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Did you see the paths of Katrina and Ivan? From lifelong residents of Florida and Georgia, they have never seen hurricanes behave this way.
Sometimes one has to stake their reputation to go the truth. If we form our opinions, be they left or right, from standard news sources and the US government, then we arre only getting half-truths at best. By saying what CNNBCBSCIAFOX says, then all we have to argue is their "facts", and not the other omitted facts that come to us from foreign sources.
This is the same with Katrina. We know weather control exists. We know it is being used as a weapon. We know HAARP can punch holes in and heat up the ionosphere. We know these Neo-Cons are disciples and blood of traitors to the US government, and literally are carrying out the plans of Hitler, Stalin, and McCarthy. We know Oil Companies are gouging prices. We know the path of Katrina defies logic and weather patterns of tracking hurricanes for 140 years. We know the US Government will stop at nothing to increase Empire. We know historically that Empires like to occupy Dark Skinned People's Land. We know that New Orleans and Bagdad are two major centers of dark-skinned culture.
Of course, some are standard media facts. Others are based on speculation, and a logical variable conclusion to the facts, as presented by various other media outlets, most all reliable.
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Originally posted by Swamp Gas
You got that right, ET in Arcadia Ego!!!! 
States losing their sovereign rights, which you can see in California's Pot Laws.
"The Bush administration has set out to shift attention from its own responsibility for the enormous damage caused by Hurricane Katrina. With the federal government coming under increasing criticism for its shocking display of indifference and negligence, the White House is seeking to transfer blame onto the backs of local and state authorities."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/hurr-s05.shtml
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:55 pm
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HAARP activity Aug 24-25
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It seems to me quite likely The Crime Family interests wanted these 90+% black and poor folks OUTA THERE, first preferably dead if possible then scattered to the wind and never allowed BACK. DEny them food and water for days and then turn the cameras on them once they are in survival mode. Who's gonna miss them then when FAUX shows such "animals".
It seems unlikely to me that the long narrow concrete canals that alledgedly just *failed* , and that had just been recently "repaired",would have caused a situation where any excess water through them could have ever breached a canal designed for excess water simply to spill over the tops. I have witnessed concrete dams not nearly as thick here in Missouri , a hundred years old going exactly AGAINST a flood current pusing against them for days , numerous times and NEVER failing.
I find it unlikely all of the reports of the locals hearing explosions can be explained away as the sound of the concrete breaking. I find the fact that the levees had been historically breeced before by explosives drowing out the poor blacks to be historically significant. That the gambling casino, condo, and other business interests wanted the "public housing problem" eliminated was not secret, and a way to channel billions of dollars into "haliburton" type schemes was desperately sought. The widely circled quote of the offical saying "god did what we couldn't do :clean up public housing" is telling.
Social engineering has occured for thousands of years and will probably continue in our lifetimes (more or less as the citizens consent) so in a way things like this shouldn't come as unexpected. Still it's eerie to witness what seems so incrediably clear the Feds did here (negligent homicide IMO) (and blamed it on the locals).
I like many others feel California may be next, and the installed Arnold will get to live out his Terminator/Dictator fantasies (As he admits he has). Scary. The courts for now have sided with the second Amendment and thanks to NRA type efforts are being instructed to return locals STOLEN guns in Louisiana.
Americans must put pressure on to make sure FEMA can never Blockade citizens so as to starve or murder them by dehydration. The FEDS need to be INVITED and under STATE control NOT Federal as the feds have PROVEN they would just as soon see the locals DEAD!!!
Cutting communications as the Feds did is Inexcusable and should be heavily condemned.Those with communications have a RIGHT to contact their loved ones and FEMA has no reason to try and stop this other than perhaps sinister ones.
I still honestly think they wanted these folks dead and scattered to the wind so as they wouln't be a problem to the new Las vegas of the South built up by Yours and my tax dollars for the sake of ther Crime Family CasinoLodge Elitists Network. BILLIONS of dollars, hundred of cronies. And just this spring I read they repealed the law saying casinos had to be touching the water. Very convenient. Plus as a bonus the failed War in Iraq and that pesky Sheehan went out of the news for awhile.
Look out L.A., San Fran., the HAARP operator has you in his sights and he's got an itchy trigger finger; especially now as the so called administration polls are at a record low. And if not that hasn't the meme been paced of having a weapons grade 3 lab there close to a fault and just happening to have stores of the Spanish Flu virus for experimenting (how smart is that???) Just think of the 'cleaning' that could be done in sections of LA by the feds providing a great new cheap work force to compete with China of illegally forced into salvery, for those "insurgents" taken alive.(terrorists  ) Secret trials, secet evidence, secret rail cars.....
Do you think Haliburton would get the contract for a major L.A. earthquake cleaup and rebuilding??? How about for construction of the new Bush/Cheney secret extra clean "shower facilities" going in at the "hospitality " camps?
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! SO WHAT IS NEXT? EARTHQUAKE IN NEW MADRID OR CALIFORNIA? SOMEBODY FLIP A COIN! |
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New madrid? Yeah it'spossible, it produced a strong enough quake in 1812 to send the Mississippi River flowing backwards and was felt as far as the East Coast. Wonder what a sustained attack of ELF from HAARP and a few high powered satellites would do??? MMMM.... Not really much of a FED target here, except a possible "cleanup/roundup" in East St' louis though I couldn't see the FEds doing this (unless they wanted cheap labor or some other politcal target) because the land was so polluted by Monsanto that the very poor and mostly black people there are largely left alone to fend for themselves (against each other often) A hell of a place to grow up, unfortunately one of many.
If I had to speculate though California is set up with Arnold whom many may not yet see as the "Bush understudy" he is. With Arnolds admitted dictator powere loving personality and the Bush supporting Nazi past, and Californias state loving independence, it is possible if the Crime Family feels it needs anothe 9-11, it could be here. But then again, Chicago? Dallas? Atlanta? etc.etc. who knows,......... maybe all at once???
IF the midwest is attacked I look for it to come "biologically" and I see Bush starting to add "terrorist" biological attacks more to his list of things The People may be soon hit with. One thing for certain. The Crime Family will suck the billions from the treasury as long as they can before letting it all collapse for the last time prior to the fullscale attempt at "The Number of The Beast" type "new economy" (The one Bunny works for 
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THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION
IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA
Analysis by G. Edward Griffin, updated 2005 September 21
There has been widespread criticism of the response of US officials to Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans in 2005. The tone of these complaints is that the authorities failed to do their job quickly enough. Some commentators have said this is a racial issue, claiming that the government would have acted more promptly if the majority of victims had been white instead of black. Others have said it was an issue of the rich against the poor, the oil companies against the consumers, the land developers and contractors seeking to force people out of the city so they can rebuild without interference at taxpayers' expense. Democrats have said the problem is that Republicans were in control, and Republicans are indifferent to the plight of the common man.
In news coverage of this tragedy, the most significant events often were buried beneath a blanket of heart-wrenching stories of personal survival, scenes of awesome destruction, reports of looting, and interviews with experts. However, the key to understanding can be found in the following list of news headlines, most of which did not make it into mainstream coverage. These reports make it clear that the government did not fail to respond in a timely fashion. The problem was that it did respond - but in such a way as to actually hinder rescue operations. There were too many instances for this to be merely a mistake or a bureaucratic snafu. There is a clear pattern here that cannot be denied. Why this should be so will be discussed in a moment, but first, here is the amazing record.
(For CACHED sources go here: http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=FEMA_Katrina&refpage=issues))
FEMA tells first responders not to respond until told to do so. FEMA News 2005 Aug 29
FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations.
FEMA News 2005 Aug 29 (Cached)
Offer of helicopters for rescue work is rejected.
Narcosphere 2005 Sept 1 (Cached)
FEMA blocks 500 Florida airboat pilots from rescue work.
Sun Sentinel 2005 Sept 2 (Cached)
FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck.
Chicago Tribune 2005 Sept 2 (Cached)
FEMA turns back volunteer Sheriff's deputies and medical team. Unknown News 2005 Sept 2 (Cached)
FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans.
Tri Valley Central 2005 Sept 2 (Cached)
Pentagon says military mission in New Orleans is combat, not rescue. Army Times 2005 Sept 2 (Cached)
FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid.
Daily Kos 2005 Sept 3 (Cached)
Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food.
Post Gazette 2005 Sept 3 (Cached)
Military turns back flood survivors trying to leave city. Thousands held at gunpoint and locked up in Superdome.
Reuters 2005 Sept 3 (Cached)
FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital onboard. Chicago Tribune 2005 Sept 4 (Cached)
FEMA cuts local emergency communications phone lines.
Meet the Press 2005 Sept 4 (Cached)
FEMA turns away experienced firefighters.
Daily Kos 2005 Sept 5 (Cached)
FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks.
NY Times 2005 Sept 5 (Cached)
FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel.
NY Times 2005 Sept 5 (Cached)
Navy pilots who rescued victims are reprimanded.
NY Times 2005 Sept 7 (Cached)
US government turns back German plane with 15 tons of aid.
Star Tribune 2005 Sept 10 (Cached)
FEMA officials forbid stores from re-opening. Sheriff defies their order and threatens to arrest them. (Article near the bottom of page.) Times-Picayune 2005 Sept 11 (Cached)
FEMA declines volunteer firemen for rescue operations. Uses them to distibute public relations pamphlets.
Salt Lake Tribune 2005 Sept 12 (Cached)
FEMA orders doctor to stop treating hurricane victims.
Advocate 2005 Sept 16 (Cached)
So what is going on here? Were agents of the federal government trying to kill American citizens? Were they trying to obtain the maximum death toll and the highest level of human suffering? It would seem that way at first, but I would like to suggest that this incredible behavior stems from something else - something equally unsettling.
The only legitimate function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens. In New Orleans, however, it was clear that the primary job of the military, FEMA, and Homeland Security was, not to protect citizens, but to protect the government and keep it functioning. It can be argued that, if government does not protect itself first, it may not be able to protect its citizens, so that should be its first obligation. However, the government was not in danger in New Orleans. Aside from one or two snipers, its forces were never under attack, and its ability to function was never threatened; so the self-preservation argument is not valid in this case.
It was clear from the start that the goal of FEMA and Homeland Security was, not to resue people, but to control them. Their directive was to relocate families and businesses, confiscate property, commandeer goods, direct labor and services, and establish martial law. This is what they have been trained to do. The reason they failed to carry out an effective rescue operation is that this was not their primary mission, and the reason they blocked others from doing so is that any operations not controlled by the central authority are contrary to their directives. Their objective was to bring the entire area under the control of the federal government - and this they succeeded in doing very well.
William Anderson, in an article posted to the the web site of the von Mises Institute, came to the same conclusion but from a slightly different perspective. He calls attention to the need for politicians and government agencies to be in the spotlight during emergencies so they can look good to the voters and claim credit for all positive results. They are not interested in sharing the praise. Williams writes:
The huge outpouring of private aid, from donation of money, food, clothing, time, and housing (many people simply have taken in refugees — white and black — in their own homes) stands in contrast to [Anne] Rice's "America is hopelessly racist and hates the poor" [as Rice claimed in the New York Times] and demonstrates that the will to sacrifice for those truly in need certainly exists in this country. While it is not surprising that the elitist New York Times would take this as its standard view, it also is a shame when the country's "newspaper of record" can't even record the right things.
Yet, for all of the public angst over the federal government's — and especially FEMA's — post-disaster response, most observers have missed what is painfully obvious: the government's response was perfectly in character to how people in government act in such situations. To say this in an alternative way, government was being government the same way that a dog is a dog.
As anyone knows, dogs are territorial animals, and governments are territorial entities. The first rule that a government agent follows when confronted with an "emergency" is to "secure the area." For example, when two young men were merrily going on a murder and mayhem spree at Columbine High School in 1999, the vaunted police "SWAT" team stayed outside and encircled the complex because someone said that the area had to be "secured" before police actually could try to save anyone. (Of course, we found out later that not only did police fail to save people, but at least one person bled to death because police refused to get help until the man had died. This was not incompetence; it was the normal workings of the "I am in charge and don't you forget it" mentality that permeates government at all levels.)
Immediately after the hurricane had stopped in New Orleans, for example, a Wal-Mart had brought a truckload of bottled water; FEMA officials turned the truck away, declaring that it was "not needed." Before we dismiss this incident as yet another example of incompetent government, we should realize that the official's actions were completely within the character of government.
When governments act to provide services to individuals, they are done within a very different context than what occurs when private organizations provide services. The post-Katrina services performed by the Red Cross and other organizations such as civil groups and churches did not come with the threat of force attached to them. Church volunteers cannot arrest or even kill someone in those circumstances, but a representative of the government can perform such things without recrimination (and on more than one occasion did just that post-Katrina).
Moreover, government services are performed in as visible a manner as possible. Anyone who has watched some of the post-hurricane coverage has seen press conference after press conference after photo-opportunity of government officials from President George W. Bush to mayors, governors, FEMA and military personnel and the like, people whose job is to be seen doing "good" for political constituents. These things are done with the podium and the TV camera in mind.
The FEMA official who waved off the Wal-Mart truck was correct; FEMA did not "need" Wal-Mart to help. In fact, people from FEMA did not want Wal-Mart to help, as the company would have been able to steal some of the thunder that "rightfully" should belong to FEMA and other government agencies.
While the world is preoccupied with trying to fix the blame for the government's failure in New Orleans, the reality is that it did not fail at all. It was a huge success in promoting its own agenda. Unfortunately, that agenda was not to rescue American citizens. Once this simple fact is understood, everything that happened in the wake of Katrina becomes understandable and logical.
If there are new terrorist attacks against the United States or Great Britain or any other country, what we witnessed in New Orleans may have been but a fleeting glimpse into the future of global collectivism.
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=FEMA_Katrina&refpage=issues
if you still don't think these hurricanes could be MAN-MADE, look at the links below.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO201A.html
http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=000593AE-704B-1151-B57F83414B7F0000
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/apr/HQ_04140_clouds_climate.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/harnessing_weather.html
http://deoxy.org/meme/AviationSmog
http://cyberspaceorbit.com/katrina_investigate.htm
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/09/08/kgbkatrina.shtml
http://www.weatherwars.info/Katrina.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/08/hyperdimensional-katrina.html
http://www.whale.to/b/weather_q.html
http://www.rense.com/general67/exple.htm
http://www.rense.com/general28/deathray.htm
http://www.rense.com/general61/tteenu.htm
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:08 am
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[quote="MurderedInnocence"]THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION
IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA
So what is going on here? Were agents of the federal government trying to kill American citizens? Were they trying to obtain the maximum death toll and the highest level of human suffering?
SMT------Not necessarily. They simply wanted the poor blACKS TO DISAPPEAR. iT WASN'T IMPORTANT HOW. William Bennett (fake conservative) sums it up nicely, Saying if all black babies wrere aborted crime would go down. But of course the same could be said for The Bush/Cheney neo Con Crime Family, if they had all been aborted the hundreds of thousands of deaths might have been prevented from illegal mid-east wars over oil and empire.
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Quote"It was clear from the start that the goal of FEMA and Homeland Security was, not to resue people, but to control them. Their directive was to relocate families and businesses, confiscate property, commandeer goods, direct labor and services, and establish martial law."
Smt- Absolutely. "WE just didn't know" isn't even remotely believable any longer. They functioned as planned.
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