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Originally posted by halva
If you would like to join the discussions at our closed forum I will give you the URL if you send me a private e-mail.
Hi Halva,
If I could just address your thread here, how in a nutshell would you describe this idea of "Peak Oil"? My understanding is simply it is as supply decreases (and costs much more to extract?) and demand increases price will go up causing (major?) disruption. Isn't that the basic tenent? It isn't Exactly "running out of oil" but rather running out of "cheap" oil. One thing to consider in all of this though is that some oil companies (I THINK it was Exxonmobil) were reportedly making PROFITS of millions per DAY with resulting multiple BILLION yearly profits. If that is the case then I have to wonder if the huge rise in our gas prices here is based not more on "peak OIl" but rather "Peak Greed"???
Haven't read Ruppert's 'Crossing the Rubican' yet have you? Wasn't that the book that deals with Peak Oil?
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:04 am
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My state Missouri,
Just like many other mid-western states could immediately start growing industrial hemp for oil and fiber, and not only reinvigorate this part of middle America farmland, but also help the U.S. get off of 'foreign' oil. Hemp Bio-diesel fueled cars and trucks could get 50-60 mpg, last 300,000+ miles, and be a major help in lowering atmospheric pollutants and provide a techno revolution (jobs) such as in Europe. Hemp oil could be blended with different petroleum diesels and stretch the oil supply many fold. OIl companies need not give up their 'death grip' only diversify.
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halva
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:47 pm
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SmT. I have posted a transcript of the Colin Campbell Peak Oil DVD here.
(scroll down to posting 286) |
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:35 pm
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Thanks for the link Halva,
and yes, it does seem to confirm my summation, that the concept of Peak Oil is basically a problem of supply (though often manipulated) and demand. I imagine China's coal reserves too which can be converted over to fuel oil distress the U.S. administration as it might disrupt the balance of power (U.S.)
Still, oil companies are raping the consumer, and the price gouging seems somewhat independent actually of Peak Oil. Please Note:
"U.S. oil companies posted RECORD OIL PROFITS for the year of 2004. Exxon Mobile reported the LARGEST one-year operating profits OF ANY CORPORATION IN U.S. HISTORY and the highest quarterly profit--8.42 BILLION-- EVER by an American Company"
Criminal bastards profiting from the blood of our young people.
http://starbulletin.com/2005/05/12/editorial/letters.html
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:53 am
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The idea and theories of Thomas Gold and others of "abiotic oil" and of supplies replenishing themselves from geothermal processes inside the earths mantle are interesting.
While am no more versed in geology than most people, looking at the reports of super deep oil wells such as Kola SG-3 and the ones in Vietnam seem worth investigating.
Though I don't blame everything in the world on a "zionist scam" I do realize Oil companies like many others are there to make money often (Unfortunately for the citizens) using any methods they can get away with. I might substitute "OIl Company Scam" for "Zionist scam" in the heading of this article on abiotic oil:
Interstingly enough this report seems to have been written by Joe Vialls whom many feel was murdered recently.
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http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html |
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Et in Arcadia ego
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:00 am
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Abiotic theory reminds me of Hoyle's Solid State theory..
Conceptually optimistic, but hopelessly inaccurate.
But I'm the first to admit that I know little to nothing about Oil, as do most of us, unfortunately. It just sounds like a fountain of youth concept to keep the people dreaming. |
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:36 am
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Sure, the abiotic oil theory as I understand it is in a way an opposite of peak oil.
I have spoken to geologists and they explain the oil coming from the ~8mile deeps wells from pools in Russia as potentially having been created due to plate shifts or tetonic movement or something of that affect where organic material is shoved deep underground (as i understand it) under the mantle? Still in a way I have always personally wondered how SO MUCH material got trapped undergound to keep producing such an astonomical amout of barrels of oil?
I also understand from talking to a geologist that the origination of the oil should be able to be identified based upon identifying the radio isotopes present and in what ratio. Seems technology could answer the question.
Perhaps though maybe peak oil is real as far as the economic part that says that is the real reason for war for oil resoures access to CHEAP oil rather than scarce oil (and the keeping of running refineries at a minimum to drive up price and lessen supply) and keeping others contained by regulating access. Seems if abiotic oil theory was correct places like China would be drilling super deep wells and showing results and free themselves from Oil dominated politics.
Just like Gulf war 1 the Bush's have slowed output and driven up price and as a result companies like Exxon-Mobile have recorded the biggest profits in U.S. history last year.
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Et in Arcadia ego
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:52 am
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No arguments there, but I'll tell ya, the concept of oil coming from a bunch of dead dinosaurs is really insulting to one's intellegence..
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:57 am
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Ive talked with a few oil executives through the work i do.Not super rich people by any means.Mostly small companies with only 5-15 employees.So i know they are not billion dollar execs.Everyone ive talk with about this basically believes in abiotic oil.There therory comes from going back to wells once thought to be basically empty or so low that its not cost effective to pump the rest of the oil out.Well when they went back to these wells they were full again and after restarting the wells are still pumping out oil for several years after they were supposedly drained..
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Et in Arcadia ego
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:19 pm
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Isn't Ruppert one of the Bad Guys? |
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CDsNuTz
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:33 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Et in Arcadia ego
Isn't Ruppert one of the Bad Guys?
Its getting harder and harder to decipher the "RIFF" from the "RAFF" as of late..Its all become one giant smokescreen.
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