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soulcore
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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At least I can see what you're talking about in your image, Newtonjd..
amen.
now where's our resident starman ... 
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soulcore
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:24 pm
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In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
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Et in Arcadia ego
Joined: 07 Jun 2005
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:57 pm
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One thing, and no, I'm not trying to debunk anything, so relax:
We're entering a grey area with some of these where a few resemble normal forming cirrocumulus clouds that usually form in the presence of colder weather. Odd stuff like what newtonjd pointed out, the tearing in soulcore's pics, and micro rippling that seems to have more than one vector or flow in a localized area, etc, all point to something strange, but it's not uncommon to have normal ripple clouds in fall/winter:
google search
Then again, of course you're going to see more than a few, umm..compromised images...embedded in the search results, that seem hard to attribute to Mother nature:
Telling real from phony with these types of clouds is a PITA, which is why I rarely post pics of them unless they're REALLY screwy-looking..The ONLY reason I want to make this point is I don't want to see anyone confuse natrural clouds with artificial clouds born from persistent contrails, as that weakens our arguments. If you think these are tricky, you should take a look at a REAL headache:
Cirrus Uncinus google search
In my opinion, this is the natural cloud type that persistent contrails BEST immitate by far..If I hadn't have seen the spreading from a contrail in my own images, ie: ARTIFICIAL Cirrus, I'd have a hard time believing I was looking at something artificial after seeing these natural images in the search results above..But conversely, I'm sure there's more than a few compromised images in that list as well..I DO know, however, that I've watched them form naturally with my own eyes on days completely free of any persistent contrails whatsoever..
It's hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff sometimes..That's why timeline shots are so valuble..I'm thinking soon of doing only time-lapse captures specifically for this reason.
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newtonnjd
Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:46 am
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Et, good points about real vs. fake ripple patterns. I think it's often quite easy to tell the difference. Real ripples generally affect a whole cloud, and the ripples are very clearly part of the clouds structure. The fake ripples look like a pattern imposed upon the cloud, and seem to extend beyond the clouds border.
I had even crazier skies later yesterday afternoon after my first set of photos. Here is one I've been working on:
So, how many different ripple directions and/or wavelengths are there in just that one cloud?? How can natural forces account for so many?
(I'm a dumbass, the ripples were stronger in my next photo of this cloud a few minutes later, I should have done all the work on that one )
I also saw my first 'punch hole':
I also have some photos of a square cloud that I hope will be my most convincing yet for non-believers. I'll post it soon. |
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darvi o'brien
Joined: 01 Aug 2005
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:24 pm
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For the last couple of weeks these are the only type clouds that we have seen in the S.F. bay area. Does this site have any information on what we can do about this. I've seen enough pictures, I miss our blue skies and real clouds. I've written Senators, I've informed people I know and I get pretty much the same reaction from everybody. They think I'm some kind of conspiricy nut. What are we going to do? |
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Corona
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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Location: the New London CT |
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:46 pm
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Sit back & enjoy the show?
I learned of the Weather Wars site about a month ago & it blew me away. I had no idea of all this, yet I started noticing a few years ago that cumulus clouds are a lot fuzzier than I remember them in the 60s & 70s when I was a kid & a teen. Then I saw that Wars site & saw the photos. I went outside & saw the scalar markings. I can't look at clouds the same way anymore.
Anyway, fighting the "powers that be" would be like demanding entrance into Area 51. (I know, they closed it.) |
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starman1
Joined: 29 Sep 2005
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:25 am
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It's "Grid'z" 
You know, watching "wilma" swing all over the place, and trying to track her by the sat's. imagery, really makes me wonder if in fact it is a real "Weather War". This "huracan" seems to have at least two forces pushing and pulling it around, I watched it duck and hide under the Yucatan peninsula dodging a low pressure attack coming down from the south US, then when the coast seemed clear she rolls out again into the gulf, when suddenly, (as of the time of this writing), another super low is rolling backward(toward the west) over the upper mid west downward, pushing the jet stream hard back down toward the gulf. It seems to me, (and anyone could "spin" this either way I'm sure) if it were just one perpetrator with this technology trying to spin a "Huracan" on a specific location, it would be quite easy to accomplish with little resistance. What I have been witenessing is a push and pull battle, even the meteorologist can't figure it out, because things keep changing from moment to moment. It's action vs reaction. Same thing locally for me, something starts to form in the sky, and either an airforce jet shows up, or another grid begins to morph the shape away. They sure are spending alot of time and money with all those jets to keep people distracted. I think a little "truth" and "trust" might be the order of the day, unless, of course, it is as those conspiracy theorist have postulated and 80% of us are F#^%*d anyway. I don't want to believe that scenerio, but it does make one wonder what the "HELL" is really going on. Either way, the people need to know... So everyone YELL a little louder, get busy sharing with everyone you know... Spread out beyond the borders of this environment (I know some of you are very well diversified) Keep getting the word out!!! Just like network marketing "recruit" more people, share with everyone, in your businesses, on the streets, in the grocerey store... the sooner the masses are awakened the better, most want to snooze a little longer, keep sounding the alarm. We may initially seem a little nuts, but when you can show people whats happening they will listen. You can't give them stories you can't prove, but you can show them proof of what we here all know is happening. You have to arm them with "truth", "facts", "tangible evidence" and they will carry the battle forward. "LET"S ROLL" |
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Corona
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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Location: the New London CT |
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:54 am
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60s TV show Batman - "Steady...Robin...old...chum..." 
Hey, look at the current satellite radars of Wilma. Notice a strong band to the left of Wilma running sorta Northeast in a straight line (opposite the direction of the Southwest rain bands on the left side of Wilma) like it's pushing Wilma.
Fred Flinstone bangs on his front door. - (bang bang bang) "Wiiiiiilmaaaaaa!" (bang bang bang) |
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Corona
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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Location: the New London CT |
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:20 am
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I hope you do. Because it looked "out of strength" when they aired it. |
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