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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Scanner:
I don't read the other chem sites so I don't know what's been said there, but I can't see where it advances our cause to trash each other on other boards.
Scanner, I agree completely I really wish everyone could stop being so suspicious of and rough with others. It doesn't help our cause at all.
After Delphi implied that Chemtrail Central was a "government front site" simply because we have enough bandwidth for avatars, I felt that I needed to explain, so I posted this on Chem11's board...
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Thermit:
No, I'm just willing to spend $25 a month because I think Chemtrails are real. 
And to further address Delphi's concerns...
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Delphi:
How do you manage and support such a big and snazzy site yet Chem can't make his as good...you must be getting help from some where. When you compare Chemmms lil lackluster, boring, colorless dealy to here, why can't $25 buy him the same that you seem to manage here.
Delphi, I don't know why you are knocking Chem's site. It's pretty nice to me. But yes, I do get a lot of help. It's called UBBDEV, (Ultimate Bulletin Board Developers). Here's the link: http://www.ubbdev.com. All of the great features that I've added along the way, like avatars, I found there. Adding features to my board is a hobby, I have fun doing it. It isn't any big deal, and these extra features don't cost anything, they are free. Of course, as I mentioned before, I do pay for my site, so we don't have to deal with adds and popups that some other sites have and so we have enough space for the Image Database. I hope that clears up some of the mystery!
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:50 pm
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Oh boy.
Delphi, you seem to think that is 'okay' for you voice your suspiscions that Thermit is a govenrment agent, but it is not okay for him to respond (rather good-naturedly, I might add) to those accusations.
I wish you the best Joanne, and I'm not going to read you the riot act because life has certainly dealt you a few cards from the bottom of the deck. But at the same time I can't let you defecate on everyone within spitting distance because you're having a 'bad day'. Nor should I let your 'misrepresentations' go unremarked...
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Enjoy giving yourself ulcers for the cause. Enjoy hating each other and scamming each other and ripping off each others work and photos, like Chemmm pulled on me
I'm not really sure to what you are referring, Joanne. All I can think of is that you somehow equate uploading your photos into the Mega image gallery as somehow being 'ripped' off. Everyone that submits is, of course, given credit for their submission.
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How do you manage and support such a big and snazzy site yet Chem can't make his as good...you must be getting help from some where. When you compare Chemmms lil lackluster, boring, colorless dealy to here, why can't $25 buy him the same that you seem to manage here.
Hey! My site has a red color scheme. Thermit's is black, for god sake. Lackluster and boring are subjective opinions, colorless is another story!
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Lorrie K. has done the most. Everyone else is just on a sleazy "payroll" of some kind to screw us "real" activists
Real activists at least make an attempt to put the issue before their own personal grievances (imaginary or otherwise) with other activists. In other words, launching a cyberattack on an entire forum because you're having a 'bad day' pretty much precludes you from being taken seriously. Lorie Kramer has done an amazing job (yes, she has T/S) and so have plenty of other folks. Most of whom are not being paid by the government to do so.
All this is obvious, and like I said, I'm not going to read you the riot act, Joanne. You want to go off the deep end, well, that's fine. Just don't try and take everyone else with you.
Best Wishes,
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defender
Joined: 27 Oct 2000
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:53 pm
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Chem11, Delphi, friends;
Let's not go after each other. Remember HR2977. The bad guys have nothing left but to dissuade and distract visitors with urine jokes and unprovoked attacks. They're out of gas (well, not t/s and Lulu apparently... they're still full of it)... oops, that almost qualifies as scatalogical 'humor' too? 
This particular flame war began with this quote by the Sucker;
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...and the most humorous thing about this topic is how defender admits to not seeing it, won't go there, and then makes (her)usual uninformed observation...
More pathetic lies by The Sucker and another attack (must have learned in from chicken***t) in the form of 'gender-questioning'. This is/was a part of CD's MO as far as injecting hot-button issues like womens rights, homosexual rights, targeting by a persons religion/sexual orientation, among others. It's a very effective method of attack and I've seen it worked against us successfully many times, usually by the half-wit, CD.
Lulu and 3T3 whom I respect in most of their opinions are easy targets when it comes to male-bashing in the wake of gender questioning attacks when it's injected into a conversation. The Sucker seems to be the only one left still doing this, at ChemtrailCentral anyway?
BTW, as I've said before, this is the only site I look at anymore. Why would I go to a site/webhole that's been suggested, let alone designed by a lemming/'debunker' like CD or t/s? I could go, like some do, just to see what kind of b/s they're spewing... (that's what I do with television). I don't have any need to monitor a freak show like the sites mentioned by t/s, cd. IMO it's counter-productive, the lemmings know that themselves, that's why they continue to build their webholes and attack legitimate websites like Carnicoms and Thermits.
Maybe you haven't noticed this, (I know you have a limited attention span), but I'm not questioning the reality of chemtrails anymore, sucker, so who needs your creepy webholes?. Most members here, as you know, don't waste time questioning or 'debunking' something they know is real. HR2977 is, among other things, confirmation that everyone else know it now too... except for the people who haven't been clued in yet.
Looks like this gender thing is a trick Lulu has fallen for as well. I haven't looked at her site since she announced it. Is it becoming another 'debunker' web-hole? IMO Lulus now just another misguided male-basher, like her girlfriend, the Sucker, who's finally come out of the closet. These arguments are always a waste of time, but I guess we need them for some reason?
The flame wars started by Sucker and other'debunkers' have nothing to do with chemtrails and everything to do with attacks against the exposure of chemtrails and activists. The lemmings will apparently use any pathetic/degenerate way they can. Let's not give them any help?
When all is said and done, the 'debunkers' have lost. t/s continuing to play games with this thread is an indication of how dead and obsolete their cause has become!
"Some gotta win, some gotta lose! CONtrail artist 'debunkers' got the blues!"
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Scanner
Joined: 06 Sep 2001
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:05 pm
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Shouldn't personal grievances be aired on the message board? I don't understand the reasoning behind posting them on the threads. I guess sometimes folks might want to make sure others who read these posts don't get the wrong idea about them, but it seems to me it just draws more people into the argument. I guess there are some readers who enjoy these little skirmishes, but a lot of us just get turned off by them. It doesn't do any good to trash someone just because you disagree with them. Everyone has a right to their opinion. We can agree to disagree and still respect each other.
How about a little more humor and a lot less mudslinging.
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Location: Lubbock, Texas |
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:09 pm
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Centrex News : Public Correction Required
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The following letter has been sent to Mr. Joel Skousen regarding a recent article posted on CentrexNews.com, and is made available to the public as well.
CE Carnicom
Jan 21 2002
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Mr. Skousen,
Thank you for your recent attention to the aerosol issues on www.centrexnews.com (World Affairs - Jan 11 2002(1?)). You have pointed out an important inaccuracy by the journalist Will Thomas within your recent article regarding the formation of contrails with respect to relative humidity. If you investigate the source of these statements by Mr. Thomas, you will likely find that they refer to work that I have conducted on this issue. My work has been misquoted by Mr. Thomas. Mr. Thomas has been requested to correct this statement, and to my knowledge, has never acted upon my request. It remains my desire that this be done, as has been stated publicly.
Please refer to the following page in particular:
www.carnicom.com/thomas1.htm
I have conducted several studies related to the humidity issue, and numerous models with respect to contrail formation are presented within my research. There is, as you have noted, an important distinction to be made between the conditions of contrail formation vs. cloud formation. In fact, the models available allow for reasonably accurate prediction of contrails down to essentially 0% relative humidity. The conditions for "cloud" formation, artificial or otherwise, are a distinctly separate issue. This has not been accurately presented to my knowledge by Mr. Thomas, regardless of public and private requests that have been made to this journalist. You may further evaluate the evidence and information available at:
www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
This letter to you will be made available to the public within my web site, as well as the message board attached to it. My hope is that you will provide a correction to the public as well.
Sincerely,
Clifford E Carnicom www.carnicom.com
January 21, 2002
ref : www.joelskousen.com/
Edited by: cecarnicom at: 1/21/02 11:29:20 am
Could somebody please explain to me what the big deal is? Where, exactly, has Mr. Carnicom been misquoted by Mr. Thomas? |
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:12 pm
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I found this, but it does not seem to be worthy of all the acrimony. Is there something more, somewhere?
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A statement by William Thomas is posted by request. This statement does require a correction in order to accurately characterize the results of my work, as is denoted below with an asterisk, with the substitution of the word CLOUDS instead of the word contrails. I have, in the past, presented studies involving contrail dissipation and cloud formation; studies in progress related to contrail formation have not yet been published. This correction has been relayed to William Thomas.
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:23 pm
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I certainly have no intentions of going after anybody at this point in time, but at the same time, I feel it neccesary to refute the misrepresentations that have been directed.
That being accomplished, I will direct the collective attention of CTC members to the timing of the creation of the website in question.
Defender is quite right when he states that this is an attempt at distraction. But it's also indicitive of a half-time change of strategy.
Casting doubt, empowering denial and twisting atmospheric science to subtantiate irrelevancies simply hasn't worked that well for folks on the other side of the issue.
There's going to be a lot of mud being slung in an effort to make life unpleasant for public figures that champion this issue.
Unfortunately, this tactic is commonly employed simply because it works. Throw enough of it and some is bound to stick.
There's a time to wipe it off and smile and there's a time to fight fire with fire. I think the important thing to remember is why it is happening and to keep our eyes on the prize.
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defender
Joined: 27 Oct 2000
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:36 pm
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Well said, Chem.
BTW, I didn't want to cause anymore bad feelings here re; statements about 3T3 and Lulu or anyone else, (other than the maggot t/s, who started this flame-fest). I'd hoped I was getting along better with 3T3 and Lulu (apparently not with Lulu ). Didn't mean to start another problem (3T3), just remembering those bad old days of pointless arguments generated by CD.
After all, isn't that the point of threads like this?
As you say Chem11, sometimes you have to defend yourself.
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:54 pm
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All right. Full disclosure time. I am not a debunker, but I do have a soft spot in my heart for theseeker. Irrational, yes, but I'm a lady and I'm allowed. I suspect that Lulu feels the same. So please don't call our integrity into question whenever we support theseeker in these discussions. It has nothing to do with the reality or unreality of chemtrails. It has everything to do with the fact that we find theseeker to be an irrepressible charmer. (Hey, I feel the same way about Donald Rumsfeld. What can I tell you?)
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:17 pm
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I've received several responses from members concerned about the mudslinging in this thread. Let's pause this thread for a while and revisit the original issue later.
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