSIVE trail covering large areas of the Pacific Ocean. And from sea level, they just look like a massive bank of approaching clouds. And to carry this theory just a little bit further, I don't think that they do this over land that often because anywhere from 30-50 jets, all flying pretty much together and in the same direction, and creating a huge trail behind them would definately draw attention, and very likey concern and perhaps even panic. |
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Et in Arcadia ego
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Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:20 pm
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Ok, Joe, then why do they all converge to a point the way they do? They appear to come from a single object. They could possibly be re-inforced afterwards further back as I have seen that with my own eyes, but the forward tail is very sharp & defined in all that are visible.
Chemtrails are not.
I don't know what it is, honestly..You know how chemtrails work; there's lateral bleed along it's axis giving that hair or spine appearance. These trails are almost static & don't do that even over a period of days. If these were mega-chemtrails, I'd imagine the bleed would be significant enough to cover a significant part of the western US..Even if it was larger it should follow the same dynamics of more 'normal'(  it's obscene just saying that..) chemtrails. What is the benefit of having that much material distributed if it doesn't dissipate & blanket?
Not trying to argue anyone down, just some things here rebel against my understanding of things. 'Understanding' is such a useless word these days..
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Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:49 pm
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ET... You make some excellent points here... and all of them valid...
What I said in my above posting was just a guess... I could very well be wrong on my assumptions... I don't deny this.
And you could very well be right... what you say above all makes perfect sense to me.
To be totally honest, I too have absolutely NO IDEA what these massive trails are... even though I now see them just about every day on the satellite images.
This is massive pollution on a truely global scale, and whatever these huge trails are... the one thing I know for a certainty is that they shouldn't be there. What these images reveal is an ongoing, massive ecological crime, presently being conducted on a planetary scale. |
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I just spent the last hour going through the 27 pages of archives that Thermit put together for us. I did not find the 1999~2000 era original Pacific Ship Trails thread I was looking for, niether did I find the June 9th 1999 photos of a Very Wide and low 1000' ship trail that blew in off the ocean. I did find this 2003 shiptrail link http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001841.html
but that is not the original one. I also found out that Thermits archive list is not in cronological order, as very old posts are on page 1 and page 27.
The links that Increase 1776 posted are not the originals either. I would like to find the original post as it had calculations and good discussion of what was going on. |
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:19 am
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http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/sitemap-1.html Not sure if this helps,but here it is.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:32 pm
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Steamships are back in full force. http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satellite/ ..Scroll down below the map of the U.S. and click on Northwest visible or N.Calif. visible .Looks like an Armada of ships are coming in from China.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:00 pm
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Good catch, increase. This would have been impossible to see on nearly any other satalitte image right now. These tracks really DO seems to at least originate on the ocean's surface, and there's something described as a global warming mitigation technique proposed in the Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base (1992) report from the NAS:
http://books.nap.edu/books/0309043867/html/433.html
It could be they're also doing experiments like what was suggested in this month's popular science where they're simply pushing up sea-water to increase cloud cover and not using dangerous chemicals at all, which would be a relief for me, if so..
Either way, I never see tracks like that in the Atlantic ever..but I really doubt it's a Chinese fleet, as these tracks have been going on now for a few years that we can look back and observe right up the coastline of California.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:16 pm
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"Either way, I never see tracks like that in the Atlantic ever..but I really doubt it's a Chinese fleet, as these tracks have been going on now for a few years that we can look back and observe right up the coastline of California." Joking about the Chinese armada. Still,why would a college educated weatherperson try to explain these off as steamship trails? Why the false front? If nothing sinister is going on,tell us the Truth.Last time I checked, we're all grownups,we can handle the truth.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:46 pm
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I agree. From the mitigation report, page 460:
"The ships can distribute material across the lane by towing hoses spread away from the ship with paravanes, a well-known minesweeping technology."
That's as close to an answer as I have come to describe what I have seen in the pacific. It doesn't mean that's what they're actually doing, but this was suggested as a feasible mitigation technique as far back as 1992.
I don't think we're looking at the acts of evil depraved madmen, I think it's always been an issue of trust, and in this case it would seem that the confidence of government in the people to effectively accept what seems to be taking place is very low, and that has to be examined at some point.
So what role did WE play in the decayed relationship between ourselves & our leaders that we see today?
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BigJoe
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:02 pm
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Yep... they're really going to town out there today...
One of the worst ones that I've seen in quite some time!!!
Good catch, guys! |
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