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Fruitcakes in San Fransico ban handguns!!!!!!!
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San Francisco Approves Handgun Ban
Newsmax | November 9 2005
Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters.
The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses.
Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans.
With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it.
Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April.
A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law.
The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against.
The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding.
It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults.
"We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition. |
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:59 am
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Whatever you think of guns, it is Un-Constitutional, the same as banning Gay Marriage or The Patriot Act itself.
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:32 am
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These sofheaded, fruity, feel-good IDIOTS just dont know statistics.
Crime goes DOWN when the population is well armed.
Criminals do NOT look for a victim when they know they might just get blasted
if they walk into someones house.
Now only CRIMINALS in S.F. will have guns (from the black market).
Expect the crime rate in S.F. to go up folks. |
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:12 am
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This is somewhat true. Countries in Scandanavia have far fewer guns, and far fewer gun crimes per capita than the USA. This is of course not true in Switzerland where practically everyone is armed, and crime is low, except in Zurich, which has more of a drug problem.
What you say is true in the USA. Cities that have stricted Gun Control have more crimes. and armed cities do have less crime.
We'll have to wait and see if San Francisco's crime goes up. The surrounding towns certainly have.
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/11/MNGFMFMNV41.DTL
Talk host's towering rant: S.F. not worth saving
Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, November 11, 2005
Conservative talk-show host Bill O'Reilly is ready to scratch San Francisco off the map of the United States. Gone. Coit Tower? Terrorists can blow it up, and the rest of the country shouldn't care.
The Fox News talk-show host and one-man conservative media juggernaut has concluded that the United States and San Francisco just don't go together anymore. Voting to oppose military recruitment in public schools and to ban handgun ownership, as San Franciscans did Tuesday, means the city should be cut off from federal dollars. And then some.
"You know, if I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium and I say, 'Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds,' " O'Reilly said Tuesday on his radio show as San Franciscans were approving the two measures. Perhaps, he didn't realize that he'd be speaking mostly to foreign tourists and suburbanites if he were standing in Union Square.
"Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead," O'Reilly went on. "And if al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead."
San Franciscans might be offended by this invitation, or perhaps even threatened, if more of them visited Coit Tower.
On a cool gray Thursday afternoon, the San Francisco landmark was filled, as usual, with tourists from Ohio, Texas and other states where TV's "The O'Reilly Factor" and its syndicated radio companion, "The Radio Factor," pull better ratings than in San Francisco.
When visitors were told of O'Reilly's remarks, several had the same question: "Why would he say that?"
The few locals found at the tower had another: "Who's Bill O'Reilly again?"
Those familiar with O'Reilly tried to put the comment in context.
"The man is a sensationalist fool," said Paul Hickey, a 76-year-old visiting from Texas.
"He's irritating," said his wife, Judy Hickey, 67.
Others interpreted the remark as O'Reilly's trademark brand of hyperbole. His mastery of this form of entertainment has made him a best-selling author and top-rated talk-show host.
"I just think he's blowing wind," said Jim Adelman, 64, visiting from Ohio.
Reaction came swiftly from City Hall, which has taken other arrows in the aftermath of Tuesday's election. Thursday on KNEW-AM -- O'Reilly's Bay Area radio home -- conservative talk-show host Jeff Katz ripped handgun-measure supporters on San Francisco's "Board of Stupidadvisors."
Board of, uh, Supervisors President Aaron Peskin, whose district includes Coit Tower, suggested that O'Reilly should get his head examined.
"It sounds like he's on the same medication Rush Limbaugh is addicted to, and he should go see a therapist,'' Peskin said.
Mayor Gavin Newsom said, "I've never been impressed with what he's had to say, and I'm not impressed now. Consider the source. Remember, this is the guy who wanted me arrested after (San Francisco sanctioned same-sex marriages last year). He never let his opinion get in the way of the facts."
Imagine if O'Reilly had read the plaque on the front of Coit Tower, which describes its benefactor and namesake, Lillie Hitchcock Coit, as a woman "who smoked cigars and often dressed as a man to gamble in North Beach saloons."
Then again, Coit Tower fans should not feel special about being singled out. This isn't the first time O'Reilly has discussed the destruction of a famous building on the air with an aural twinkle in his eye.
In September, a couple of weeks after Hurricane Katrina damaged the Gulf Coast, O'Reilly used the natural disaster to poke fun at one of his favorite targets, the United Nations.
"Bush addressed the U.N., says he wants to be steadfast in battling terrorism," O'Reilly said on his radio show. "I'm sure all the U.N. people fell asleep. They don't really care about anything over there at all. I just wish Katrina had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else. Just flooded them out. And I wouldn't have rescued them."
After United Nations Foundation President Timothy Wirth asked O'Reilly to apologize, the talk-show host replied with an on-the-air primer on the radio biz:
"Well, apparently Tim Wirth has never listened to talk radio," O'Reilly said. "So I will speak very slowly to him. It was a jest, sir. We exaggerate on the radio.
"Wise up."
Efforts to reach O'Reilly through Fox News on Thursday were unsuccessful.
At least one liberal media watchdog group was offended by O'Reilly's Coit Tower remark. Media Matters for America President David Brock said, "He's encouraging terrorist attacks. It's over the top."
But isn't O'Reilly allowed the same type of latitude that liberals have said other entertainers should be afforded?
Shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, comedian Bill Maher was criticized by White House officials for saying, "We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly." Maher apologized, and his public hushing by the White House made him a favorite of Bush-bashers.
"Yes, there are people saying things like that, like Bill Maher and 'The Daily Show,' but if you look at O'Reilly, his show is presented as a 'no spin zone,' " Brock said. "People take it seriously."
Those people include Brock's group, which records every minute of O'Reilly's programs. Is that one of those entry-level jobs where you pay your dues?
"No," Brock said, "but maybe it should be.
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:36 pm
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I always admired Vlad Tepes' method of purging the sick and insane from his own country. He took these indigent people, gathered them into a huge building, presented them with a bountiful feast, then nailed the doors shut and burned it to the ground, thus alleviating the social strains of supporting people who contributed nothing to their community.
The Sick and Insane.
O'Riely qualifies as both, along with Robertson, Limbaugh, that blonde twat whatsherface, Jerry Springer, Rivera, and every other parasite bastard that thrives on perpetuating social conflict.
I'd be more than happy to chip in on a last supper for any/all of them.
Of course, I'm only joking. It's the internet, after all.
Wise up.
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:53 pm
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I hate O'Reilly...but I hate EVEN more that those LUNATIC fruity assses in SF don't want Law-abiding gun owners in their city...only criminals can have guns there now.
What a bunch of $#@#!!!!
Pol_pot, Hitler and MAO would be proud of San Fransicans.
It didn't even take the government to take its guns...the SHEEOPLE did it all themselves.
Baaaaaaaaaaaa..... The Governmnt will protect me...Bahhhhhhhhh......
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:05 am
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Actually, being gay (fruity?) has nothing to do with gun ownership. In fact, one of the major groups opposed to Prop H, Pink Pistols, is a gay gun owners organization. Many gay folks in SF want guns to protect against insane homophobes that would hurt them.
Washington DC and Chicago's gun bans were not enacted by gay people BTW.
As I said before, San Francisco is the most European city in the country. Euro cities (Except in Switzerland) have far less gun violence AND gun ownership than American cities.
I'm not saying guns are bad per say, and as a Left-Leaning Libertarian, the Second Amendment should be followed (as should the rest of the Constitution), but the Scandanavians especially have figured out to be a peaceful society.
So my questions are:
1) What makes America so Gun-Oriented?
2) Why is European artists and musicians so much creative than Americans?
3) why do they have 24 political parties in their countries?
4) Why did Europeans know Bush was a phoney from the beginning?
5) Why do the Europeans have no problems with stem celll research?
San Francisco has always defied pre-conceived notions. It was the first American city, more so than New Orleans, so embrace artists, musicians, Beats, Hippies, and Counter-Culture. Let's be realistic, somebody has to be the first onto the dance floor.
So, either San Francisco will join Washington DC and Chicago as crime rate increase cities, and all the gun owners are correct....or....it is the first American city to step into the model of Scandanavian cities and it's crime rate will go down.
We're watching....and waiting..... 
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:37 am
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Love the Carribean Stud photo.Let's hope he hasn't reproduced.Arm everyone in the country to the teeth.Weapons courses and refreshers every couple of years.Everyone should be proficient in hand guns ,shot guns,long rifles,and yes automatic weapons.Crime rate goes down and stays down.As far as a bad drug problem like Switzerland,HELLO ...hell we got that already.
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:00 am
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I can see pulling up to a toll booth and the collector and the driver have guns trained on each other.
Everyone armed is a paranoid society. This is why a creep like 50 Cent is ridiculously being compared to The Beatles, and even in movies, complete with bullet riddled limos, hoes hanging all over him, and making 10s of millions of dollars, by espousing gun violence.
As I said, whoever wants to own guns, go ahead. The Constitution protects that right. But, as I always am, I look at both sides. It is my ability. Even putting myself in Neo-Con supporter shoes at times. I believe one has to weigh both sides of an issue that has arguments that both make sense. Otherwise, you become close minded.
I'm expecting other posters to come at me "with guns blazing", but I have yet to hear from anyone what their vision of a future is society. Do we want to be Dodge City or do we want to be Helsinki?
Jimi Hendrix once said that Scandanavia was his favorite place.....He jammed constantly there, epsecially with Bo Hannson, and thought San Francisco was emulating the North Country.
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:26 am
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Everyone armed is a paranoid society. This is why a creep like 50 Cent is ridiculously being compared to The Beatles, and even in movies, complete with bullet riddled limos, hoes hanging all over him, and making 10s of millions of dollars, by espousing gun violence.
With the serious drug problem comes the paranoia.Or was it the other way around.50Cent is compared to the Beatles?WhoTF is 50Cent?Half bro to Dollar.  Swamp I ain't promoting50Cent or guns.There is someone really called50Cent? I have to get out of this cave more often.
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:32 am
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Being an American is suppose to bring the 'Freedom of Choice'. So, if the San Francisians want to preserve a more feminine atmosphere in their city. They should be respected and allowed to do that. Many gun owners are reclusive, which can bread paranoia. SF is a very social, group oriented society. 'Strength in numbers'. Gays and women have had to band together to protect each other.
There is room for everyone on this ship. I understand the need to protect oneself. I have only shot a 22 rifle once and it knocked me over as a teenager. I never really wanted to be involved with killing. And yet I appreciate that there are policeman and women and military persons who know how to protect. It's not for everyone.
There are alot of people who wouldn't know how to control that kind of power. Alot of innocents get effected by random gun use. Protect the borders of your terrotory but don't become trigger happy, shotting at anything that moves.
Automatic machine guns anyone.
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:33 am
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I didn't say you are advocating guns, Increase, and nothing is personal in what I'm posting. I'm just stating my opinion. My dad was a Policeman, and we had guns all over the place, and I simply wasn't interested. I was more interested in Music, TV, art, sports, school, and girls.
Oh, I forgot to mention, you can still have shotguns in your house in San Francisco. There is an increase in sales of those recently.
Man, 50 cent is f**king horrible. Music at it's de-evolutionary worst. This guy had 6 songs in the Top 10 at one time. It's not even good rap. Sex and Violence........Nothing More....Nothing Less......Definitely not The Art of Noise or Spooky Tooth. Drop in the Bucket crap......50 years from now no one will even know who he was.
http://www.50cent.com/
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:48 am
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Nothing personal .Never thought it wasSwamp..Just looking to get the juices fired up and get some good dialog going.Personally Libertarian is more my style.If you ain't hurting nobody else with whatever it is your doing,Then it's All Good.If you want guns,go get them.If you don't want guns, don't mess with people that do.And this goes for most evreything in life.Don't like dogs,don't have one,but don't bitch at the people that do.Life is too friggin short to be messing in everybodys business.You got that much free time, go volunteer at Habitat for Humanities or something. Thetaloops I like that first photo,kinda of a dominatrix for the NRA thing going on.
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