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padawan-learner
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I know it sounds alarmist. (The Sun)
 Tue Dec 04, 2001 9:56 pm
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Hi everyone...been awhile since I've posted anything here (although there isn't a day goes by where I don't read new posts here).
I'm putting this on the table...not trying to prove anything...don't want to be right...and let me add, that I just want to know if anyone here at this site has also noticed this.
I've noticed at other message boards concerning chemtrails that a few people will sometimes comment on the strangeness of the sun.
Well before I get to the goods, in my neck of the woods (Quebec, Canada) the chemtrail operation has evolved yet again. It's gone from partial coverage and patchy blue to complete horizon to horizon chemdome coverage. I can't stress this enough...rarely is the open sky seen anymore...the rising and setting sun are becoming but a fading memory.
I can no longer deny this, and need to talk to others about it. About two weeks ago my Wife and I started noticing something strange. On occasion the sun would be visible and (as incredible as this sounds) the position of it just seems wrong.
I'm 31 years old and I'm not paranoid, nor do I try to jump to conclusions, but the sun seems to rise and set in a more Southerly direction.
Here are just a few examples from people who have noticed the same thing:
"My mother swears that the sun is not coming up in the same place that it used to at the same time of year"
"Yesterday afternoon, by coincidence, I was just thinking about the sun's position in the sky. I think your mother is correct: the sun does seem to be in a different position as compared to the same day and time for previous seasons."
"My opinion is that the sun this morning rose slightly too far SOUTH."
There are many more postings on this subject.
I can't say for sure what exactly is going on, but over the years I have learned that I can trust my gut and my eyes. In my parts, the sun simply is not rising and setting as it used to. I find it alarming that more people aren't noticing this. Then again, WHY WOULD people notice this strange happening, with the constant wall to wall chemical screen hiding everything.
I'm not a religious man, and I don't like doomsday scenarios, but I just can't deny this feeling that all the indicators are there that something truly massive is going on.
Is there any truth to the 2003 return of Nibiru...at this point my research tells me yes.
Please lets have some thoughts on this, and take a few minutes every day, to check the position of the rising and setting sun (if you can even see it)
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Duncan Kunz
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Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:32 pm
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Being a bit of an amateur astronomer, I make a point to check out the skies every morning at 0530 when I go out to feed the dog. Doing this on a regular basis works wonders; over the past several months I've seen Jupiter chase Saturn over the zenith; noted Orion, Taurus, and Gemini gradually move westward and southward (at the same time of day); and see where the sun finally rises as I head out to work about 45 minutes later.
Of course, the sun is rising both later each day and rising further and further south, as it will until December 22. After that (hopefully) it will rise a few minutes earlier every day, gradually swinging north until June 21. I haven't noticed any difference so far.
The information about a solar cycle causing the drought that impacted the Maya civilization was good reading and makes sense. But I noted that the difference in solar intensity was one-tenth of a percent, which shouldn't have been noticed by the observers then -- or now.
If you have the time and inclination, you can download one of many shareware planetarium programs from the web (I like 'SkyView'). If you set the observation points at, say, a week apart and start 'paging' through the views, you'll see the sun make those same two kinds of motions (rising earlier and moving north, then later and moving south) for centuries and millenia to come. The program uses plain old Newtonian mechanics to predict this movement. (This is for people in the Northern Hemisphere.)
If you use this program and see a difference between where the sun should be rising on a particular day -- and where it actually does rise -- that would be news indeed. But so far, I haven't noticed any discrepancy.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 12-04-2001] |
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roman
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:09 am
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Your not the only one who has Noticed that the Sun is diffrent.I read a post on Carnicoms Board just yesterday where someone noticed the same thing that you did .Others on this Board and myself has posted what we have observed.I have some digital pictures of a sunset that Quite frankly made me just a little nervous .I hope it was just a camera malfunction but it showed the sun in tthe wrong place .So I took two more .They came out the same way and this was even on diffrent days. Like I said it was a cheap Digital camera,but it had took pictures of sunsets before with no problems. |
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3T3L1
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:27 am
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Roman, what do you mean, the sun was in the wrong place? Too high? Too far south? Could you post one of your pictures and indicate where it should have been? This is most interesting. |
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Thermit
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:39 am
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Perhaps the wrong place thing has to do with Sundogs, or Chemdogs, as they might be.
I've definately heard people talking about two suns. This was due to the Sundog effect. Perhaps if the Sun itself was blocked from view by a cloud, (as the Sun is blocked by the black disc in the photo) the false-sun could appear as the Sun in the wrong place.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by Thermit on 12-04-2001] |
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penumbra
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:22 am
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padawan- My daughter has mentioned that something seems different about the sunrise on several occasions. She had a hard time putting it into words. I will be looking to see if I notice anything! This afternoon when the sun was setting, there appeared to be two suns... not like a sundog at all... just a faint big red ball right beside the sun. |
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padawan-learner
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:18 am
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In my corner of the world, we have an increasingly obvious situation going on with the sun's position. I'm not talking about sundogs, or some optical illusion, or change of season, or people not remembering where the sun used to be at this time of year.
Our sun is hanging far too low in the Southern sky. In my 31 years I've never seen anything like it.
It's no surprise to me that THEY are trying to keep it covered.
I would be a damn liar if I said that I know what this means for sure. I suspect it may have something to do with 'X' (no, I'm not kidding).
One thing I can say with almost 100% certainty is that all along I've always felt that the chemtrail operation was the writing on the wall.
Now what I'm witnessing with our local sunrise and sunset only confirms that there is something massive going on.
I'll save people the trouble of saying that this sounds crazy. But there is still no denying in my part of the world the sun just ain't where it should be.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by padawan-learner on 12-04-2001] |
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3T3L1
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 4:45 pm
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Duncan, I'm incompetent in celestial mechanics. Is there some formula for the angle relative to due south where the sun should appear to rise and set at a particular latitude, at a particular time of year? |
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3T3L1
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:15 pm
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Stupid question: does the picture show the sun being visible through the earth? |
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Thermit
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:31 pm
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According to roman: "The sun was just left of the house on the horizon".
I would think that this might be some type of lens flare or some similar effect. I haven't found anything on the web describing the situation seen in roman's photo yet though... |
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KnewEyes
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:34 pm
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I also have been noticing the sun is way too low in the sky, here in Connecticut. I went out at "high noon" today, thats when the sun is directly overhead ..usually. No, it was hanging in the higher part of the southern horizon already. Even if I give an allowance for the stupid daylight savings time difference, it was still way too low. Also, now with daylights saving time we are starting to get dark here at 4:20 -4:30pm, where as in the past I used to think it was crazy that that was happening at 5 pm, when we would be in the pitch black. Now it is happening before 5. They should get rid of that stupid "daylight losing time".
I can't wait to go out at sunset, (hopefully we will have a viewable sky here at that time of day, it's pretty "filled" right now), and look for the double suns!
and now, Sung to the tune of "Do Your Ears Hang Low"...
Does your sun hang low ?
Do you miss it's yellow Glow ?
Has it leaned more to the right ?
Does it have a Chem-bow ?
Blocked with vertical lines much bolder ?
By a doin-his-duty soldier
Does your Sun - Hang - Lowwwwwwwww ! ?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by KnewEyes on 12-05-2001] |
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Thermit
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:27 pm
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Hilarious!
Sung to the tune of "Do Your Ears Hang Low"...
Also known as "Turkey in the Straw"  |
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Duncan Kunz
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 9:11 pm
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3T3L1 Sez: Duncan, I'm incompetent in celestial mechanics. Welcome to the club. Is there some formula for the angle relative to due south where the sun should appear to rise and set at a particular latitude, at a particular time of year? Probably, but see my earlier response in this post! Let me see what I can come up with.
First, let's get our definitions straight:
Sunrise: the instant when the leading edge of the Sun's disk becomes visible on the horizon
Sunset: the instant when the trailing edge of the disk disappears below the horizon.
These are the moments of first and last direct sunlight. At these times the center of the Sun's disk is below the horizon. Furthermore, atmospheric refraction causes the Sun's disk to appear higher in the sky than it would if the Earth had no atmosphere. Thus, in the morning the upper edge of the disk is visible for several minutes before the geometric edge of the disk reaches the horizon. Similarly, in the evening the upper edge of the disk disappears several minutes after the geometric disk has passed below the horizon.
The times of sunrise and sunset in almanacs are calculated for the normal atmospheric refraction of 34 minutes of arc and a semidiameter of 16 minutes of arc for the disk. Therefore, at the tabulated time the geometric center of the Sun is actually 50 minutes of arc below a regular and unobstructed horizon for an observer on the surface of the Earth in a level region.
However, this isn't very noticeable, unless you're standing outside with an almanac in one hand, and a corrected digital watch in the other!
There is another "fly in the ointment" for determining where the Sun "ought to be" and where it really is at a particular time: an analemma. If you look at a globe you'll see this little figure-eight thingy that diagrams the apparent location of the sun at the same time each day. Instead of just a movement from North-to-South-to-North that you'd expect from the seasonal progression, the sun's apparent location is driven by the fact that our orbit is elliptical, not circular, and that we speed up and slow down in our orbit, depending on how far we are from the sun (just like a figure skater's spin speeds up as she pulls her arms close to her body). Because of this elliptical movement, the noon "slows down" by about eight seconds a day for half the year
If you postulated an Earth that traveled around the sun in a perfectly circular orbit (call it Earth "A") as opposed to one that travels in an ellipse (Earth "B"), you would see some differences. At the time in January when the Earth is closest to the sun and orbiting the fastest, the actual angle between looking directly overhead and where the sun actually is, is only about .03 degrees. It takes the Earth slightly less than 8 seconds to rotate this angular distance to where the sun will appear directly overhead.
The most important thing about all of this to remember is that the difference accumulates each day. It continues to accumulate until around April 2nd when at that time the speed of Earth "A" and Earth "B" are the same. At that time the position of the sun in the sky will have reached its maximum "offset" to the east. The time difference between the sun and your watch will be almost 8 minutes. From April 2nd until around July 3rd the sun will drift back toward the west. Then from July 3rd to October 2nd the sun continues to drift to the west until it reaches its maximum "offset" in the west. Then from October 2nd until January 2nd, the sun drifts back toward the east until it reaches its starting position on January 2nd.
The equation that deals with this apparent discrepancy between solar time and real time is called the Equation of Time, which is not the same as either The Sands of Time, Time Magazine, or The Sands Hotel in Las Vegas.
You can find a lot more of this stuff, even more boring than my rants, at http://www.analemma.com/ .
Now as to figuring out where and when the sun will rise: You could simply get an ephemeris table from the Naval observatory for your latitude and longitude, or use an astronomy program like SkyMap to run the simulation.
Better yet go to the same NOAA solar calculator shown earlier in this thread, and slide on over to http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/solareqns.PDF . There you will see the equations in all their attic glory. I'd just use the SkyMap software, though.
One final note on sunrise and sunset: While searching the web for relevant information, I inadvertently clicked on the URL immediately after the one listed above, ( http://www.geocities.com/tmartiac//yupanqui/apachesunrise.htm ) entitled "Becoming Woman: The Sunrise Ceremony". It details the female puberty ceremonies practiced in the Apache tribe, and is much more interesting than all the equation stuff.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 12-05-2001] |
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