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PostTue Dec 09, 2003 12:54 am  Reply with quote  

This just came in yesterday from Clifford Carnicom, He is finding blue and red fibrils
in sore tooth / gum tissue
He explains his problem, proceedure, and shows photomicrographs.

UNUSUAL MEDICAL FINDING
Clifford E Carnicom - Dec 07 2003
http://www.carnicom.com/med1.htm


Also for reference see http://morgellons.org/



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double post~see below

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PostTue Dec 09, 2003 5:22 am  Reply with quote  

just a little "gravy" from the recent past
on top ik

credit to Clifford Carnicoms sight for the
wiggling shards of light photo posted here

Saved and transferred from Page 20:
Chemtrails 'Fibrils' ='UV Microfilaments'
pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtra...5144.topic

It won't format any better--sorry!
LKU


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Author: looookinup
(7/23/01 10:02:54 pm)
'Fibrils'='UV Microfilaments'

These very interesting observations were made by moondog, a chemistry
professor, who posted a lot here, then took over a year 'off'. Well, he's
back, hooray!-- and here is what HE has to say about those glowing blue UV
microfilaments.

(I also vote to call them 'fibrils' - the term seems to describe them
physically, according to moondog, and also gives an appropriately
mysterious, creepy, alien 'feel'. like 'tendrils'...LKU)

--------------- This are from two recent posts of moondog, buried on another
thread "Spotlights On the Planes" pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtra...5137.topic

<< Loookinup: The fibers do not appear to be textile. They are resistance to
concentrated HCl, H2SO4, and HNO3. Textiles, depending on the acid, will
dissolve if polyester or polyamide, although some are slow. All the ones
(textile) I tested that did fluoresce under UV lost their fluoresce
immediately in the acid because surface-applied dyes are very oxidation
sensative. The textile fibers all dissolved later, with cotton the slowest,
from what I recall. None of the textiles survived all three conc acids. The
fibers we are finding are virtually unchanged after days in acid, and they
do not lose fluorescence at all. Sounds sci-fi, but they may just be
polyethylene or polypropylene with a fluorescent dye in the extruded melt.
Very cheap, very common, but NOT textile, in general. Textiles use natural
fiber (dissolves slowly) or polyamide or polyester fiber (dissolves
quickly).

Polypropylene is used to make containers to store conc acids, in fact. Many
of the fibers have the little pearls in them down one side, like a normal
power cord with one side containing pebbles every three or four pebble
widths. Might be deliberately impregnated on one side only, might be just
the fragments we looked at. Don't know. I think others have gone farther
than I did a year ago, such as Gary. Haven't seen the fish-hooks [the 'new'
black ones that-PocoLoco described?] yet.>>

looookinup wrote: < microfilaments 'fibers'! They are NOT fibers. One look under a microscope
will confirm they have NOTHING TO DO with fibers--fibers/lint look like
dusty, twisted bundles of ropes under magnification-- and it discredits the
material because sheeple automatically assume "oh, lint". Lint NOT!

Manufactured, flattish, extruded, barbed, thorned, translucent,
electroreactive filaments completely invisible EXCEPT under long-tube
ultraviolet light.

Source, composition and purpose still completely unknown (by Us, anyhow.)

And, we each can probably pick at least one hundred off our skin, hair and
clothes using a blacklight.

(Is that motivation?) >>

moondog wrote: << When last left off, back in May 2000, they were called
fibers. To me filaments imply a known electrical usage, which may of course
be true. As a chemist, fiber just means long thin polymeric material,
anything from cellulose lint, such as cotton or wool, to polyester or
polyamide textile, to bucky tube "fibrils", which are microfibers with
conductive properties. A fishing line is a fiber. I didn't mean to "bundle"
it in with lint, although I would guess much of our lint IS these filaments.
I like the term fibrils as it implies a synthesized microfiber with
conductive properties.

Personally, after seeing the "storm" [the roiling amounts of particulate
matter visible at night with a highpower flashlight like a Q-Light] the
other night, I am inclined to believe that a welcome side effect of these
filaments is to cause micro hemoraging in the lungs, and the skin. They seem
to have a tendency to hook themselves into everything. A little hole and now
you are opened up to whatever they feel like hitting us with. Pure
speculation, but this is how silica and other fine particulate causes
problems in the lungs, like asbestos. These get in the lungs and cause
microscarring as the lung tissue tries to get rid of it. It isn't chemical,
just a physiological response to foreign particulate. These could, IMHO, do
the very same, especially since most are very tiny indeed.

I don't tend to think they are a marker for wind movement of possible
airborn spores or toxic dust...been going on too long for that, and is too
wide spread and constant.

Notice the new ads on TV for "Respiratory Distress Syndrome". Funny, that...

What they are made of? I do think they are polypropylene. Just cheap
hydrocarbon polymer. The beads in them? I haven't a clue. I feel like I have
done as much as I can do at this point with them, given my equipment and
chemicals and time. ID the beads and it will tell a lot. IDing the beads is
a major operation. How do you get them out of the filament, and how do you
get enough to run even sensative tests? I have no idea. IF you were able to
get a whole lot of them and get the beads out, you could use atomic
absorption to test for various metal cations, but that would imply it was
ionic, which I don't know, although I suspect, and it also would imply that
these are soluble salts, and if they are barium titanate, which was talked
about months ago, they are insoluble. And that kills any solution based ID.
This is a tough problem. Anything that dissolves polypropylene will almost
certainly effect everything in the filament, such as fluorescing dye and
beads. It is a tough problem, all round. Even if we had a pound of this
stuff, the resistance to acid makes it all but useless. Find a solvent for
polypropylene that is not acidic or basic, and I will do what I can, but
honestly I am stumped. Perhaps collecting a lot and then melting them,
dissolving the melt in an organic solvent, filtering, and collecting the
residue on the filter, which should be the beads! I don't have experience
much with polymers, so I don't know a good solvent, but probably very
non-polar will do it, like pet-ether. But the heat of the melt will just
vaporize and cool it back to the polymer. Well, I just got caught chasing my
tail (bark bark).

Interestingly, and along the topic of the fibrils, my friend was relatively
sure he saw morphological changes in them when they were in contact with
saliva! Can someone try to check this?

I unfortunately don't have the time right now...>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
moondog (7/24/01 7:35:02 pm)
fibrils

The term was, to my mind, first used in about 1992 when a new form of carbon
was discovered and synthesized: Buckminster fullerenes, after the famous
geodesic dome structure. Buck balls, as they are called, are dodecahedra of
carbon, like graphite sheets wrapped in a sphere. They can also be
synthesized as tubes, like graphite sheets wrapped into a long tube.
Graphite conducts due to its electron delocalization, and so it was thought
these tubes would conduct. They did. These were called "fibrils", and they
are very tiny...only about 20 atoms in width. Seemed like a good term to use
for these.

Tonight I spoke with my friend who did the saliva experiment, and he said
that the fibers, in saliva between two glass microscope slides, after about
a week changed. They sort of braided around each other, or else they
actually FORMED braids. He said he hasn't done it since, but that it was
very disturbing. He is not formally educated in science however, and it is
also possible that the slides slid over each other and twisted the fibrils.
He is pretty controlled about this sort of thing, however, but I would say
the jury is still out on this. Polypropylene or any hydrocarbon polymer
should do nothing whatsoever in any biological fluid, least of all saliva,
so so this raises questions. Someone needs to try this independently, I
think. Again, I don't have time for it this week.

BTW, this friend is also the one who thought of the lights on the planes,
and not only does he not care if he is arrested, I think he wants a
confrontation about these kites. Its a game to him, and he loves to play
with their heads. He has been on his roof for the last six nights or so
until very early morning, and let me tell you, he sounded terrible tonight
on the phone. Raspy, snorting and hacking up thick mucus. He said they blink
their lights back at them, and I don't doubt this, considering the obvious
responses Friday night. They know he is there. He also said that it looked
like they layed out a brown cloud at about 2000 ft which came right down on
him. And get this: there were lots of mosquitoes up on his roof! He said
they NEVER fly up there, but he got bit and good last night. I am hoping he
is ok, but it does raise even more questions, with possibly very unpleasant
answers. I think this guy would willingly die for this cause if he felt it
would lead to stopping all this. Let's hope, for all our sakes, that that
happens later rather than sooner. He is one of the bravest people I have
ever known.

Thanks for the gracious welcome-back, Loookinup. This is a very busy time
for me, but I am happy to add my $.02 worth. My antenna are up, however, and
I already sense some trouble. I'm sure my presence here is not going over
well with those that want to cause trouble and confusion. I am very pleased
with the dilligence of the core of people here, and on the sidelines. And
there are a lot on the sidelines, bless their hearts.

On a more negative note, I'm very suspicious of some here that I have been
noticing for some time now. Their faned politeness glows like a fibril. I
NEVER left, so it isn't as though I just met them and they can fool me
because I don't know them. Don't fool yourselves. And don't think that if I
leave I have stopped working on the problem at hand, or thinking about it,
or watching who is trying what devisive tactic. It's ALL part of the game we
are finding ourselves in right now. Chess, as it were. The question is: who
side are you on?

Saw a set of two trails today in a perfect "SS", just like the Nazi symbol,
with sharp S's. Don't know how they did it, but it made me shiver.

never fear
under vine is here
click click click
into the void
the nsa gaspz
con troll ing mother of all ops

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PostTue Dec 16, 2003 6:20 pm  Reply with quote  

These pics sent from Larry Meyer.

Note materials are dissimilar. 200x, illumination from below.

Fibrils 12-11-03 A


It's still with us. These were collected today. Photo at 200x, illumination from below. Note the segmented structure at the right and the flattened bluish fibril at left of center.

Fibrils 12-11-03 B 200x


60x, illumination from below.

Fibrils 12-11-03 C 60x
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PostTue Dec 16, 2003 6:35 pm  Reply with quote  

Lots of debris on your floors eh Larry?

"This is sweepings from the kitchen floor; it's not all dog hair!

200x, illuminated from below.

Back in the "early days" I showed the local hospital similar but fluorescent material on the lab countertop and on the ER floor. They were only interested in how fast they could get me out of the building. The Respiratory Dept couldn't be bothered. Next I showed the local Head Start people what was in the carpet the children were crawling around on; I was asked to leave. Hope our audience here is a little more receptive. I do wish we would get more feedback. Coast to Coast last night may have opened a few more eyes. Hope it's not too late."

12-12-03-A Kitchen Floor Debris


200x, illumunation from below.

12-12-03-B Kitchen Floor Debris


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PostWed Dec 31, 2003 1:21 am  Reply with quote  

Cann't see much reason to beat this dead horse. If Senior Member halva is correct, and I suspect he is, there are 10 million tons of this material above us. Guess we better focus on filters, cleaning agents (It would be nice to know of a release agent) and health related information.
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PostWed Dec 31, 2003 1:48 am  Reply with quote  

These pictures were recently sent to me from Larry Meyer. It may not be raining cats and dogs, but fibrils are raining down on cats and dogs!

"Even our pets are suffering. Black fine comb with cathair and fibrils."

12.27.03a Feline


12.27.03b Feline 200x


Segmented brownish objects are cat hair.
12.27.03c Feline 200x


12.27.03d Feline 200x
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PostWed Dec 31, 2003 2:08 am  Reply with quote  

"Looks like the family dog is in trouble too!"

12.28.03a Canine 60x


12.28.03b Canine 60x


"?????"
12.28.03c Canine 200x


"Study this one carefully."
12.28.03d Canine 200x



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12.28.03e Canine 200x


"Look familar? I think so."
12.28.03f Canine 200x


12.28.03g Canine 200x


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PostMon May 03, 2004 8:33 am  Reply with quote  

i have this old dog trixie
oh well after the fibers, she don't featch so well
can't get to her feet no more
i got this feeling my nation is gone
mixing up with alien type and rif
like we never want to meet
govern nators and pre sidants
of vice and less
got to go fore truth comes near
see you soon and harppy new year reserectionthe bubbling broke of the mis mash they claim
homelands broken mutants walk
paying taxes and all shut up inside
nothing left of inflation
forgive me if i intrude
life springs from the crack in the side walk
again
it matters but all asleep[[[
i sign off and in


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The Cotton worm subject PostMon Dec 13, 2004 11:59 pm  Reply with quote  

I found these three topics over in the Health section and since they all
are on fibrils, and I had missed them before, I thought I would link them over to here.
If anyone knows of other threads that would cross link to this subject
please put a link here.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7527

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7534

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7242
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PostMon Dec 27, 2004 6:20 pm  Reply with quote  

This is very intersting. I've been noticing (and photographing) chemtrails in the Dallas area over the past 5 days.

If this is what me and my loved ones ae breathing in (grandmother spent her last 10 year as a sever ashtmatic, not able to leave the house, she died from empysema and congenital heart failure) im goign to be really pissed.

Not to mention the rest of the world when this finaly comes out.

Who should i call in my area to report these sighting? Or will i most lieky be laughed at like everyone else ive tried to get to look up.
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delusional parasitoseis PostSun Feb 13, 2005 6:37 am  Reply with quote  

the "sky" is "blue"...
http://www.foxreno.com/news/4170085/detail.html
Mystery Illness Baffles Doctors; Frustrates Patients

POSTED: 7:43 pm PST February 6, 2005
UPDATED: 8:03 pm PST February 7, 2005

SAUSALITO -- Is an unknown disease hitting the Bay Area or is it just a case of mass delusion? If you ask intensive care nurse Cindy Casey she'll tell you that the mystery disease is very real and very painful.


Mystery Illiness
Video On Demand: Segment 2: Mysterious Parasite Strikes Local Residents (Part 2)
Mysterious Parasite Striking Bay Area Residents (Part 1)
The Inside Information On Morgellons Disease



Casey is one of at least 150 Bay Area residents battling the illness that is characterized by lesions and strange string-like fibers.

Video


Video On Demand: Health And Science Editor John Fowler Updates The Mystery Illness Story




"It sounds really strange, it's kind of understandable why people don't believe us, because it sounds so weird," Casey said. "The lesions start out as bumps that are itchy, little round raised bumps. The fibers are quite alarming."

When she turned to doctors for help, her frustrations began to mount. Casey said dermatologists at her own hospital suggested she was mentally ill.

"It sounds so bizarre to them that they take the quick way out and say this can't be, you've got to be delusional or making this up," she said.

Susan Bishop of Santa Rosa has a similar story.

"It's the overall pain I have every day, my joints hurt," she said. "

For some, the pain and frustration simply gets to be too much. That was the case, friends and family say, for Dillon King of Soquel. Last month, friends and family eulogized the 37-year-old former medical assistant after he committed suicide.

"It was really so depressing the hardest thing was seeing him just get worse all the time," said Wendy Augason, King's mother.

King's fiancée -- Elizabeth Strong -- says she's certain he picked up some kind of weird infection and that she's now beginning to show the same symptoms.

"It started as a small sore and kept spreading," she said. "I had doctors tell me that basically, it was delusional, then because it was the two of us with it we were feeding on each other, and egging each other on."

KTVU broke this story last year and now we've learned more than 1,200 people nationwide say they have the same skin lesions and bizarre fibers. Ironically, most are in the medical profession. Adults as well as children have it and it may be contagious.

Evidence is beginning to mount linking this syndrome to Lyme Disease from tick bites.

"The population of people with Lyme Disease believe this is another infection that travels with the Lyme organism," said Dr. Jennifer Choate, a hematologist who helped treat Dillon. "It makes sense because it is in that group we are seeing this pattern."

Marin microbiologist Jenny Haverty has also be studying the mystery malady.

"I accepted specimens from four different people in four different counties in the Bay Area, and I looked at them very carefully over and over again under the microscope," she said. "The colors and shapes of the fibers of each individual were very, very similar."

Tests on similar fibers taken from Bishop's skin and those of several other patients in the Bay Area show them to be tiny tubes of protein. But how and why the filaments are formed remains a mystery for now.
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PostSat Feb 19, 2005 2:08 pm  Reply with quote  

QUOTE:

<< Loookinup: The fibers do not appear to be textile. They are resistance to
concentrated HCl, H2SO4, and HNO3. Textiles, depending on the acid, will
dissolve if polyester or polyamide, although some are slow. All the ones
(textile) I tested that did fluoresce under UV lost their fluoresce
immediately in the acid because surface-applied dyes are very oxidation
sensative. The textile fibers all dissolved later, with cotton the slowest,
from what I recall. None of the textiles survived all three conc acids. The
fibers we are finding are virtually unchanged after days in acid, and they
do not lose fluorescence at all. Sounds sci-fi, but they may just be
polyethylene or polypropylene with a fluorescent dye in the extruded melt.
Very cheap, very common, but NOT textile, in general. Textiles use natural
fiber (dissolves slowly) or polyamide or polyester fiber (dissolves
quickly).
Polypropylene is used to make containers to store conc acids, in fact. Many
of the fibers have the little pearls in them down one side, like a normal
power cord with one side containing pebbles every three or four pebble
widths. Might be deliberately impregnated on one side only, might be just
the fragments we looked at. Don't know. I think others have gone farther
than I did a year ago, such as Gary. Haven't seen the fish-hooks [the 'new'
black ones that-PocoLoco described?] yet.>
-------------

SmT- Well, if J. Phelps (that posts here) is correct, (as I understand it) these "little pearls" are titanium bonded into the polymer fiber to create a material that will stay aloft for along time, continue to reflect IR back into space longer (mitigate warming), and possible even scrub fluoride from the air.(or possibly barium?)
___________________________________________________

QUOTE:

looookinup wrote: <<But, with all due respect, pleeease stop calling these
microfilaments 'fibers'! They are NOT fibers. One look under a microscope
will confirm they have NOTHING TO DO with fibers--fibers/lint look like
dusty, twisted bundles of ropes under magnification-- and it discredits the
material because sheeple automatically assume "oh, lint". Lint NOT!

Manufactured, flattish, extruded, barbed, thorned, translucent,
electroreactive filaments completely invisible EXCEPT under long-tube
ultraviolet light.

ALSO QUOTE:

moondog wrote:
What they are made of? I do think they are polypropylene. Just cheap
hydrocarbon polymer. The beads in them? I haven't a clue. I feel like I have
done as much as I can do at this point with them, given my equipment and
chemicals and time. ID the beads and it will tell a lot. IDing the beads is
a major operation. How do you get them out of the filament, and how do you
get enough to run even sensative tests? I have no idea. IF you were able to
get a whole lot of them and get the beads out, you could use atomic
absorption to test for various metal cations, but that would imply it was
ionic, which I don't know, although I suspect, and it also would imply that
these are soluble salts, and if they are barium titanate, which was talked
about months ago, they are insoluble. And that kills any solution based ID.
This is a tough problem. Anything that dissolves polypropylene will almost
certainly effect everything in the filament, such as fluorescing dye and
beads. It is a tough problem, all round. Even if we had a pound of this
stuff, the resistance to acid makes it all but useless. Find a solvent for
polypropylene that is not acidic or basic, and I will do what I can, but
honestly I am stumped. Perhaps collecting a lot and then melting them,
dissolving the melt in an organic solvent, filtering, and collecting the
residue on the filter, which should be the beads! I don't have experience
much with polymers, so I don't know a good solvent, but probably very
non-polar will do it, like pet-ether. But the heat of the melt will just
vaporize and cool it back to the polymer.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SmT- If the beads are indeed platinum I would think there would be a simple test to identify that. An ICP perhaps could determine any metal content regardless of the polymers attached.

Probably though, there is a simple chemical experiment that could detect (react) with platinum, but I am unfamiliar with what that might be. Perhaps research is in order.

One thing I was wondereing about is if the fibrils do 'glow' and appear 'exited' by UV light, that would supposedly fit right in with the notion that blacklight is used routinely to find and indicate the presence of titanium, or so I've heard here (again sourcing JP).

SmT
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New TV Investigative reports PostMon Feb 21, 2005 9:29 pm  Reply with quote  

There is some very new (in the last few days) TV investigative Reports from CBS and Fox on this issue here, you will have to link from the morgellons site to watch the TV reports, they load fairly quickly, the TV link from Reno NV is now down, but new links from Florida are UP
see the link site here.

http://www.morgellons.org/Media.html


Television Coverage
KTVU - San Francisco, CA
Mar. 1, 2004 - Video Text Only
Feb. 6, 2005 - Text & Video Link

WTEV - Jackonsville, FL
Feb. 7, 2005 (Part 1) - Text & Video Link
Feb. 8, 2005 (Part 2) - Text & Video Link
Feb. 9, 2005 (Part 3) - Text & Video Link
Feb. 10, 2005 (Part 4) - Text & Video Link

WOAI - San Antonio, TX
Feb. 11, 2005 - Text & Video Link

KXAN - Austin, TX
Oct. 7, 2004 - Text & Video Link

KVUE - Austin, TX
Nov. 9, 2004 - Text & Video Link

KBCI - Boise, ID
May 18, 2004 - (Part 1) Text Only
May 19, 2004 - (Part 2) Text Only
May 20, 2004 - (Part 3) Text Only


Newspaper Articles

Reno Gazette-Journal - Reno, NV
May 8, 2004 - (Part 1)
May 8, 2004 - (Part 2)
May 8, 2004 - (Part 4)
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