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newtonnjd
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I agree that it's within the realms of possibility that the US gov would try to fake the moon landings. But I haven't seen enough strong evidence to support it. Certainly nothing like the overwhelming evidence against 9/11, for example. |
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KNOW-THIS
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:40 pm
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quote:
I agree that it's within the realms of possibility that the US gov would try to fake the moon landings. But I haven't seen enough strong evidence to support it.
Here's my take on the idea that it was faked and correct me if I'm wrong. Many people witnessed the actual launch firsthand right? So we know for sure that the Apollo 11 was at least sent up in to the sky and through the atmosphere. Most people, even the skeptics tend to agree with that much. The contention however is that instead of really going all the way to the moon, the spacecraft hovered somewhere in space while the actual hoax took place in a studio, am I right? My problem is this, wouldn't Russia or another country have called us on that bluff? Don't you think they would've been tracking it by means of radar and following its path quite closely? After all, one major aspect of the race to the moon was to establish technological superiority during the Cold War (Russia in particular) or at least make a statement of such. I'm no debunker but I have to be impartial on this one, I agree with newtonnjd that the evidence, and even common sense doesn't support the theory. I'd be more than happy to concede to being wrong though if someone can explain why.
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:49 am
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quote:
Originally posted by KNOW-THIS
The contention however is that instead of really going all the way to the moon, the spacecraft hovered somewhere in space while the actual hoax took place in a studio, am I right? My problem is this, wouldn't Russia or another country have called us on that bluff?
Good point... Perhaps an empty capsule to the moon while the men orbited. I dunno just a theory.. |
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flynfrog
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| Moon matter
Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:04 am
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Just a thought: Could it be possible that the USA (with our superior surveillance technology) knew about Yuri Gagarin parachuting to Earth outside of his capsule? If so, why didn’t we blow the whistle on them? Could there be a little quid-pro-quo, you take credit for the first manned spaceflight (that wasn’t completely accurate) and we’ll take credit for the first Moon landing (that wasn’t completely accurate)?
As for the major nations keeping this private consider this; if there is indeed a major conspiracy to cover up UFO activity around the globe, then there is already in place such a forum to talk between nations as to what the public should and shouldn’t know.
As for the rocket (the Apollo) going to the Moon and returning; how hard would it have been to send a sooped up missile to travel around the Moon? The mainstream Moon conspiracy theorists go with the theory that the astronauts were not on the rocket at all. How many people would have to be in on this one? The guy in the elevator and the guy in the van who drove them away? No one at mission control would have a clue, being inside a control room they relied strictly on the telemetry they received. One of the biggest fallacies I see in the debunkers cases is they all seem to think that an enormous amount of people have to be involved. Where as the conspiracy theorist realizes that it only takes a few key people to make it work. Every one else is legitimately doing their job.
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chickenlittle
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:16 pm
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Been a while since I have seen it but didn't one of the original astronauts
come forward and say that moon travel was bull???
I will try to find who that was again or maybe someone else here knows who I am speaking of?????I saw it on the ,I think  ( History or Discovery) channel a few years back
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newtonnjd
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:10 pm
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If you assume that Apollo 11 was faked, then wouldn't each Apollo mission after that have to be faked as well? Including the Apollo 13 crisis?
And if one of the astronauts had confessed, everyone would know about it. Also, I don't see how so many astronauts could be secretly persuaded to deceive the world and everyone they knew, not just at the time of the missions, but for the rest of their lives. |
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Et in Arcadia ego
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:13 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by newtonnjd
If you assume that Apollo 11 was faked, then wouldn't each Apollo mission after that have to be faked as well? Including the Apollo 13 crisis?
And if one of the astronauts had confessed, everyone would know about it. Also, I don't see how so many astronauts could be secretly persuaded to deceive the world and everyone they knew, not just at the time of the missions, but for the rest of their lives.
Loose lips sink ships..
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newtonnjd
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:54 pm
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Are you agreeing with me or not? I can't tell  |
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Et in Arcadia ego
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:02 pm
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My understanding of NASA is that the organization is historically rife with Masonry members.
Despite that, for the record, I believe we were on the Moon, but I haven't researched the counter-theories much, as honestly, I don't care much about it either way. Belief is a perilous and essentially 2nd hand replacement for quantified data, so I make it a habit to largely ignore even my own beliefs.
Now when someone says we can get to Alpha Centauri within a human lifespan, I'll be all attention..With ticket in hand.
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flynfrog
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:11 pm
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[quote="Et in Arcadia ego"][quote="newtonnjd"]If you assume that Apollo 11 was faked, then wouldn't each Apollo mission after that have to be faked as well? Including the Apollo 13 crisis?
And if one of the astronauts had confessed, everyone would know about it. Also, I don't see how so many astronauts could be secretly persuaded to deceive the world and everyone they knew, not just at the time of the missions, but for the rest of their lives.[/quote]
Loose lips sink ships..
[img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/245000/images/_248354_freemasonslogo150.jpg[/img][/quote]
It's refreshing to see that at least someone sees the power that these secret societies and oaths can wield. How powerful are these people? They can have their society logo put on their licence plate after approval from their local lodge, so that their police brethren know who they are dealing with. Even though they won't share with the public what it is they swear to in their private meetings.
I think "Gus" Grisom the only Non-Mason in the program died in a mysterious fire.
http://www.flynfrog.com/Essays/Freemason.html
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flynfrog
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| Why is China exporing the Moon?
Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:26 pm
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"China is expected to complete its first exploration of the moon in 2010 and will establish a base on the moon as we did in the South Pole and the North Pole," Ouyang Ziyuan, chief scientist of China's moon exploration programme, said at an exhibition on space technology, part of the ongoing second national science week."
Could China be the first nation to actually set foot on the Moon? Has technology finally come far enough (36 years later) to actually achieve this monumental feat? After all, there is no "Space Race" that would cause China to fake such a mission...
It is interesting to note that as a part of their planning they will be sending an unmanned vehicle to land and return before sending astronauts. Would this have been the logical progression if we had intended to send men there in 1969? After all we sent unmanned missions into space first. |
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soulcore
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:44 pm
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I've read much about the moon landing hoax, and really didn't have an opnion on it one way or another, until this past week reading about how China is worried about getting it's astronauts through the Van Allen Belt without them dying of radiation poisoning.
You would think we would have taken care of that back in the 60's. 
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