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Thermit
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Why I think Chemtrails are Real...
 Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:09 am
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http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
This research was initiated essentially as a challenge from the debunker crowd, to use Flight Explorer to learn what was really going on. The implied idea being that this tool was sufficient to impart knowledge that could be used to disprove the Chemtrail concept. I took the challenge. I used the tool for several months, sharing the results of my initial research and correcting errors in my own thinking on the topic. For example, I found that contrails can last longer than the 5 minute maximum often erroneously attributed to contrails. After several months of familiarizing myself with Flight Explorer, I begain a detailed analysis of the trails in the sky. After several months of data collection and analysis of the data, it appeared that both the debunkers, who said "all is normal", and at least some of the Chemtrailers, who said that practically every trail they saw was a Chemtrail, were wrong. Most of the trails visible in the sky are contrails from passenger, commercial or private jet traffic. Contrails were observed and documented to persist for up to half an hour. However, it was also found that there were jets, appearing to be military in origin, that, in addition to a normal contrail, sometimes also left strips of highly persistent trails. These highly persistent trail strips were found to only come from the unidentifiable jets (military). Also, these strips had a persistence factor that was magnitudes of order higher than the highest persistence of contrails (from identified or unidentified) at any altitude for a given time period. Actually they were much higher in persistence than just about any contrail on any day. This phenomenon is entirely consistent with what one would observe seeing a hypothetical jet releasing a controlled amount of some substance. And these highly persistent trails happen to be associated with only the unidentified jets, which are most certainly military.
Now of course since most Chemtrailers are interested in what is in the Chemtrails, as opposed to their existence, this research was welcomed, but was no great surprise to them. The debunker crowd, which could have gleaned some new information from this painstakingly collected research, generally found nothing of interest. Duncan Kunz (a debunker), did state that, based on the data, there was a very high correlation between the unidentified jets and the highly persistent trails, and that there must be a reason and he is most certainly right. Other debunkers dismissed the research because observations were not taken 24 hours a day. That just seems like an excuse to avoid looking at the implications of the research. Other debunkers attempted to attack my methods, and pointed out assumed flaws, however after explaining that they were mistaken and why, and how they should have been able to realize their mistake from the data alone, they apologized and retracted their pronouncement of "worthless research". Maybe if they spent more time examining the results, instead of dismissing or attacking, they might learn something. I certainly did...
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From nilkin's board...
http://pub37.ezboard.com/fchemtrailstruthothoaxfrm2.showMessage?topicID=3.topic |
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roman
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 2:31 am
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I agree with you 100% Thermit.On the days that they spray us like Roaches here in the valley the trails last most of the day and usually by noon we have a total white out. On the few days that we have clear skys the jets that I see and hear leave a narrower trail that lasts just about a half a hour or so.depending on altitude and conditions.I havent decided just what they are up to for myself yet but you can bet by the level of denile by TPTB it most likely is not going to be something good for the little people.roman... |
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Lulu
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:02 am
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These highly persistent trail strips were found to only come from the unidentifiable jets (military).
And that is why the debunkers cannot debunk this outstanding piece of evidence, and why they cowardly choose to ignore the obvious, the truth, while pointing fingers at the "crazy" lot of us.
Their transparency and obssessive interest in a non-issue speaks volumes.
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BOB B
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:51 pm
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Thernmit, I am just a little confused on your conclusion that all chemtrail-producing planes are military....did you reach this conclusion because they do not show up on your"flight explorer"??Or was it by obserbvation from the ground??The reason I asked is because I doubt planes at high altitudes can be positively identified as military.The fact that they do not show up on "flight explorer"DOES NOT NESSESARILY MEAN THAT THEY ARE MILITARY FLIGHTS! |
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BOB B
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:52 pm
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THERMIT*--SORRY BUD! |
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Thermit
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:52 pm
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quote:
The fact that they do not show up on "flight explorer" DOES NOT NESSESARILY MEAN THAT THEY ARE MILITARY FLIGHTS!
Bob, no need to shout. Given this, which is taken from the report...
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All flights utilizing IFR (instrument flight rules) submit a flight plan to one of the regional ARTCCs (air route traffic control centers), this information becomes part of the FAA supplied datastream that is used by Flight Explorer. Aircraft flying via VFR (visible flight rules) are not part of the datastream, however this is irrelevant to this study since the lowest altitude at which contrailing was observed during research was 31,000 ft. and there are no VFR flights allowed in a Class A airspace, above 18,000 ft.
And the fact, that these planes did contrail (in addition to leaving the highly persistent trail strips), and the fact that contrailing only occured in Class A airspace during my research period, it is quite obvious that any plane not showing up, they certainly are most likely military. Of course, if the NWO has their own squad of jets, then these wouldn't show up either, and it could theoretically be the NWO jets, but I don't believe in such a thing.
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BOB B
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 9:42 pm
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Capitolization in this case was for emphasis, not to indicate shouting Thermit...I guess I should have italicized!!..but I do not have the knowledge required to do so,as I am only an mechanical engineer, not a computerhead!!See ya in da forum,Thermit. |
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Thermit
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Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:34 pm
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Okay, excused for not being a computerhead!!  |
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Anne
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Fri Feb 01, 2002 8:39 am
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Something hit me when I was reading this thread. If only military planes are forming chemtrails, what are they putting in their fuel? Is it a way to track these planes or are they spraying some type of shields or substance use with HAARP? Guess my mind is going this late! |
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3T3L1
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Fri Feb 01, 2002 3:22 pm
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Very good question, Anne. If you can make yourself read the technical language in the Science Forum, check out the last few posts under "Fuel Dumps" and under "JP-8+100 Jet Fuel." I may have found the smoking gun. |
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KnewEyes
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Fri Feb 01, 2002 3:52 pm
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One more reason to question what is going on up there in the sky from a completely visual point of view is this.... When I travel anywhere domestically, I always try to return home on the latest flight I can, so that I can enjoy my vacation spot to the last moment. I don't care what time my flight arrives home, but it is RARELY after 1 am in the morning. I would take a flight at 1am in the morning if they offered it to me, so that I could arrive home at 3-4-5 in the morning, but flights are not scheduled for that time,, so I can't.
So,, why when I am awake at 4-5-6 am in the morning and I look at the sky, why is it LAMBLASTED with trails going everywhich way, up and down,, back and forth, crisscrossed,, you know the familiar scene. Who the heck is flying around up there and why does the flight patterns seem to be over EVERY TOWN and city in the area? Are there Really hundreds and hundreds of flights arriving and departing in the wee hours of the morning as the skys suggest they are? Who runs these flights? Howcome I can never get a flight during those hours of the day? |
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3T3L1
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Fri Feb 01, 2002 4:46 pm
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With apologies to Paul Newman:
Fuel drops keep fallin' on my head
And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin' seems to fit
Those fuel drops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'
So I just did me some talkin' to the sun
And I said I didn't like the way he got things done
Sleepin' on the job
Those fuel drops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'
But there's one thing I know
The blues they send to meet me won't defeat me
It won't be long till happiness steps up to greet me
Fuel drops keep fallin' on my head
But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turnin' red
Cryin's not for me
'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complainin'
Because I'm free,
Nothin's worryin' me
It won't be long till happiness steps up to greet me
Fuel drops keep fallin' on my head
But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turnin' red
Cryin's not for me
'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complainin'
Because I'm free
Nothin's worryin' me
[I removed the wav file so this page will load more quickly.]
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Dan Rockwell
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Sat Feb 02, 2002 1:09 am
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Now that's a good Chemtrail song parady. You should put that to music and send it off to Art Bell. - I'm almost sure he'll play it. |
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3T3L1
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Sat Feb 02, 2002 1:54 am
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Thanks, Dan! It was inspired by the following newspaper article. You can submit it to Art if you like. 
In February, 2001, near the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport, dumped fuel fell like rain:
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It's raining jet fuel near Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and some residents have decided the precipitation is unwelcome.
The latest dumping came when the crew of American Airlines Flight 157 saw a warning light and began to release fuel. The plane later made an emergency landing.
"Fuel had to be dumped to ensure a safe landing, said American spokesman Gus Whitcomb.
But he said jet fuel dumping is not dangerous because most of the chemicals dissipate in the atmosphere.
The mother of 4-year-old Jacob Harrison isn't so sure. Jacob was playing by himself in his backyard Saturday when the fuel began falling.
``He was literally damp. He had a coat and a hat on. He was damp from the falling of it,'' said Flower Mound resident Missi Harrison.
As she watched in front of the house with a friend, ``the jet fuel was literally sprinkling like rain.''
So Harrison immediately removed Jacob's coat and hat, then gave her son a bath. Her friend Michelle Phipps, a former military helicopter crew member from Lewisville, knew the smell.
http://www.airdisaster.com/news/0201/13/news.shtml |
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theseeker
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Sat Feb 02, 2002 8:16 am
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3,
I found another article on the fuel dump, and thought it might be interesting to post it right under the one you posted for comparison...
Fort Worth Star-Telegram (TX)
February 13, 2001
Section: METRO
Edition: NORTHEAST
Page: 1
Jet fuel ignites a few tempers in Flower Mound
Bryon Okada
Star-Telegram Staff Writer
On Saturday afternoon, 4-year-old Jacob Harrison was picking up sticks in his Creekside Estates back yard when it began to pour.
Jet fuel.
"It wasn't like a mist. It was a full-fledged rain, falling down about the size of a quarter," said Missi Harrison, Jacob's mother.
The dumping of jet fuel was prompted by a warning light that indicated a fire in the cargo compartment of an American Airlines Boeing 777. The plane had just taken off from Dallas/Fort Worth Airport.
To land safely at the airport, the pilot immediately emptied the fuel tank. The plane, carrying 210 passengers and 16 crew members, returned to D/FW, and it was determined that no fire had occurred.
But the fuel residue left on some Flower Mound and Lewisville neighborhoods angered some residents and prompted airline officials to study why the fuel did not evaporate in the atmosphere.
Jacob does not appear to be injured, his mother said Monday.
American Airlines officials are trying to assess the damage caused by the fuel dump.
A mostly sunny but 32-degree midmorning, combined with 64 percent humidity, probably caused the fuel to evaporate more slowly.
"Things do not evaporate as well in moisture-laden air as they do in dry air," said Jim Maxwell, a meteorologist for the National Weather Service in Fort Worth.
Another factor was 5 mph winds that did not dissipate the fuel as a windier day would have, officials said.
Flower Mound Police Department received eight calls about the kerosene-smelling fuel. Residents were referred to D/FW Airport, which in turn referred calls to American Airlines. Some residents lost their tempers.
An automated report was sent to the Federal Aviation Administration certificate management office, but no outside reports were received. That means no one in the public reported the incident to the FAA, officials said.
Jet fuel dumps are rare and come with little warning because they typically happen when a flight has an emergency shortly after takeoff and must turn around.
International flights, such as the one Saturday that was headed to Osaka, Japan, are often laden with fuel for long trips. That makes the jetliner too heavy to land safely.
On the coasts, some planes will circle over the ocean to dump fuel, but the D/FW Airport area has no designated places to drop fuel. Airline officials say it is less safe to spend time circling, particularly when a fire warning light is activated.
Meanwhile, Flower Mound and Lewisville residents are coping with one more aspect of living near D/FW. The airport is a driving force behind the region's booming population and affluent jobs, of which Flower Mound is a prime recipient.
Even after the town was doused with jet fuel, Flower Mound residents and officials say D/FW is a good neighbor.
"It's certainly an isolated incident," town spokesman Michael Ryan said. "We have many residents who live here who work for the airlines or work for the airport itself. Our close proximity to the airport certainly provides more benefits than drawbacks."
For Missi Harrison, the unexpected benefit of the incident is that she has become closer to her Creekside Estates neighbors. Many of them are pilots who were more than willing to provide aviation information.
"We found out things, like they needed to quickly dump 30,000 to 40,000 pounds of fuel, and the pilots explained that while they were sorry, it was a necessary thing to do," Harrison said.
"Everybody is walking on land here, and you hear the noise above, mostly you think about the noise pollution," she said. "Then all of a sudden the jet fuel is spilled on top of you, and you feel the two worlds have collided. But jet fuel is better than an exploding airplane."
FAA hot line
Anyone who wants to make a report or a complaint about jet fuel dumps or other safety-related issues should call the Federal Aviation Administration hot line at (800) 255-1111.
Bryon Okada, (817) 685-3853 okada@star-telegram.com
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Copyright 2001 Star-Telegram, Inc.
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