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BOB B
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Barium sterate'rocks' falling from Texas sky
 Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:11 pm
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Since @ 1998, I and others have noticed whitish chalk-like "rocks" on the side and in the middle of the road.I came to the conclusion, as did many, that this was someting falling from the many trucks that share our highways with us...that is, until My truck was stuck by a 4 inch "rock" on January 14.The impact cause a predictable dent(lol) and left chemical deposition in the paint.The insurance adjuster DIDN'T SEEM SKEPTICAL AT ALL about my story, and settled the claim without delay or questioning after I told him a white rock resembling off-white chalk had struck my vehicle and disintegrated upon impact.I can estimate the rocks velocity at the terminal free fall velocity because of my experience in the mechanical engineering field.The dent was pretty deep for a soft rock which disintegretd on impact to make, it was going at least 200 mph when it struck my vehicle, in my estimation.I would appreciate anyone else who has noticed anything similar to post their experiences here, because this phenomenon ,if it is related to chemtrails, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that what is happening is dangerous to people, animals and vehicles! |
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3T3L1
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:59 pm
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BOB B, you mentioned barium stearate rocks. By any chance, was that from a lab report? If so, we could have a smoking gun! (Well, a smoking rock, but you get the idea.) If there is a lab report, would you please post it? |
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BOB B
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:11 pm
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No lab reports as of yet, I have samples though, I guess I was a litle premature in my identification of the chemical composition of these rocks, but what convinced me was the fact that barium sterate is a surfacant and is used to produce a "sudsing" action in soap, and I discovered by accident these rocks have the same sudsing action.As with my "chemtrails linked to solar radiation" post, these observations are informal analysis of available data.I dont have the time in my life now to chart all of my findings or analyze every sample in a accredited laboratory, it would do no good anyway, I place my theories and data to encourage all of you to continue in your search for the truth |
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Duncan Kunz
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:54 pm
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Dear BobB,
Given your terminal velocity estimate of 200 mi/hr (89.4 m/sec) and using the acceleration resulting from the gravitational constant (8/9 m/sec/sec), you have probably already determined the time that the rock was falling - 9.12 sec.
Using the displacement equation S = (1/2 g) (t^2), You have probably also derived the altitude of the rock when it was released from the spray-plane: S = (4.9) (83.17) = 407.5 meters or 1,222.6 feet AGL.
I trust, with the aircraft being at such a low altitude, you were able to observe its type and markings as well.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 01-28-2002] |
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BOB B
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:01 pm
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Duncan, why would an intelligent man supposedly involved in the aerospace industry leave out aerodynamic drag in his calculations?!?!?!Some of those reading this forum may be that dense, but not all.These rocks reached a terminal velocity of @ 200 miles an hour because of there density is relatively low.HAVE A NICE DAY! |
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Duncan Kunz
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:20 pm
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Bob, I'm not 'supposedly' involved in the aerospace industry; I really am an aerospace bureaucrat (you can call me and find out!).
The reason that I left out aerodynamic drag was that I inferred some sort of significant density, inasmuch as the object put a dent in your truck.
Bear in mind that Ba(C18H35O2)2 has a specific gravity of 1.11 - 1.19, compared to 0.94 for ice.
But even if you (1) plug in atmospheric friction based on the rock's irregularities (I assumed, of course, that it was spherical) and (2) postulated its density of something like pumice (which is pretty light stuff), I can't see how the 'fudge factor' would be more than, say, 1.5.
So even if the rock in question was somewhat irregular and light, you would still end up with a purported altitude of, say (1,222 ft X 1.5) or less than two thousand feet.
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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BOB B
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:17 pm
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The formula for calculating deviation of the acceleration due to gravity from what is actually seen in an object falling withen our atomosphere is complex, almost impossible to deduce an objects altitude of origin(excuse my laymans terms here) from its terminal velocity.Although I realized the object which struck my truck was fairly dense, the stuff is only slightly denser than water, and as we all know, hailstones falling from over 30,000 ft reach a similar terminal velocity.The terminal velocity of @200mph is correct withen +/- 50mphAnd I based this estimate solely on obsevations and knowledge of hailstones, and their damaging effects on sheet metal.It would appear to me that this object had a similar density and point of origin altitude to commomn hailstones, and could have easily been mistaken for a hailstone, had the weather not been clear and material been embeded in the paint.What Im saying is that 200mph was just an estimate based upon experience |
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3T3L1
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:36 pm
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BOB B, you have fallen into Duncan's Trap of Endless Equations. Quick! Change the subject to guitar picking before you are swallowed up by mind-numbing engineer-type posts.
From one who has been there. |
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FLKook
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:49 pm
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Picking on Duncan is more fun than a chemtrail activist should be allowed to have.
You science types keep a lid on it over here or I'm moving this thread to the Science Forum, then 3T3 can really have her way with you.
BTW, BobB you mentioned that the rocks were along the road as well as the one that hit your car. Did you collect any of those to make sure they were the same? |
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Duncan Kunz
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:57 pm
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I've had it with all of you! I'm going out tonight and get drunk and forget all about the issues....as soon as I can find my pocket protector and glasses with the tape holding the lenses together.
And WHO TOOK MY SLIDE RULE???? |
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3T3L1
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:06 pm
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That's your pocket protractor with the tape holding it together, right, Duncan? 
And WHO TOOK MY SLIDE RULE????
I don't know, but they took mine, too. Just last night my younger son asked, "What's a logarithm, Mommy?" It almost brought a tear to my eye. 
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Deb
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Tue Jan 29, 2002 4:34 am
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Bob said, "I dont have the time in my life now to chart all of my findings or analyze every sample in a accredited laboratory, it would do no good anyway . . . . ."
But you believe, right? no tangible proof, not willing to go the extra mile, but you believe? |
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BOB B
Joined: 19 Jan 2002
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Tue Jan 29, 2002 4:59 am
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My reasoning behind saying it would be pointless to analyse the samples is that debunkers would simply say the samples were a fabrication,and that I am a liar, and then you'd see a new war for real!Many of these chunks of chalk like material have been collected by children for the purpose of writing on sidewalks and other objects. |
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Deb
Joined: 04 Oct 2001
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Tue Jan 29, 2002 5:11 am
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Bob, somewhere on this board is a post from a fella, calls himself Trailology or soemthing like that. He discusses "chain of posession" for submitting samples. If you did it right and provided a certified lab report that can be proven, how could we say you lied? We have been asking for this for 3 years now, and so far, it hasn't materialized. All's we want is proof that the things claiming to come from "chemtrails"
that is, barium, aluminum or blood cells are factual and provable. The burden of proof is on the person(s) making the accusation.
If there is that much of these rocks around your area, there has to be an explanation of their origin. I would start with contacting your local highway department or whomever is responsible for the roads or streets. |
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theseeker
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Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:58 am
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seems to me, and excuse me if I'm wrong, but duncan is caught up in the velocity of the said material 200 mph and assuming the size of the implied dent, the size of the dent will tell more than a guess would, so measuring it depth and width is what is needed, and density of the metal, of course the insurance estimate in dollars would say something too.....maybe instead of taking the quote of 200 mph, you (duncan) used a material falling from say 300 mb, of the approximating the size and weight,figuring the depth and width of the dent, and sheet metal density, and if the vehicle was moving or sitting still (info provided by bob), and then propose the equation for dissemination....
mathmatics the universal language
T/S
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