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I could care less what religion a politician is or what he does in his bedroom...but he/she better DAMN WELL abide by the CONSTITUTION..100%.


That's exactly true and yet instead we see the overpowering influence and direct effects of religion on our rights and personal lives in numerous areas both on the federal and state level. Here are just a few areas in which religion is either directly, or indirectly related to imposing upon our daily activities and freedoms throughout history and up until today. It's a critical ongoing social/culture war that may never end.

The push for displaying the Ten Commandments on government property, abortion and women's rights, gay marriage and gay rights, the push for laws that would allow doctors to refuse to treat a patient simply based on religious grounds as well as the right for pharmacists to be able to refuse the filling out of prescriptions for the same fundamentalist reasons, many holidays such as Christmas are inherently religiously oriented, the push for censorship of the Internet, television, radio and other forms of media based on religious "moral" values (Janet Jackson's breast), blue laws: "A law designed to regulate commercial business on Sunday" or Sabbath laws, prayer in schools, pornography, wars for religious causes such as the Crusades and now a Christian president that invokes the name of God to justify the illegal invasions of sovereign countries, sex education, the teaching of abstinence and being against supplying contraceptive protection for minors, attacks on the sciences and evolution in particular, gambling being labeled "immoral", Tennessee just recently broke free of the Christian death grip on preventing having a state lottery, church sanctioned boycotts against certain business's or people classified as being "immoral".

As you can see, the list is endless and everyday yet another right disappears because of one groups desire to legislate and impose their reality on to society as a whole without contention. Secular people as well as those of differing religions have rights as well yet you wouldn't know it if you looked at the trends that have developed over the years. And worst of all, you have networks like Fox news that attempt to depict the exact opposite as happening by declaring that we're seeing a liberal, secular attack on religion when all these people are really demanding is the recognition of the rights that the constitution is supposed to protect for them. What we see now is Bush appointing the most extreme, Christian right justices to the Supreme Court which will surely ultimately only lead to the further regression of separation of church and state in the US. If the decline continues at its current place we may very well see ourselves erode in to an Iran-like Theocratic country just like Israel is quickly beginning to turn in to.
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Couple with 'Druid Thing' bumper sticker say Christian officer violated civil rights
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A traffic stop in Greer, S.C., this month is turning into a holy war of sorts, as a practicing Druid couple claim they were targeted by a Christian police officer who tried to convert them away from their pagan belief.

Debra and Tony Gainey say they were pulled over because they had a bumper sticker reading "It's A Druid Thing."


Druid couple believe this bumper sticker prompted traffic stop

Tony Gainey was driving at the time of the stop June 10 and was taken into custody on charges of driving with a suspended license, operating a vehicle with an improper tag and failure to have proof of insurance.

"The reason they were stopped was the tag was improper on the vehicle," Greer police Lt. Cris Varner told WHNS-TV.

But Debra Gainey, a minister at the local Emerald Sanctuary Druidic Church, believes it was the druid sticker that prompted the traffic stop, as evinced by the conversation with officer Tony Stewart.

"[Stewart said], 'Did those bumper stickers come on the car or did you put them on?' and I said I put them on," Debra said.

She says the officer asked if she knew what they meant.

"So he started talking to me about God and Jesus Christ. ... I just felt like he was really getting into it, I had never expected to actually follow-up with a letter or anything."

According to Mrs. Gainey, the officer sent a card and letter to her home address days later.

"In this letter, he promises our problems will continue unless we listen to the words of the Baptists," she told the station. "We're feeling like those are threats."

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"It's just kind of flabbergasting to be told that because it says Druid that we were singled out," she continued. "I don't think it's a matter of his religion or my religion, it's a matter of violation of our Constitution and trying to take that away our freedom that we are guaranteed."

The Gaineys have filed a civil-rights complaint, and the matter is now under investigation.

"The issue is the stop," police chief Dan Reynolds told the Greenville News. "Did they stop them because of the stickers? That's what we're trying to determine in our investigation. What was the reason for the stop?"







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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Two women who gave their life savings to an apocalyptic religious group will get a new trial on their terms, the Utah Court of Appeals decided Friday.

Kaziah Hancock and Cindy Stewart sued leaders of a polygamous church for failing to make good on promises they'd get land, some money back and a face-to-face visit with Jesus. The promises were made in return for their contributions to The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of The Last Days.
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The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days is polygamous sect of Mormonism. Led by James D. Harmston, who claims to have been ordained by Moses. His followers consider him to be the reincarnation of Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon Church). TLC can be considered a cult of Mormonism, from which it is derived, while Mormonism itself is a cult of Christianity.

A jury awarded the women $300,000 in 2002, but 6th District Judge David Mower threw out the verdict after determining he was unable to decide how to divide the damages among church founder James D. Harmston and a dozen other officials from the Manti church, some identified only as ''John Does'' in the lawsuit.

Mower ordered a new trial, then limited the women's legal claims against the church to breach of contract and unjust enrichment - throwing out other claims including fraud, conspiracy and racketeering against church defendants.

The Court of Appeals said the judge was wrong to limit the claims and sent the case back for a new trial on the full complaint.

''These are women who gave their life earnings for some very substantial promises,'' Clark R. Nielsen, an appeals lawyer for Hancock and Stewart, said Friday.

In court filings, Hancock complains her promise of a face-to-face meeting with Jesus went unfulfilled, although she is seeking compensation only for promises of land and financial support, Nielsen said.

Stewart was promised she'd be repaid for liquidating her retirement accounts early. Both were excommunicated from the church in 1997 before they could redeem any promises, court papers say.

Harmston's attorney, Kevin Bond, had argued that the promises were rooted in church doctrine, not a business contract that never was drafted. He said the promises were to be fulfilled by God, not Harmston.

TLC was founded in 1994 by Harmston after his excommunication from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

TLC, which preaches the practice of polygamy as one of its tenets, made news in 2002 after posting a declaration on its Web site that the end world was at hand and only its church members would survive.


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There's no need to place bets. This is the advocated Messiah for the Globalists:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/03/day-of-declaration.html


He'll be on the radio tonight. I'm going to listen and see what he says just for the fun of it.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/08/04.html


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Benjamin Creme, the official spokesperson for the "world teacher" Maitreya, will reveal new information about the life of Maitreya and prophecies for the future.


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I'd definately add some deep reverb to that creep.

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Benjamin Creme, the official spokesperson for the "world teacher" Maitreya, appeared during the middle two hours of the program. Maitreya, he said, can make himself visible in any form, using "familiars" who become vehicles for his consciousness. In fact, Creme said that it was Maitreya's consciousness that worked through Jesus during his final three years leading up to the crucifixion. Maitreya, he added, also gave advice and instructions to Yasser Arafat, whom Creme characterized as a "great man."

In addition to Maitreya, there are 14 other spiritual "masters of wisdom" who have returned to the world, to assist humanity in moving from one cosmic cycle to the next, including Jesus, who is now located in Rome, said Creme. The other planets in our solar system are teeming with life, though it is on the etheric planes, he noted. UFOs are also made of this less dense, etheric matter but can become visible when they temporarily lower their rate of vibration in order to be seen, he explained.

We can evolve by becoming detached from our emotions, and recognizing that they have no more reality than dreams, Creme advised. He also advocated practicing honesty of mind and sincerity of spirit. In the final hour, Open Lines featured callers reacting to Creme's appearance.


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In addition to Maitreya, there are 14 other spiritual "masters of wisdom" who have returned to the world, to assist humanity in moving from one cosmic cycle to the next, including Jesus, who is now located in Rome, said Creme.



Oh come now..I wonder why he neglected to mention the fact that one of these 'Masters' is the original Lightbearer himself? Such modesty is unbecoming to a depraved f*cking lunatic..

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Not to toot my own horn or anything:




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I think that you're going to see more and more people either becoming secular or testing out more alternative approaches to spirituality and understanding life's wonders.


Religious belief 'falling faster than church attendance'


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Organised religion is in near-terminal decline in Britain because parents have only a 50-50 chance of passing on belief to their offspring, a study claimed yesterday.

By contrast, parents without faith are successful in producing a new generation of non-believers, it said.

The report identified institutional religion as having a "half-life" of one generation, as children are only half as likely as their parents to say that it is important in their lives.

The generational decline is too advanced to reverse, the report suggested, as the proportion of people who believe in God is declining faster than church attendance.

Dr David Voas, who oversaw the study at the University of Manchester, said religion would reach "fairly low levels" before very long.

"The dip in religious belief is not temporary or accidental, it is a generational phenomenon - the decline has continued year on year," he said. "The fact that children are only half as likely to believe as their parents indicates that, as a society, we are at an advanced stage of secularisation."

The findings appear to contradict the commonly accepted theory that people "believe without belonging" - the idea that religious belief is robust even though churchgoing is in longer-term decline.

According to the survey, which was based on 14 years of data from 10,500 households, the importance of belief in God fell by 5.3 per cent to 32.5 per cent between 1991 and 1999.

This compared with a fall of 3.5 per cent in the proportion of people who attended church services over the same period and a 2.9 per cent decrease in the proportion who said they were affiliated to a particular religion.

The Church of England reacted with disbelief at the suggestion that faith was declining, and said that parental influence was not the only factor in preserving inter-generational belief.

"There is an assumption that people 'catch' religion from their parents, but many people come to faith through the grandparents, schools, and their friends," said Steve Jenkins, a spokesman.

He said that the study had not released "proper evidence".

"There is nothing to back up the claims, and our recent statistics show that congregations are actually increasing, as is the number of ordinations." Last year 564 people were selected to become new clergy, the highest figure in six years. And congregations in 2003 had increased in size by 1 per cent.

But the National Secular Society, which has 3,000 paid-up members, welcomed the survey results.

"We find [belief] embarrassing as a country and it is time we accepted that," said Terry Sanderson, the vice president. "People may say they believe in Christianity but if you question them even slightly it becomes clear that they cannot accept the central tenets of its faith - they don't believe in its supernatural explanations."

The study, which used figures from the British Household Panel and British Social Attitudes surveys, found that parents had the greatest influence on children's beliefs, and that although a child with only one religious parent was half as likely to inherit their faith as a child with two religious parents, the decline could be slowed by the fact that religious parents tended to have more children.

The study also found generational decline evident throughout the Islamic and Jewish faiths, but from a much higher starting point.


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I think that you're going to see more and more people either becoming secular or testing out more alternative approaches to spirituality and understanding life's wonders.



Toot away, but it's called the Age of Aquarius, and it's been carefully orchestrated for a long time now..Here's a rather ignorant view of the process at work:

http://www.adishakti.org/age_of_aquarius.htm

"This Golden Age is destined to synthesize all religious regimes and free the minds of ignorance and delusion forever. Once enlightened, each human being will begin his or her individual journey within, and strive to become the new race of super conscious humans awakening seekers of Truth and the eternal Spirit, healing peoples of many tongues and nations in the process. In this new millennium there will be no more falsehoods or derision, but spiritual living and third-eye vision. "

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"You are probably familiar with the term New Age, and you may have heard or read about the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. This simply means that we are leaving one age (Pisces), and entering into a new one (Aquarius). This happens every two thousand years - the last one coinciding with the arrival of Christ.


Notice how it always seems to come back to Christ though? That's what the Brits seem to moving away from. I don't personally care if someone wants to worship their own sneakers, adorn it, pin it to the wall and call it God. It doesn't effect or threaten me until actual laws are being legislated based on the subjective core principles of such a believer. That's what's happening in this country with Christianity. The Brits are completely opposed to their public officials ranting about their own personal religious beliefs and they often refer to the US as an example of what can happen when religion and politics are inappropriately mixed. Just take a look at the condition of a country like Iran to see the consequences of such. The British are able to see what's happening from an outside perspective that's very different from our own as we've been immersed in it for years and incidentally take much of it for granted. I believe they see a theocracy, or at least a subtle derivative of one quickly forming here in the states and reject a similar outcome in their country.
That's the basic point of what I meant in my quote. I see that as a positive thing. All the article really says is that people aren't going to church much anymore and the country as a whole isn't falling apart as many fundamentalists would say could happen if "Godless Liberals" take over here in the US. Any kind of separation theology which creates sects, denominations, schism and the "us vs. them" mentality is never going to help society unite as a whole. What's wrong with just relating to one another as being simply humans instead of having to be labeled as being "this" or "that"? It only serves to magnify differences between people instead of promoting commonality. You can find these kinds of strong divisions even within Christianity itself as their own interpretations of the Bible vary from person to person and church to church. This is not and never will be a unifying force for humanity. A brief look at history can prove that. And the wars are always implemented because the governments have adopted the ideological doctrines as policy. Even Bush has referred to this current conflict in the Middle East a crusade. Not exactly an honorable point in history for us to emulate right now.

Bush- "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while".

Now, does this "Age of Aquarius" movement even have anything more than a modest following? Sure the idea might be loopy but I don't see anyone who has adopted such beliefs having much of an impact on our government and that's where my concern lies.
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Swampgas's post perfectly exemplifies what can happen when religion is allowed a foothold in to government and its military.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg87706.html#87706
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Bush- "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while".

Now, does this "Age of Aquarius" movement even have anything more than a modest following? Sure the idea might be loopy but I don't see anyone who has adopted such beliefs having much of an impact on our government and that's where my concern lies.


When you want to motivate a body, you address it with it's own cultural terms. His choice of this word says more about the target audiance than his own belief system.

Christains don't worship Moloch or revel in ancient forests, but most of our world leaders do every year..including Sr and Jr, as you are already aware.

So which group do you think is being lied to? The unwashed masses, or Bush's 'Base'?

And as far as the Age of Aquarius, if you want to guage it's impact, then examine Share International's NGO role at the UN..



Ask Gorbachev about the Aquarian movement..He'll tell you all about it.

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His choice of this word says more about the target audiance than his own belief system.


Right, Bush isn't a Christian himself at all, but he's certainly leading a majority of Christians astray that believe that he's truly one of them. I've got an experiment for you, go to a forum like Maverick's and try to tell them that Bush isn't a real Christian. It'll go over like a lead balloon I assure you. Been there, done that. And the philosophies at that forum are not at all unique amongst the Christian conservative inner circle as the article below demonstrates. And that's precisely the danger of being involved in any organized group/herd mentality. David Icke explains it well. Once you can get a hold of a large group of people that all rigidly believe in the basically the same thing, you're just begging for manipulation. The Bush administration uses wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage to make secular people out to be the "evil ones". Christians are made to feel that not supporting Bush makes them a bad Christian. They have Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to reinforce it as well. It's a very devious but calculated agenda of demagoguery using religion as its flashpoint. Just take a look at the polls, it works wonders and Rove damn well knows it.


Conservative Christians Biggest Backers of Iraq War


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Of the major religious groups in the United States, evangelical Christians are the biggest backers of Israel and Washington's planned war against Iraq, says a new survey released here Wednesday by a politically potent group of fundamentalist Christians and Jews.

Some 69 percent of conservative Christians favor military action against Baghdad; 10 percentage points more than the U.S. adult population as a whole.




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And almost two-thirds of evangelical Christians say they support Israeli actions towards ''Palestinian terrorism'', compared with 54 percent of the general population, according to the survey, which was released by Stand For Israel, a six-month-old spin-off of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews (IFCJ).

''The single strongest group for Israel in the United States, apart from Jews, is conservative Christians,'' declared Ralph Reed, co-chairman of Stand for Israel and former executive director of the Christian Coalition. He also noted that 80 percent of self-identified Republicans also favor military action against Baghdad.




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The survey, which included 1,200 respondents contacted last week, tends to confirm the findings of similar polls over the last several years that have shown strong support for Israel on the part of evangelical Christians, who together make up about one third of the U.S. adult population.

Historically apolitical, the group first came to the attention of the political elite in 1976 when large numbers of them helped elect Jimmy Carter, a ''born-again'' Christian. Disillusioned by Carter's liberal politics and social attitudes, they became a major recruiting ground for the ''New Right'' that in turn paved the way for the election in 1980 of former president Ronald Reagan.

At the same time, Christian fundamentalists were also avidly courted by the right-wing Likud government in Israel, which saw in them a promising new constituency that, for theological reasons, could be persuaded to oppose the return of Jerusalem and the West Bank to Arab rule.




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Asked which was the most important of four possible reasons why they supported Israel, 56 percent of fundamentalist Christian respondents chose political reasons, particularly Israel's democratic values, its alliance with the United States in the war against terrorism, and its role as a safe haven for persecuted Jews elsewhere. Thirty-five percent opted for the ''end-times'' option.

But when given a choice of four religious alternatives, only 28 percent cited the end-times alternative. Almost two thirds said that God had given the Jews the land of Israel as the main theological reason for backing the Jewish state.

''This survey bears out my view that Christians are trustworthy and vital allies,'' said Eckstein. ''I've seen more positive changes (in Jewish and conservative Christian relations) in the past six months than I have for the past 25 years,'' he added.

Along with announcing the survey results, Eckstein, who co-chairs Stand for Israel with Reed, unveiled a one-minute video which will be run in ''tens of thousands'' of churches with combined memberships of 3.2 million people on Sunday, Oct. 20, exhorting Christians to pray for Israel whose enemies, it says, ''are on the attack again''.

''God has promised that those who bless Israel will themselves be blessed,'' says the video, which is filled with recent images of violence in Israel and the West Bank.




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So which group do you think is being lied to? The unwashed masses, or Bush's 'Base'?



I think we're all being lied honestly to but I think I know what you're trying to say. I would say that both of those groupings are being lied to.

As far as the Age of Aquarius thing, I've never heard of it before so I'd have to read more about it to draw up a personal conclusion. As far as the government/religious influence comment I made regarding it I was speaking mostly about in this country so I'll concede that I know nothing of how the Aquarius thing might be, being used elsewhere.

But again, granting you what you're telling me, it's just another example of what can happen when a large group of people endorse one single religious/spiritual belief. You don't have to be affiliated with an actual church to be taken advantage of. I was just using the church as an example but the impact is the same. I still say that we don't need any of it.


These beliefs are personal to each individual and to me they're best suited to be kept that way. Not to be publicly announced as truth and then forced down the throats of others. If you then give military control to these types and as a means to enforce it you end up with what Swamp showed us, "forced ministries". Right now the Christian right control the presidency, the House, Senate and soon the Supreme Court. That scares the hell out of me!!!
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You know, this is when you get the Christian Patriot Movement, of which I have great sympathy in the way that they are trying to expose some levels of the conspiracy, but you know, I don't see much of a difference between an imposed culture and imposed thought through the Illuminati being replaced by an imposed thought through "one nation under God". Because when you say, "Well, whose God are we talking about here?" Their's, of course, is the Christian version of God. That's no more freedom than anything else. So, I find it sad that, even though "divide and rule" is actually the foundation of all control by the few of the many, throughout human history, without it you couldn't do it, that conspiracy researchers and people in some of the religions still fall for this scam of divide and rule.



They may have good intentions at first but the religious aspect quickly taints the vision and ends up defeating its own purpose. What "freedom" means to many Christians is freedom for only Christians. Sure it works out great for them but how about for everyone else? No abortions, no gay marriage, mandatory prayer in schools, no evolution, the list goes on and one. Like Icke says, what good does it do to tear down one form of fascism only to replace it with another?
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Above all, Pat Robertson is a politician and he has used CBN and its 700 Club and Operation Blessing to gather in followers and pursue his political goals which include making "Christian values" a part of our government. He is staunchly anticommunist and was a strong supporter of rightwing regimes opposing communism and of the Nicaraguan contras in their U.S.-backed struggle against the Sandinistas.(35,5Cool He, along with evangelist Jerry Falwell, believed that the rightwing religious coalition could amass enough votes to run the country. Although the Falwell-Robertson political vision was not shared by the entire evangelical community, it did hold sway in the National Religious Broadcasters. Robertson joined forces with the New Right in an attempt to influence the Reagan administration and in 1988 it led to Robertson's brief candidacy for president.(57)

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