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Dems Shut Down Senate PostTue Nov 01, 2005 11:57 pm  Reply with quote  

http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005/11/breaking_news_d.htm


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The Democrats have shut down the Senate, demanding to know what happened to the promise to investigate how intelligence was used or misused leading up to the Iraq war. Turn on your TV.

They have used a special rule allowing them to call for the Senate to go into secret closed session.

Update - The Dems have said that they will continue to shut down the Senate EVERY SINGLE DAY until the Republicans agree to allow investigation how we got into the war. (Note - Every channel I turn to has Republicans on, explaining how terrible this all is and how it is bad for the country and how the Democrats are under the control of leftists, etc. Not a single Democrat on any cable network.)

Update - DEMS IMMEDIATELY WIN - there will be an investigation! More coming soon.

Senator Reid has issued a statement. (I am adding emphasis at key points) This may be the strongest statement I have read from a national leader.

Statement by Senator Reid
Troops and Security First
This past weekend, we witnessed the indictment of the I. Lewis Libby, the Vice President’s Chief of Staff and a senior Advisor to President Bush. Libby is the first sitting White House staffer to be indicted in 135 years. This indictment raises very serious charges. It asserts this Administration engaged in actions that both harmed our national security and are morally repugnant. The decision to place U.S. soldiers in harm’s way is the most significant responsibility the Constitution invests in the Congress. The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really about: how the Administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions. As a result of its improper conduct, a cloud now hangs over this Administration. This cloud is further darkened by the Administration’s mistakes in prisoner abuse scandal, Hurricane Katrina, and the cronyism and corruption in numerous agencies. And, unfortunately, it must be said that a cloud also hangs over this Republican-controlled Congress for its unwillingness to hold this Republican Administration accountable for its misdeeds on all of these issues. Let’s take a look back at how we got here with respect to Iraq Mr. President. The record will show that within hours of the terrorist attacks on 9/11, senior officials in this Administration recognized these attacks could be used as a pretext to invade Iraq. The record will also show that in the months and years after 9/11, the Administration engaged in a pattern of manipulation of the facts and retribution against anyone who got in its way as it made the case for attacking Iraq. There are numerous examples of how the Administration misstated and manipulated the facts as it made the case for war. Administration statements on Saddam’s alleged nuclear weapons capabilities and ties with Al Qaeda represent the best examples of how it consistently and repeatedly manipulated the facts. The American people were warned time and again by the President, the Vice President, and the current Secretary of State about Saddam’s nuclear weapons capabilities. The Vice President said Iraq “has reconstituted its nuclear weapons.” Playing upon the fears of Americans after September 11, these officials and others raised the specter that, left unchecked, Saddam could soon attack America with nuclear weapons. Obviously we know now their nuclear claims were wholly inaccurate. But more troubling is the fact that a lot of intelligence experts were telling the Administration then that its claims about Saddam’s nuclear capabilities were false.

The situation was very similar with respect to Saddam’s links to Al Qaeda. The Vice President told the American people, “We know he’s out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know he has a longstanding relationship with various terrorist groups including the Al Qaeda organization.”

The Administration’s assertions on this score have been totally discredited. But again, the Administration went ahead with these assertions in spite of the fact that the government’s top experts did not agree with these claims.

What has been the response of this Republican-controlled Congress to the Administration’s manipulation of intelligence that led to this protracted war in Iraq? Basically nothing. Did the Republican-controlled Congress carry out its constitutional obligations to conduct oversight? No. Did it support our troops and their families by providing them the answers to many important questions? No. Did it even attempt to force this Administration to answer the most basic questions about its behavior? No.

Unfortunately the unwillingness of the Republican-controlled Congress to exercise its oversight responsibilities is not limited to just Iraq. We see it with respect to the prisoner abuse scandal. We see it with respect to Katrina. And we see it with respect to the cronyism and corruption that permeates this Administration.

Time and time again, this Republican-controlled Congress has consistently chosen to put its political interests ahead of our national security. They have repeatedly chosen to protect the Republican Administration rather than get to the bottom of what happened and why.

There is also another disturbing pattern here, namely about how the Administration responded to those who challenged its assertions. Time and again this Administration has actively sought to attack and undercut those who dared to raise questions about its preferred course.

For example, when General Shinseki indicated several hundred thousand troops would be needed in Iraq, his military career came to an end. When then OMB Director Larry Lindsay suggested the cost of this war would approach $200 billion, his career in the Administration came to an end. When U.N. Chief Weapons Inspector Hans Blix challenged conclusions about Saddam’s WMD capabilities, the Administration pulled out his inspectors. When Nobel Prize winner and IAEA head Mohammed el-Baridei raised questions about the Administration’s claims of Saddam’s nuclear capabilities, the Administration attempted to remove him from his post. When Joe Wilson stated that there was no attempt by Saddam to acquire uranium from Niger, the Administration launched a vicious and coordinated campaign to demean and discredit him, going so far as to expose the fact that his wife worked as a CIA agent.

Given this Administration’s pattern of squashing those who challenge its misstatements, what has been the response of this Republican-controlled Congress? Again, absolutely nothing. And with their inactions, they provide political cover for this Administration at the same time they keep the truth from our troops who continue to make large sacrifices in Iraq.

This behavior is unacceptable. The toll in Iraq is as staggering as it is solemn. More than 2,000 Americans have lost their lives. Over 90 Americans have paid the ultimate sacrifice this month alone – the fourth deadliest month since the war began. More than 15,000 have been wounded. More than 150,000 remain in harm’s way. Enormous sacrifices have been and continue to be made.

The troops and the American people have a right to expect answers and accountability worthy of that sacrifice. For example, 40 Senate Democrats wrote a substantive and detailed letter to the President asking four basic questions about the Administration’s Iraq policy and received a four sentence answer in response. These Senators and the American people deserve better.

They also deserve a searching and comprehensive investigation about how the Bush Administration brought this country to war. Key questions that need to be answered include:

o How did the Bush Administration assemble its case for war against Iraq?
o Who did Bush Administration officials listen to and who did they ignore?
o How did senior Administration officials manipulate or manufacture intelligence presented to the Congress and the American people?
o What was the role of the White House Iraq Group or WHIG, a group of senior White House officials tasked with marketing the war and taking down its critics?
o How did the Administration coordinate its efforts to attack individuals who dared to challenge the Administration’s assertions?
o Why has the Administration failed to provide Congress with the documents that will shed light on their misconduct and misstatements?

Unfortunately the Senate committee that should be taking the lead in providing these answers is not. Despite the fact that the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee publicly committed to examine many of these questions more than 1 and ½ years ago, he has chosen not to keep this commitment. Despite the fact that he restated that commitment earlier this year on national television, he has still done nothing.

At this point, we can only conclude he will continue to put politics ahead of our national security. If he does anything at this point, I suspect he will play political games by producing an analysis that fails to answer any of these important questions. Instead, if history is any guide, this analysis will attempt to disperse and deflect blame away from the Administration.

We demand that the Intelligence Committee and other committees in this body with jurisdiction over these matters carry out a full and complete investigation immediately as called for by Democrats in the committee’s annual intelligence authorization report. Our troops and the American people have sacrificed too much. It is time this Republican-controlled Congress put the interests of the American people ahead of their own political interests.

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Democrats detail times efforts to examine intel were blocked PostWed Nov 02, 2005 12:00 am  Reply with quote  

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democrats_detail_times_their_efforts_to_1101.htm

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For more than two years, Senate Democrats have pressed Republicans to address the misuse of intelligence. At every turn, Republicans have blocked efforts to investigate how intelligence was used in the run-up to the war in Iraq. Below details the long record established by Democrats to investigate this matter.

March 14, 2003 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Director Mueller requesting an investigation into the origin of the Niger documents.
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May 23, 2003 – Senators Roberts and Rockefeller sent a letter to the CIA and State Department Inspectors General to review issues related to the Niger documents.

June 2, 2003 – Senator Rockefeller issued a press release endorsing a statement made of the previous weekend by Senator Warner calling for a joint SSCI/SASC investigation.

June 4, 2003 – Senator Rockefeller issued a press release saying he would push for an investigation. Senator Roberts issued a press release saying calls for an investigation are premature.

June 10, 2003 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Senator Roberts asking for an investigation.

June 11, 2003 – All Committee Democrats signed a letter to Senator Roberts asking for a meeting of the Committee to discuss the question of authorizing an inquiry into the intelligence that formed the basis for going to war.

June 11, 2003 – Senator Roberts issued a press release saying this is routine committee oversight, and that criticism of the intelligence community is unwarranted. Senator Rockefeller issued a press release calling the ongoing review inadequate.

June 20, 2003 – Senators Roberts and Rockefeller issued a joint press release laying out the scope of the inquiry.

August 13, 2003 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Senator Roberts making 14 points about the investigation, asking to expand the inquiry to address the “use of intelligence by policy makers” and asking for several other actions.

September 9, 2003 – After press reports quoting Senator Roberts as saying the investigation was almost over, Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Senator Roberts urging him not to rush to complete the investigation prematurely. October 29, 2003 – Senators Roberts and Rockefeller sent a letter to Director Tenet expressing in strong terms that he should provide documents that have been requested and make individuals available.

October 30, 2003 – Senators Roberts and Rockefeller sent letters to Secretaries Rumsfeld and Powell, and National Security Advisor Rice expressing in strong terms that they should provide documents that have been requested and make individuals available.

October 31, 2003 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Director Tenet asking for documents related to the interaction between intelligence and policy makers, including the documents from the Vice President’s office related to the Powell speech.

November 2, 2003 – Senator Roberts made statements during a joint television appearance with Senator Rockefeller claiming that the White house would provide all documents they jointly requested.

December 5, 2003 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to National Security Advisor Rice asking for her help getting documents and access to individuals.

January 22, 2004 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Director Tenet asking for compliance with the Oct. 31 request for documents.

February 12, 2004 – Senators Roberts and Rockefeller issued a joint press release announcing the Committee’s unanimous approval of the expansion of the Iraq review, to include use of intelligence in the form of public statements, and listing other aspects of what became Phase II.

March 23, 2004 – Senator Rockefeller sent yet another letter to Director Tenet asking for compliance with the Oct. 31 request for documents.

June 17, 2004 – Senators Roberts and Rockefeller joint press release announcing the unanimous approval of the report.

July 16, 2004 – Committee Democrats sent a letter to Bush asking for the one page summary of the NIE prepared for Bush. The Committee staff had been allowed to review it but could not take notes and the Committee was never given a copy.

February 3, 2005 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Senator Roberts outlining Committee priorities for the coming year and encouraging completion of Phase II.

August 5, 2005 – Senator Rockefeller sent a letter to Senator Roberts expressing concern over the lack of progress on Phase II and calling for a draft to be presented to the Committee at a business meeting in September.

September 29, 2005 – All Committee Democrats joined in additional views to the annual Intelligence Authorization Bill criticizing the lack of progress on Phase II.
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 12:08 am  Reply with quote  

I didn't realize it was the Dems calling for the closed session.
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 12:47 am  Reply with quote  

It was Reid. I was watching him give an interview on CNN right before I left work and he was letting it ALL hang out..

Shady intellegence
No Iraqi connection to al qaida
No WMD's
No exit plan from Iraq
No congressional oversight

If there are any good guys left in congress at all, they're not going to be able to handle this on their own; it's really getting to be time for people to get off their asses and start making some demands to EVERYONE about EVERYTHING.

Tell the MSM what you think of them. Tell your elected officials what you think of them. Tell these c#cksucking corprorations what you think of them. Start SERIOUSLY boycotting companies like walmart. Tell people why. Be aggressive about it. Let your indignation be apparent to everyone around you..

Look, the last time this country had to deal with some $#@#! there were close to 700,000 US casualties; and they were WAY more patriotic back then then the majority of us are now. You might as well dismiss the notion of things getting ironed out on their own, or the wishful thinking that someone else will do the dirty work, cause everyone's waiting for everyone to make the first move, and it'll be too late if we all sit on our asses much longer.

We all need to stop thiking about the safety of just our loved ones, this tunnel vision will only make them more vulnerable in the future.

If you want your family to be safe tommorrow, then you'd better start making some noise, and I mean ALOT OF IT.

NOW.
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 1:42 am  Reply with quote  

Hear! Hear!

I have already boycotted all of the MSM. The evening news has not hit my tele for months. I have also hardly purchased much of anything.. Although that has to do alot with money then princepal. But what I do buy is carefully selected.

I am sending a thank you to Ried. And a few nastigrams to my senators. As far as the MSM, blah f*&k them all. But perhaps an email blitz by a few million people could change some of their minds. Doubtfull but who knows.
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 1:55 am  Reply with quote  

Don't limit yourself to simply not watching MSM. Call your cable provider and request that the channels be removed from your service and explain why you don't wish to have them anymore. Talk to your friends and tell them to do the same. Alot of apathetic people that don't pay any attention to begin with would not miss a channel the can request to be removed as well. The numbers will add up.

It's warfare, man. There's a thousand different ways to strike back. We should have a sticky thread focusing on things like this that we can do that won't get us ground under the teeth of the Patriot Act.

There's alot of creative thinkers here.

Let's hear some ideas, people.

And yes, that means the lurkers as well.

SPEAK UP!
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 1:56 am  Reply with quote  

Here is a form to email Ried. Take 2 mins and thank him

http://reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 2:07 am  Reply with quote  

I've spoken to everyone how cares to listen. I will say I am abouot 20% in changing/opening peoples eyes. Not bad I guess, especailly when you are saying things like 9/11 was done to you by your own gov't. That is a hard pill to sallow.

But the fight does contiune and I will contiune to write and talk to anyone who will give me the time of day.
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 2:41 am  Reply with quote  

This is a good thing. Kucinich is starting to hammer them from the Congressional side. Where are the F**king Demo ass wipes, Clinton, Lieberman, Kerry, and all the other Demublicans who voted for the Patriot Act and War?
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 3:58 am  Reply with quote  

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Originally posted by Et in Arcadia ego


It's warfare, man. There's a thousand different ways to strike back. We should have a sticky thread focusing on things like this that we can do that won't get us ground under the teeth of the Patriot Act.

There's alot of creative thinkers here.

Let's hear some ideas, people.

And yes, that means the lurkers as well.

SPEAK UP!


I'll start it

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg91799.html#91799
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not clear enough............. PostWed Nov 02, 2005 1:27 pm  Reply with quote  

Sorry I left this info also but wasn't clear enough I guess:
I do have a question,I hear boycott main stream media and then hear that you are watching CNN ???
I do not claim to not watch it and when I posted this info earlier it was as it happened so I didn't know the exacts yet just thought maybe others who could would maybe tune in if so desired.
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Re: not clear enough............. PostWed Nov 02, 2005 3:54 pm  Reply with quote  

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Originally posted by chickenlittle
Sorry I left this info also but wasn't clear enough I guess:
I do have a question,I hear boycott main stream media and then hear that you are watching CNN ???
I do not claim to not watch it and when I posted this info earlier it was as it happened so I didn't know the exacts yet just thought maybe others who could would maybe tune in if so desired.
chicky


heh..

Actually, I'm pretty sure I indicated who I would personally reject, which was Fox, for it's incredible distortions of reality and pushing of state egenda, but all MSM corporations are guilty to a point. From a long standing habit I retriev my AP news from CNN, but I don't rely on them very much beyond what they have on their site that can be confirmed by other news sources.

One thing I noticed since becoming more aware is that aside from the huge headline stuff, you can typically see about 80% of all relevent news there 24-72 hours earlier at places like democraticunderground.com, which is ALSO instructive, becuase when you get the news in it's raw form and then see it a few days later in a pre-digested state, it's instructive to examine what elements are missing or embelished on.

I like to know what they want me thinking about just as much as I want to know the truth.
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 5:51 pm  Reply with quote  

When I tell people "don't watch it", what I'm really saying is "don't believe what you're hearing". I sometimes go behind enemy lines just so I can debunk it and then bring the truth out. Foxnewshounds motto: "we watch Fox so you don't have to". Fox News is only a threat because there are suckers out there who lap their $#@#! up and as the saying goes, there's a new one born every minute. There are also those who deep down know that it's $#@#! but it makes them feel better about being the gluttonous self-aggrandizing pigs that they are to believe it. I say, don't watch it if you don't know what you're looking at. If you do, use that knowledge to inform others. Sometimes that entails watching it, documenting it, and exposing the errors.

As far as the closed session, Fox is assuring its audience that this is just another disrespectful publicity stunt.
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Faux news...... I agree, is suck PostWed Nov 02, 2005 6:19 pm  Reply with quote  

O.k so I am on the same page, just wasn't sure.
I totally agree with the replys.
I do try to see what they are saying now and again,but I personally like Bellacio for articles and as you had said Et, oddly enough I always catch a bit of the msm news and find myself saying that I already knew that thanks to such sites as the Bellacio.
I would say that even the msnbc is like watching a news cast version of the Enquirer or something,it is as though they can't wait for a city to find some dead girls body they can discuss,like they thrive on it.
o.k thanks for the reply
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PostWed Nov 02, 2005 8:44 pm  Reply with quote  


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...oddly enough I always catch a bit of the msm news and find myself saying that I already knew that thanks to such sites as the Bellacio.


I hate to make excuses but for many ass busting, blue collar, grueling labor Americans after 40-50 hours of back-breaking work there's just not much time left over to do their own research. Especially when there's needful families to care for and other pressing matters to attend to. Unfortunately these people only have enough time to switch to CNN or MSNBC, or even worse FOX for a briefing on what's going down in current events. That's when the often sloppy, misleading and sensationalist MSM is at it's worst and I feel takes full advantage of people. There are also those who are just too intellectually sedentary to take the initiative to dig beneath the surface of the propaganda. That strain of the masses with the sheep mentality scares me the most. Fox news thrives amongst this particular crowd. They don't call it "Pravda for republicans" for no reason.
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